Ok folks, I'm just about ready to lose it and I know it's a little silly..or it may seem petty...but just take my feelings into consideration.
I am SICK to DEATH of SOME Medical Assistants, CNAs, and Respiratory Therapists (etc.) calling themselves NURSES, or allowing themselves to be called nurses...or saying that they are getting their "RN". Are you KIDDING ME?
Before I start, let me begin by saying that I respect ALL health care workers and think you should be proud of what you are doing, going to school for, and what your title is. However, I have LOW tolerance for people who break the law and throw around a professional title/license. It's beyond ignorant and I'm wondering how it can be stopped.
I would NEVER in a million years, call myself a Doctor...or a Nurse Practitioner..because I am NOT one. I did NOT go to school for it. I am a Registered Nurse and PROUD of it. If anyone calls me Doctor, or ANYTHING else, I quickly correct them with a sweet smile on my face.
Examples of what I have heard/seen/witnessed/etc.:
" Can I speak to the nurse?" Medical Assistant" Speaking, How can I help you?"
" So excited for my first day of school, we did injections!" says the medical assisting student..friend asks "OH, nursing program?!"...medical assistant student says "Yep, sure is!".
"Nurse Sarah, when do you finish school?". Sarah says, "In 2 months"...Sarah is in a RESPIRATORY therapy program.
My friend says to me," I went to school to become a nurse and finished, but I decided I prefer Social Work." I ask, "Really, so you're a nurse, where did you go?" Friend replies "Yes, CNA Tech Institute".(fake name) Uhm, that's a well known 6 month CNA school. SERIOUSLY?
"I actually teach the nurses on my unit everything. I know more than them and have more experience.", says the Medical Assistant after I ask them why they are referring to themselves as "Nurse".
I can't even go on to tell you how much more I have witnessed. MANY of this is coming from my friends. I'm going to be REALLY honest with you guys. I am just heated. I worked my BOTTOM off in nursing school. I applied to a program with 600 applicants in line (which is STANDARD) and was accepted into ONE of 20 seats. I killed myself not to be flunked out and passed with an average 3.5 GPA. It was four years of GRUELING work and I feel I have earned the right to refer to myself as a Registered Nurse. I'm very proud of it.
I feel like other health care workers are SERIOUSLY making a JOKE of the nursing field throwing around the title as though we are a dime a dozen. Why can't they be proud of what they do? EACH of those fields is JUST fine..but WHY are you breaking the law and calling yourself a Nurse?
Can you imagine what would happen if I called myself a Doctor? Sorry, but that's ignorant and pathetic. I would NEVER do it. If this thread offends you, then please don't reply. It shouldn't be offensive unless you are one of the few health care workers who live a lie and call yourself a nurse.
How do we address this and stop this? Medical Assistants are the BIGGEST group I have witnessed this by. I have a LOT of respect for them and envy their position. They ENJOY their jobs...but why do SOME (not ALL), throw MY nursing license value around like that by claiming they are a nurse?
What do you do when it's a friend doing this?
What do you do when it's a health care coworker?
I already know what I would do if I was going to a Doctor's office and they did this. That's easy. It's the friend part that is hard. I KNOW it's silly to be upset..but I have never seen so much ignorance. Why did I work hard if someone else can call themselves a nurse and only went to school for 6 months? What did I work for? Other than the obvious paycheck and passion?! ha :)
"... We know the numerous distinctions and levels of responsibility between healthcare workers, yes?
No. Well, you probably do, but to avoid any confusion when 50 people answer "yess?" when someone calls out for a nurse, we need to advise all the PCTs, RTs, CRTs, UAPs, LNAs, CNA I, CNA II, MA, CMA, PCTs, RPNs, STNAs, CMTs, CMAs, dietary workers, and housekeeping to tone down the kindness and helpfulness just in case somebody might require a higher threshold for using the title.
If your problem is with the OP, why not send a visitor message to voice your concerns? Then you wouldn't need to call all of us a bunch of unflattering names.
I agree with most of your rant about people who treat their coworkers like just so much dog ****, just not sure this is the right thread for it."
Hmm. I see. As much as I appreciate your assessment of my post, I am a little concerned about the inaccuracy and inappropriateness of your response. Also, your tone is a little unsettling. Are you okay? Besides the fact that you obviously feel strongly about this particular issue and your own opinion of it, I'm not altogether sure what would compel you to react this way.
To begin:
"No. Well, you probably do ..." Yeah, probably. Thanks for giving me the benefit of the doubt.
"If your problem is with the OP, why not send a visitor message to voice your concerns? Then you wouldn't need to call all of us a bunch of unflattering names." You actually read my post, yes? Why would you think my problem was with the OP? Thanks for the advice, but if I have an opinion about a particular thread, (its tone or topic, etc.), I would just assume post it on this forum, if that's okay with you. Also, the only name I called anyone was a "professional Samaritan". How is that unflattering? If I described a type of nurse (as opposed to "all of us") who is "self-important and condescending", and say that if anyone feels the need to "identify or defend" themselves that it's not necessary, then send me a "visitor message" if you think it is, in fact, necessary or have a problem with that. You are being hypocritical.
