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:idea: Hi I am one of those pre-nursing students in Colorado. I finished all the pre-requsits. As you know, there are some changes how to get in to the nursing program here in Colorado. (Have you heard of it ? If not, you need to contact your nursing department.. I have heard this from other students and called my nursing department the other day)

Now we need to compete with other people based on GPA, Previous degree, CNA certification, TEAS test..goes on.. they are putting all the points together and higer points get in first. However, the waiting list will be still there!:angryfire I was a litte upset because that means, we can't apply other school and if there are "higer points" students, you are just stuck. yes, they will send you letter saying "you are not accepted this semester" (that's what I understood) Even thou I think it is a good idea to accept smart students and make them comepete all that.. but WHY DO THEY STILL HAVE WAITING LIST? I guess I am the only one who is mad haha... :bugeyes:

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What did they say at the meeting? Did you go to the PPCC one? What about their military priority? How does it effect those of us spouse who are suppose to get a bump on the wait list cause we are military spouses? :nurse:

Was your post to me??? If so I am going to the orientation this Monday. It's for Front Range Community College-Larimer I have never heard of any priority for military spouses but we don't have any bases close by here either. Where I lived in WA was a huge Military Area and they never would mention it there either. But if I here anything important on Monday I will let y'all know.

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I am in California, the BSN program I am in does the same thing, but we knew about it. They have a waiting list but it is an alternative list. The top students are picked first and then those who do not have as high as points are put on the alternative list. If there are people that were chosen first that do not want their spot then people on the alternative list get a spot. After the class starts the list is wiped out and anyone still on the alternative list has to re-apply. Personally, I worked by butt of to get straight A's, medical experience, TEAS score, ect to get a high rank because I also applied to a program that didn't use a ranking system and would have been on the wait list two years had I not got into the acceptance by rank program that I am in right now. Everyone that started with me is graduating with me. A friend of mine that go into the other program but was lucky enough not to get on the waiting list said he had people failing out the first semester, I suspect because there were the lower grade students (program only required 2.5 GPA to get your name in the lotto).

There are about 3 people in my class of 44 that were on the alternative list and got in. Its possible.

I do think it is unfair to give priority to those that already have a degree. If anything they should have less priority because they can get a job with their degree, and if not then its their fault for not getting a degree that is worth something, you don't have a degree at all and need one...IMO

That is a good point, I hadn't thought about it like that.

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oh okay... Yes Pikes Peak Community College has a Military wait list where we are suppose to get a shorter wait / priority on since we are possibly here for limited time.... course with the new procedures I don't know how that effects it... I'm a little disappointed in the change but it is what it is... I'll just probably never get in......... Teaching is starting to look better and better :(

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Don't assume that what happens at your school is a "state" thing. I have never seen "state" guidelines for getting into a nursing programs...it varies by school.

State and federal funding is very, very precious right now. They have let tons of students into my nursing program that never should have been admitted...and they flunked out early on.

The nursing department is only trying to admit students who are very, very committed, can show good signs of potential success, etc.

They want to make sure that their graduation rate is a good one.

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State and federal funding is very, very precious right now. They have let tons of students into my nursing program that never should have been admitted...and they flunked out early on.

The nursing department is only trying to admit students who are very, very committed, can show good signs of potential success, etc.

Exactly! :nurse: I have a Nurse/Educator friend, and she told me the very same thing---almost word for word. Plus--high failure rate in 1st year Nursing makes the school look bad.

As to people having a degree, and being able to get a job with the degree---that depends on the degree. I know a woman with an Ethnic Studies degree-----no job at all, not a single job offer in the year since she graduated. She's applied everywhere, and some places, she shouldn't have applied.

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They should have been doing this from day one, only the best of the best, I couldnt believe the idiots that got into the program with me, and yes of course they failed first semester (8 of them), also they should interview each student prior to acceptance, goodbye waitlist! thank god!

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Having a 4.0 GPA does not mean you will be the best nurse. It means you have good grades, their is a lot more to nursing than a GPA.

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Having a 4.0 GPA does not mean you will be the best nurse. It means you have good grades, their is a lot more to nursing than a GPA.

I understand, but if you cant get top notch grades in the easy pre-req classes then you probably wont do well in nursing school, you can always be a CNA, the world needs ditch diggers to.

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I understand, but if you cant get top notch grades in the easy pre-req classes then you probably wont do well in nursing school, you can always be a CNA, the world needs ditch diggers to.

That's not true at all, I have met very good nurses that got B's and C's in school. I have met many straight A nurses that had the personality of a rock and shouldn't have been dealing with live patients. Just because something is easy for you doesn't mean it is for everyone else. everyone is an individual and if they manage to make it through nursing school and pass the NCLEX exam they must not be to stupid. Some people have the subjects they breeze through and ones they struggle with more and don't make A's in. It's a pretty big assumption to make that unless you make top notch grades you won't make it or be good at it.

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That's not true at all, I have met very good nurses that got B's and C's in school. I have met many straight A nurses that had the personality of a rock and shouldn't have been dealing with live patients. Just because something is easy for you doesn't mean it is for everyone else. everyone is an individual and if they manage to make it through nursing school and pass the NCLEX exam they must not be to stupid. Some people have the subjects they breeze through and ones they struggle with more and don't make A's in. It's a pretty big assumption to make that unless you make top notch grades you won't make it or be good at it.

I hear what you are saying, but nursing is a very important part of healthcare and only letting top students in is a good decision, why dont medical schools let in 2.2 GPA students? There is a reason, because those with a 3.6 GPA do better, only 30% of those who apply to med school get in, and now its going to be the same way for nursing, good choice colorado state board of nursing.

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You know, if you were talking about C-,D students I could agree more. Part of nursing is personality and part is book smarts. So if you are below average on the book smarts part than that can obviously be a big problem. If you are below average on the personality part, it might not cause a problem when it comes to you maybe giving a medical dosage but it can be a problem in the kind of care that person is receiving on an emotional level when they are already at a high level stress time as it is.

I got C's (2.6 and 2.7) in my A and P classes in WA, here in CO those would be 2.0's because they have a different grading system here. I struggled with those classes for a factor of reasons, I did well in English (ironically since my grammar skills are below par and some spelling) 4.0's in Psych and Sociology, I got a B in Micro, (within 10 points of an A) and so far have a 126% in my 3 credit nutrition class and a B in Patho. Here in CO like I said, there is only 4.0, 3.0 and 2.0. So all together since I don't have my Patho and Nutrition done yet my Cumulative GPA would not be very high. It was enough to get into the Nursing Program, which I start in August, here they require a 2.5 GPA to get in which would be a C, but I have no doubt I will do well in Nursing School and be a wonderful nurse, I would even bet a large sum of money that I even become a better nurse than some of those 4.0 student.

There are many factors that go into being a good nurse, and while I will agree that the grades one can achieve will be a part of it, but not near all of it. There are many factors. I would support a 3.0 Min. to be put on the waitlist, maybe, but I think the 2.5 is good or even maybe a 2.8 so you would have to have basically a C+ average in that case.

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Oh and as far as medical students, the High GPA is good sure, but I think that also might be why so many Doctors are so damn cold and impersonal. (not all but majority of the ones I have ever met) they have such crappy personalities. Given the nature of their job, I rather them lack a personality and be really good at what they do, but that is why we have nurses, to give that more personal touch among other things.

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