At a Loss to help Students That Won't Help Themselves, and I'm Going to Lose My Job

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hi,

in a bit of a quandry and having anxiety attacks non stop lately. i and three other instructors were brought into a new lvn program for the first batch of students, after they had had a horrible experience with their pre-req instructors. the students were not screened nor was there any requirements (i.e. grades, pre-reqs) required for this lvn program and while i am rooting for them, i'm afraid thye are not coming into things prepared for an excellerated program.

we started in november and at the christmas break, 3/4ths of the students are failing. they are given nclex style questions written by the head of the program, thye are given copies of the power point lectures and myself and the other instructors have sat and tried to teach reading comprehension, spelling and study skills. during lectures , they don't take notes, they demand to have their answers spoon fed to them and the majority are not grasping critical thinking. we have had several severe attitude and behavior issues, and we now have police that patrol our halls. in skills lab, ( they are doing fundamentals at th emoment) they think they know it all already and i refused to sign most of them off on skills because they couldn't do it properly which set us back. at xmas break, i reported to the head of the dept that there was no way i was moving past head to toe assesments, until they actually caught up with everything else. during christmas the school hired a woman with years of experience to take over the day to day skills and theory. i did a dance of joy! i cherish the idea that i can learn from someone with so much experience. while the two new instructors took stock of what the tests scores etc were, they did not speak to the other instructors and i don't think it was intentional kept asking, what do you mean you don't know how to do this or you haven't learned that. this has fed into their inabilities to accept responsibility for the consequences of their actions or inactions (as it were). itis now a hostile environment for the rest of us instructors as we walk by in clinicals and here how stupid we must be because we can't get them to pass.

here's the thing:

they have admitted to us, that they never opened their books. they should probably have studied more!:confused::uhoh3::mad: ya think?

i put up a website with all sorts of resources for them (many came from here so thank you!)i posted the power points, i posted links to sites that did learning style quizes and how to study for their individual styles. the other instructors spenttime tutoring. well, now this may surprise you, but they have just found out how many hours they must makeup before the end of the module. (oooohhhh, maybe showing up to class might also help) for their makeup we are doing remediation as well. with out that, over half the class would not move on. administration is none to pleased that they might lose this income, so they are breathing down our necks.

here is my question: any suggestions to get them to study for a fundamentals final and remediation test, any tips or techniques, anything!!! that could help me. i'm at a loss, at the end of the rope and so is my job. i am anxious, depressed and ****** off that a bunch of students who don't drink when we lead them to water could be the reason i lose a job i've finally found to love.

i'm sorry if i ranted to much. i'm just concerned and really truly want to see people succeed. any thoughts would be greatly appreciated.!

I'm dying to hear tidbits describing the little gems that got expelled! You know, we love to hear dirty laundry.

Specializes in Tele, ICU, ED, Nurse Instructor,.

I teach at a school that is similar to this. You know some students want it and some what them to hand it to them. I teach in a profit organization. Majority of these students work full time because they have to. You want to do as much for them as you can but there is no time allowed. I know I will be teaching here for year it will be up in August 2011. I have to grow and do better.

Specializes in Orthopaedic Nursing; Geriatrics.
I'm dying to hear tidbits describing the little gems that got expelled! You know, we love to hear dirty laundry.

Well, for one thing I do not tolerate liars! So, lie to me and you are out. If you are going to lie to me, I don't feel like I can trust you enough to sign off on their skills list and say that they would make a good CNA. I've had kids who are impossible to teach - cannot even learn the basic skills. Also, too many absences can get you booted out but not calling in sick and just not showing for class can be an immeidate dismissal. I am a hard-nose about that. Cheating is another thing. UGH! I hate cheaters!

I would say cut your losses, save your license and quit while you can. A bonafide nursing program would have consequences for student absences, lack of preparation, etc.

Obviously, there is no competition to get in, otherwise they would have screened their candidates. This school is not flying and will take you down with it.

When a certain number of students fail their NCLEX, the program will be shut down by the board and law suits will be coming from students. You don't want to to be named in those. Keep a a paper trail of all happenings and your efforts at helping the students, just in case.

Specializes in Med-Surg, Emergency, CEN.

(Sorry if this is out of place. I posted before seeing that they had already started expelling...)

Flunk 'em. I don't think it's fair to you to be having anxiety attacks over students who won't do the work.

I came from a school that could expell you in 4 major ways (and a million minor ways) every semester: grade below 75%, lack of attendance, clinical performance, and a mandatory 100% math test. If we failed we had a single chance to do it over. A second failed class meant expulsion from the school.

We were told on the first day of school that peoples' lives were at stake and there was too much to learn in such a short time to be coddling us along. We'd either study or be expelled. We were also told that anyone who thought they were getting an easy 2 year degree with a guaranteed job had better think twice because the school wouldn't suffer fools.

We lost a lot of people, but the demand for a seat in nursing school is also very high. I don't think your school will lose money over it. There will be hundreds of people lining up to take their place.

I'm not an educator, it's just my extremely opinionated 2 cents.

Specializes in Pediatrics.

Sounds like a school I used to work for :uhoh3:

Having said that, I do see differences in schools that have stricter (or some) requirements/criteria for admission. I went from a for-profit school to a community college. The first school did have some hard working students, but the ones who had this sense of entitlement seemed to overpwer the group, therefore I (admittedly) type-casted the majority of the them. But the bottom line is this: the ones with the biggest mouths often were the borderline students (or the failures). The (few) A students were very quiet. (Incidentally, the schools admission criteria kept getting lower and lower, while the tuition got higher and higher :rolleyes: )

Where I teach now (in a CC) I have had to stop myself and re-think where I am. I am with students who work very hard. I feel bad for those who are struggling, b/c I know they are putting in the maximum effort they can. The only thing they want from me is more information, to help them study. Granted, test days are not fun, and there is some steam, but i expect the emotions to be high. But I can honestly not say to these guys "you are not putting in enough effort".

even though this situation was somewhat resolved, let this be an eye-opener for you. As you probably feel, I no longer wanted to be a part of a program that lacked the professional and educational integrity I feel is necessary for our profession. Just keep your eyes open for greener pastures ;)

Specializes in Home health was tops, 2nd was L&D.

Just curious.. whatever did you decide?

Specializes in Telemetry, Orthop/Surg, ER,StepDown.

Hi all,

Sorry for taking so long to post back. I left that school and went to a different campus where I met the most incredibly giving group of instructors who have taught me tons and I have introduced them to the world of technology and how we can integrate old school and new school. I have to give a shout out to the beloved Daytonite for whomI will be eternally grateful, through her posting about careplans I was able to demistify for three classes the world of NANDA. To Vicky and all of you others, I use all of your forms, and words and explain to my sudents when they ask if I wrote all of this, I say no..not that smart, but I"m a great disseminator of invaluable information to be used in their pursuit of nursing. So thanks everyone!

Thanks for the update.

First, any nursing program that does not have a selection process for applicant acceptance should be closed. Your program is doomed to fail with this policy. You are expected to do a miracle with unqualified and unmotivated students. Would you want these "nurses" taking care of you and your family? I would ask that of administration. I have the reputation of being a "hard instructor" in our nursing program because I will not pass along students who have failed. I will not compromise grades or just give out points so that our school can have a high retention and pass rate. If these students do pass in your course, what about state boards? My feeling is that most will not pass and then that is another problem for your school's program...low NCLEX pass rate. Several nursing programs have closed due to low NCLEX pass rates.

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