Atkins Diet

Agnus · Dec 2, 2002

Here is the original recipe. I will leave it to you who are more experienced with Atkins to make the needed changes. I really think you should try it in it's original form first so you can see how it is supposed to turn out.

Heat oven to 275 degrees. Butter a 9 inch spring-form pan. Dust bottom and sides with a mixture of 1/2 cup fine zwieback or grahm cracker crumbs, 1 Tbsp. sugar and 1/4 tsp. each cinnamon and nutmeg. Pour filling (below) into prepared pan. Bake 70 minutes. Turn off oven and leave in 1 hour. without opening oven door. Remove from oven and cool.

Now this is optional arrange fresh or frozen strawberries on top of completly cool cake. then mix the liquid from the frozen berries or some strawberry syrup, and 1 forth cup sugar (less if using strawberry syrup) with enough water to make 1 cup. Add 2 tbsp of corn starch and cook until thickened. When cool pour over fruit and refrigerate until set. You can easily alter this topping so you are not using sugar and corn starch. Some unflavored jello without sugar would do and use an atrificial sweetner. (your really don't need a whole forth cup sugar anyway) As I said the toping is optional because the cake is the best. VERY moist and Light in Texture. Had people who absolutely HATE cheese cake rave about it. Cheese cake lovers swoon.

OK back to recipe

5 eggs separated (I can hear a joke here)

1 cup sugar

1 pound cream cheese room temp.

1 cup commercial sour cream

2 tsp. flour

1 tsp vanilla

Beat egg yolks until thick and lemon-colored. Gradually beat in sugar. Break up cream cheese; add to egg mixture beating until smooth. Add sour cream, flour and vanilla; continue beating until smooth. Beat egg whites until stiff but not dry. Gently fold into cheese mixture.

I prefer no slamming doors, earth quakes etc until the cake is fianally refrigerated. But I find it does settle some no matter what, and this does not effect it adversely.

If you try it and then find a good way to alter it to make it Atkins acceptable without drastically changing quality let me know.

I will not alter it and keep it just for special occasions as it works so well as it is. After all we can cheat once on special occasions can't we? Maby someone will re***ure me that the 1 cup of sugar divided up into individual slices of cake is not so much carb?

Agnus · Dec 2, 2002

FLO1216

The book addresses gout which like kidney stones is from crystalized uric acid. Atkins is honest and straight forward about these things. Read the book.

SMAG 16

refering to your original post

THANK YOU for the very good explaination. I recall learning this in school but you know somehow all that gets lost, because none of it was really drawn into a whole picuture. I think thats what happened to the medical community and the dietitions. We know this stuff. It is not new. But it is complex and so we oversimplified and desided just don't eat fat.

thanks for drawing it all together in a way that we can digest. (no pun intended)

We learnd isolated parts of a whole and never once was a compelte intergerated picture presented. Nor did we notice that this was happening.

I like your explaination using rancid oil. I can relate to that and it makes more sense.

Refering to later posts also thank didn't know about hamburger. Your a great lady and shame on the MDs one of the first things we learned in pharm is there is no such thing as a drug without side effects.

Tweety, BSN, RN · Dec 2, 2002

Thanks smag16 for the encourage to use my mind.

I have done quite a bit of mainstream reading on nutrition, but certainly not in-depth studies.

There is a lot of contradictory infomration out there.

You ask yourself what did Daniel Boone eat?

What to the people in Okanawa, Japan eat? (who have the longest life span on earth and virtually no heart disease) (who also eat a lot of soy)

What do the mediterraniean people eat? (Who have virtually no heart disease)

How about the French?

Very challenging. One research article says one thing, another says another. Thanks so much for the information and discussion.

I'll end this conversation now, and keep on reading and hope I'm not killing myself. LOL

smag16 · Dec 3, 2002

I am talking anthropology...way back!! What did they eat and what took them to their graves...take that look at their teeth..no cavities!!!

Your cheese cake sounds like mine!!

