This may come off as more of a vent, but I see white new grads, some with less nursing and healthcare education than myself, getting jobs, some of them highly coveted specialties. Yet here I am, with a BSN, magna cum laude, three years health care experience, new grad getting pushed aside. I interview well, but apparently not good enough. I am starting to feel bitter and can't help but wonder if my race might play a role. Other black new grads (BSNs too) are having a much harder time getting a job than white new grads.
Any black nurses want to comment on this phenomenon?
I am starting to look outside of my state, but I am not sure where to start. Preferably a place that is diverse.
I know the south can be hit or miss, but Atlanta is a great city to live in. Diversity is dominant here. Historically oppressed groups of people (minorities, LGBTQ community, etc.) have a strong presence in the city and some surrounding areas, which is nice.
Yikes, that sounds like a nightmare!!!! lol For, real - I have watched TimeToKill - so I am imagining that's pretty much the town you're describing. lol Why would I want to live there, when I can live in Los Angeles County? That sounds terrifying. That just may be the military brat/NewEnglander in me. Or I like my racism insidious, instead of abrupt and unfiltered.
Why are you so fired up about a situation that doesn't really affect you, because you don't view our experiences the way we do?
It's okay that you don't view what we experience for what it is... You really don't think this is something we'd love to look back and realize we were totally off base? lol
My town is a dump and I'm moving for that reason as well as the racial issues here.
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I have a friend who has applied for many jobs. Not the stuff you did but actual hour long resume/test type applications. He has yet to find a job and he has 3 years of experience. I on the other hand applied for one job and landed it in 2 weeks. There is just sometimes no accounting for things. I really doubt your race or color or name or whatever are the factor here.
Oh, I completed some hour+ long online assessments as part of the application process. You're exceptionally talented at minimizing the experiences of others, might be rooted in envy - you're very focused on what goes on in the lives of others. Very peculiar.
Sure. Never said it was always about race... I guess you missed that;)
I don't think we would have a way of knowing if someone isn't hiring us due to color because the discrimination of today is subtle. So subtle that people like to pretend it doesn't exist. You know others see us as whining "poor me I'm black, the world owes me everything because I'm black" and will more or less minimize our experience.
I've not had any issues getting jobs as a black nurse, I live in the south.
Easier said than done but don't let it get you down. Keep going, don't compare to others. Try networking if you haven't already. Many people get jobs because of knowing someone on the inside.
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Another example is the big law suit that is going on in Texas right now. There is a girl who is suing a large university. The state has a rule that the top 10% of high school seniors - irregardless of color - have guaranteed admittance to the state universities, as long as they have enough seats. By that I mean colleges have a cap on the number of students they can admit every year based on teachers, space etc.
Anyway, the girl had a very high GPA which should have guaranteed her admittance, however she was not admitted, and later found that other students who had lower GPAs, but were minorities, were admitted. The case has moved to the Supreme Court.
I live in Texas. The 10 percent rule is color-blind and not race-based, believe it or not. Any high school senior whose grade point average places him/her within the top 10 percent of the school's graduating class is guaranteed admission to a state university.
Therefore, Jane (hypothetical student who attends high school in a wealthy section of north Dallas) graduates with a 3.8 GPA, but since her classmates are high performers from educated homes, her GPA does not place her in the top 10 percent of her graduating class. At best, she's in the top 25 percent, so she's not guaranteed admission to a state university under the rule.
However, John (hypothetical student who attends high school in a poverty-stricken town in the Rio Grande Valley of South Texas) graduated with a 3.5 GPA, which places him in the top 10 percent of his graduating class because very few of his classmates are high achievers from educated homes. In fact, a majority of his classmates are ESL learners who are not enrolled in college prep courses. Therefore, John is guaranteed admission to a state university under the 10 percent rule.
The hypothetical student in the first scenario would have been granted admission under the 10 percent rule if she had earned her 3.8 GPA at a less competitive high school with lower-performing classmates.
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I can't believe how anyone can deny the existence of white privilege.
I think what people are reacting to is the term and how it is used it is used to demonize a whole race. The words white privilege suggest a negative connotation that the white person is guilty of. The stray white male or female on the street did not create white privilege but they are being demonized, for something that many on this thread say that they do not even realize that they have.....
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I live in Texas. The 10 percent rule is color-blind and not race-based, believe it or not. Any high school senior whose grade point average places him/her within the top 10 percent of the school's graduating class is guaranteed admission to a state university.
Therefore, Jane (hypothetical student who attends high school in a wealthy section of north Dallas) graduates with a 3.8 GPA, but since her classmates are high performers from educated homes, her GPA does not place her in the top 10 percent of her graduating class. At best, she's in the top 25 percent, so she's not guaranteed admission to a state university under the rule.