Take out the sugar and add DiabetiSweet...add Splenda...add 1/2 cup of each. Blending artifical sweeteners makes for a better "sweet" flavor.

I really don't think you will miss the flour, but it can be sub.by using EAS whey protein powder from WalMart... make sure it's the one that is very low carb..use the vanilla flavor.

Over at the site that I posted about the recipes you will find more cheesecake recipes than you can shake a stick at!! We eat cheese cake nearly every week!! As a matter of fact I have two nice slices of yellow sheet cake defrosting in the kitchen right now awaiting the moment when DH gets in from work this evening...Can we say candle light dessert?!?!? They are iced with Hershey's own recipe for chocolate icing .. just subbed out the sugar for powdered maltitol and used real..honest to goodness BUTTER!!! The recipe is on the side of the cocoa canister.

Serve your cheesecake with1/3 cup cherry pie filling...Lucky Leaf has sugar free cherry pie filling...1/3 cup has only 8gms. carbs. It tastes just like the sugar kind!! It's good on SF ice cream too!!

For our crusts for cheese cakes, there are a kizillion things to use.. pecans are WONDERFUL!! So are crushed hazelnuts!! We also have various cookies and crackers ...the sweet ones crushed with add a pinch of cinnimon ...your usual taste and mouth feel!! We serve these treats to our guests all the time and no one can tell!!!

Heck we even eat chocolate eclaires!! Everything you could ever want to eat is on this site...FREE!! Read a book..drink water...and snag our recipes!

As to....

"What to the people in Okanawa, Japan eat? (who have the longest life span on earth and virtually no heart disease) (who also eat a lot of soy)

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Think genetics here!!!

And who would want to live forever..all your friends and relatives would die and you would not have anyone with which you had anything in common...something else to think aobut! And just think about all the learning that you would have to do just to keep up with the culture....no one would have been raised like you were! Wouldn't value what you valued!

Next thing... there is much faulty science in the 'what do these modern day cultures eat" business. You MUST look much deepr into the study that was made..who paid for it..who sponsered it?

Did they have the outcome in mind before the experiment?

How did they look into what these people were eating"

How long did they 'study" it?

Is it repeatable?

How long have Asians been eating soy as a food product?( Hint.. they only used to use it for making soy sauce. )

Soy anything is brand spaking new....considering how long man has roam'd the earth!! See MONEY here!!!

One must look at the data closely...ask the questions!! Answer them for yourself!!

IF Adkins isn't working for you...try The Zone...modify it til you lose the wieght. If you are only wanting to eat heathier... use Adkins and add low glycemic veg. and fruits. .

Remember..this isn't a prison sentence...it's a life choice. When you have to make a decision, you educate yourself! Now get going!!! You don't think about what you can't eat... you think about what you CAN eat!!

ARE sugar and starches THAT important to you that you can't sub them out with something else just as good?

smag16 · Dec 3, 2002

Angus....

I graduated from a 3 year dipl. nsg sch. back in '63...the patient was the most important person in the hospital... this was drummed into our heads for those 3 years...many 12 hour shifts on top of classes back then! Things were designed to give dignity to the patient ALWAYS...."Mr. and Mrs. So and So" ALWAYS!!

As student nurses we were also taught to know MORE than the doc as your job was to save his scrawney orifice!!! We were expected to know more than the folks in the pharmacy too!!

We were asked to think through things like...What if the surgeon dropped dead in the OR....or fainted (see small hospital in rural area back in the 60's) no residents...no interns...you are circulator...you're the one that is ultimately in charge of that OR ...what now? You were expected to be able to finish the surgery for the doc!! So pay attention to what he is doing ...you may have to do it one day! I had surgeons allow me to do appendectomies...start to finish. I have reduced many a broken arm or leg and applied the cast.

Things are very different today! What changed it? Money! Law suits and MONEY! Political Correctness changed it too!!

The doctors are handicapped by insurance and centure to not step out of line in treatments.