However, John (hypothetical student who attends high school in a poverty-stricken town in the Rio Grande Valley of South Texas) graduated with a 3.5 GPA, which places him in the top 10 percent of his graduating class because very few of his classmates are high achievers from educated homes. In fact, a majority of his classmates are ESL learners who are not enrolled in college prep courses. Therefore, John is guaranteed admission to a state university under the 10 percent rule.
The hypothetical student in the first scenario would have been granted admission under the 10 percent rule if she had earned her 3.8 GPA at a less competitive high school with lower-performing classmates.
Hmmm,
[h=2]Supreme Court[/h] "On February 21, 2012, the court granted certiorari in Fisher v. University of Texas at Austin......
The case was on the Supreme Court calendar for the term beginning in October 2012.Some concerns were expressed that if the Court overruled, it would likely end affirmative action at public universities in the United States. Some argued that the result of such a ruling would decrease the number of black and Hispanic students admitted to American universities while increasing the proportion of white and Asian students."
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I live in Texas. The 10 percent rule is color-blind and not race-based, believe it or not. Any high school senior whose grade point average places him/her within the top 10 percent of the school's graduating class is guaranteed admission to a state university.
Therefore, Jane (hypothetical student who attends high school in a wealthy section of north Dallas) graduates with a 3.8 GPA, but since her classmates are high performers from educated homes, her GPA does not place her in the top 10 percent of her graduating class. At best, she's in the top 25 percent, so she's not guaranteed admission to a state university under the rule.
However, John (hypothetical student who attends high school in a poverty-stricken town in the Rio Grande Valley of South Texas) graduated with a 3.5 GPA, which places him in the top 10 percent of his graduating class because very few of his classmates are high achievers from educated homes. In fact, a majority of his classmates are ESL learners who are not enrolled in college prep courses. Therefore, John is guaranteed admission to a state university under the 10 percent rule.
The hypothetical student in the first scenario would have been granted admission under the 10 percent rule if she had earned her 3.8 GPA at a less competitive high school with lower-performing classmates.
Thanks for breaking that down, on it's face it sounds like reverse discrimination.
Glad it isn't like that here in California. Both my schools are fully paid for (non-race based assistance). As previous posters mentioned, all those sexy scholarships are for folk going to specific schools and last I checked, California had no HBCUs.
This is a great thread.
I wish the OP well, and hope she knows that something great is on the horizon.
Specializes in Management, Med/Surg, Clinical Trainer.
Jane (hypothetical student who attends high school in a wealthy section of north Dallas) graduates with a 3.8 GPA, but since her classmates are high performers from educated homes, her GPA does not place her in the top 10 percent of her graduating class. At best, she's in the top 25 percent, so she's not guaranteed admission to a state university under the rule.
However, John (hypothetical student who attends high school in a poverty-stricken town in the Rio Grande Valley of South Texas) graduated with a 3.5 GPA, which places him in the top 10 percent of his graduating class because very few of his classmates are high achievers from educated homes. In fact, a majority of his classmates are ESL learners who are not enrolled in college prep courses. Therefore, John is guaranteed admission to a state university under the 10 percent rule.
The hypothetical student in the first scenario would have been granted admission under the 10 percent rule if she had earned her 3.8 GPA at a less competitive high school with lower-performing classmates.
The rule, as you know, is Top 10% of their schools graduating class; this is well known to the students.
I had a friend whose daughter had a GPA of 3.92, but for her school that was only in the top 25%. She knew she was not guaranteed admission and went to Baylor instead. Not really a step down.
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Thanks for breaking that down, on it's face it sounds like reverse discrimination.
This is a great thread.
I wish the OP well, and hope she knows that something great is on the horizon.
The issue is that there are only so many seats to be had. If the Freshman class can hold 2,000 students and there are 2,500 who qualify for Top 10% from their schools how does the school decide? That was the crux of the law suit; she claimed they were top 10% but they tossed race in without informing them.
Mind you, I suspect her beef was this meant she thought she would go to an in state school and may not have applied elsewhere....why would she if she was guaranteed admission and that is where she wanted to go? Right.
But once she was NOT admitted, how does she go back in time and apply to the good colleges...who app period closed 6 months previous.
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The issue is that there are only so many seats to be had. If the Freshman class can hold 2,000 students and there are 2,500 who qualify for Top 10% from their schools how does the school decide? That was the crux of the law suit; she claimed they were top 10% but they tossed race in without informing them.
Mind you, I suspect her beef was this meant she thought she would go to an in state school and may not have applied elsewhere....why would she if she was guaranteed admission and that is where she wanted to go? Right.
But once she was NOT admitted, how does she go back in time and apply to the good colleges...who app period closed 6 months previous.
Point taken. You can't go back in time and formulate options for an outcome you didn't anticipate.
I can see how that policy is going to negatively affect segments of the population and can definitely empathize.
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I know the south can be hit or miss, but Atlanta is a great city to live in. Diversity is dominant here. Historically oppressed groups of people (minorities, LGBTQ community, etc.) have a strong presence in the city and some surrounding areas, which is nice.