Any change in medicine, like hand washing, for instance, was met with derision and scorn!

Sterile technique? Why who ever heard of such a thing?

Remember, "If it 'ain't growin', it's dying!" (This applies to us as well as to plants!!)

As as I was head RN in the RR ..."If it "ain't" breathin' there's no use in doin' anything else for it!!"

smag16 · Dec 3, 2002

This is the best glycemic index I have found...learn about it. This one is in Australia...

http://www.calvin.biochem.usyd.edu.au/GIDB/search.htm

Tweety, BSN, RN · Dec 3, 2002

Asians have been eating tofu (to the Chinese it's "the meat from the earth") for a long time. I'm not sure how long, but I don't think it was an invention of profit making food companies. Veggie burgers and veggie hots and veggie this and that meat analogs are definately a highly processed food, invented for profit. (But I love them, though try to limit them, but I gobble up tofu at least twice or more a week, plus use soy milk on my organic whole grain cereal)

A 20 year study of Chinese, now I can't quote anything has been going on, and found their diet of veggies and non-animal fat a factor in their low heart disease and cancer rates. I've read of this study many times, but can't remember where it comes from.

BTW, wasn't the latest Adkins study that got all the publicity funded by a group from Adkins?

But I hear you loud and clear. Questions, questions, questions. Which is why I'm questioning you so much.

I'm all for low glycemic high antioxidant foods. But would rather eat blueberries than cheesecake. Legumes over steak.

I realize you're passionate about this. And didn't I say I would shut up?

So genetics do come into play huh?

Also the statement about not wanting to live forever brings to mind why bother at all? Lets just eat cake? LOL

Now for real, I'm going to shut up. LOL

kaycee · Dec 3, 2002

I have been doing the Atkins diet for 5 weeks now and have lost over 15#. also lots of inches. Clothes fit that I haven't worn in a long time, I feel great. I want to lose around 30#. I had a hip replacement in July and want to keep this new joint for a long time and save the ones I have. I'm walking great and I really don't miss the carbs. I'm also exercising everyday and feel in better shape then ever. I recommend it!!

bagladyrn, RN · Dec 3, 2002

Agnus - The recipe sounds yummy! I'll try it while my son is here over Christmas - that boy can eat anything - definitely didn't take after my side of the gene pool (6 ft. tall and had to work out with weights to get up to 150!). With him around I don't have to worry about leftovers tempting me!

Y2KRN · Dec 3, 2002

Wow Smag16,

Thank you soo much for all the info, as I said before nutrition was never my thing. I do find it all very, very confusing. I will have to try to take it one step at a time. I would like to lose at least 15lbs. Do you exercise regularly as well???

Thanks to everyone who has provided links and very good input on this!!!

Y2KRN

zudy · Dec 3, 2002

Great thread!! Iwent to visit my older brother over the holidays, he has lost 35 lbs over 2.5 months. He is now off his blood pressure meds. He has been very careful to communicate with his family dr, frequent visits for BP checks, weighing in, etc. coz his dr didn't really wasnt him to try Atkins. (Baseline, he did buy the book!) I am now on my fourth day, to soon to tell anything, but I did notice yesterday that my constant craving for chocolate has stopped. (VERY unusual for me!!!!!) Ialso spurged, for christmas I am going to a personal trainer!! This is tough, she really pushes me, but I am surprized, I'm tougher than I thought I was.

baseline · Dec 3, 2002

Hey 3rd shift Guy!! Blueberries are an Atkins regular fruit! And strawberries, melons.......If you are doing well with what you are doing........that's great. My SO and a good friend of mine were strict vegetarians for a long time, but had to start eating more animal protein.

Zudy.....LOL.....Im glad to hear you both are doing so well........Aren't personal trainers the best? Wish I could afford to go back to mine.........I have fallen off the excercise wagon with a big thud. But you are all inspiring me to better things!!! This is GREAT!!!! I think this time of year is a great time to start this diet.