"I agree with most of your rant about people who treat their coworkers like just so much dog ****, just not sure this is the right thread for it."
Thanks for agreeing with most of my "rant". I think it consisted of maybe 3 short sentences, devoid of any caps or exclamation points. What part did you disagree with? I would cordially contest, however, that a thread about how people treat their coworkers is displaced here.
" ... to avoid any confusion when 50 people answer "yess?" when someone calls out for a nurse, we need to advise all the PCTs, RTs, CRTs, UAPs, LNAs, CNA I, CNA II, MA, CMA, PCTs, RPNs, STNAs, CMTs, CMAs, dietary workers, and housekeeping to tone down the kindness and helpfulness just in case somebody might require a higher threshold for using the title."
What about visitors?Or clergy? Anyway, I will be certain to advise the housekeeping staff to tone down the kindness and helpfulness, just in case.
I understand and appreciate the importance of nurses being distinguishable from other staff, for practical reasons and beyond. However, if I believe certain questions arise within a thread topic & would like to voice them, why be so critical? I'm not going to ask whether or not I touched a nerve - that's not the point. The point is I don't understand what your problem is or what makes you an unmitigated authority on this issue and how it should be discussed. I can only assume.
Feel free, an staff, to edit/delete this post if you deem it necessary. I would just hope you do the same to the misguided and patronizing post to which this is a response. Also, I am very big baby.
I ticks me off too. The MA's around here have no problem referring to themselves at nurses. When I questioned one about it I said "but I thought your a MA?", she said "yeah, Im an office nurse, same thing". NO its not even remotely close to the same thing. And whats really irritating is I think the doc at the office turns a blind eye to this nonsense on purpose. Im sure he loves his patients seeing all of these "nurses" on staff. I've only seen a couple of cna's be referred to as nurse but that was in a LTC facility with confused patients.
I am surprised to see you say Respiratory Therapists are referring to themselves as nurses too. I've never encountered that myself, in fact the respiratory therapists i have had to work with seem very proud of their title and they have no qualms telling anyone that asks, that yes, they are respiratory.
Specializes in Peds/outpatient FP,derm,allergy/private duty.
. . . .Hmm. I see. As much as I appreciate your assessment of my post, I am a little concerned about the inaccuracy and inappropriateness of your response. Also, your tone is a little unsettling. Are you okay?
I'm great !!! Just wonderful !! And you?!?!?
Sorry, I just did that to freak you out since you seemed to be hinting that well . . . maybe I'm not quite right (tapping finger on the noggin.)
Most likely I unwittingly combined the tenor of your post and MyUserNames post in my mind regarding the unflattering names and the focus on the OP's use of all caps and her admittedly over-the-top level of drama about the subject matter.
I really wasn't upset so I am also sorry you found my tone unsettling. Not sure how you meant that, but I can categorically say that I absolutely do not have a duffelbag full of foam rubber bats (the baseball kind) in my closet or abnormal ideation.
Maybe it's the tone of the OP, but this whole topic seems a little petty. Maybe it's all the CAPS and !!!'s, which I get - it's a rant, but really
I believed the topic was when a Medical Assistant in a doctor's office refers to her/himself as a nurse, not the inter-relationship between nurses, techs, and aides in the hospital setting. So to be honest I felt like you were taking the opportunity to lecture the nurses about that.
What I meant was that if you felt the topic of how nurses treat aides and techs in units was important to you, you could start another thread with that as the specific topic, so lots of people would see it instead of buried here where fewer people would see it. I know I don't do that, and I try very hard to be kind and inclusive to everyone. But if you feel strongly about that you should be heard. That's what I meant.
I recognize that lowly techs who compare themselves to nurses should be crucified for their audacity, but I also see the way some nurses treat healthcare workers who are "beneath" them at times. Of course the OP and the numerous posters who are up in arms about this ethical dilemma are not this type of nurse, so no need to identify or defend yourselves.
You are right. It wasn't a rant. But the comment -- I probably did take it personally. It was like -- You suck, case closed. Let's all go home now. However, a good deal of it is having read so many of those complaints my nerves are more frayed so I react not to the one person who said it, but the whole mental baggage of all the other people who have said it, too.
Do you really think they are sh*tting on the nursing profession by including themselves despite not having gone through what we went through? Or are they aware that there is nothing more noble or profound as to be included in this elite group of professional Samaritans? Huh?! Tell me!
Let's just say that was a little more "in your face" wording than we usually hear ---? Not that it's necessarily a bad thing. There are lots of times I'd like to don a Fedora, corner somebody and jab my index finger on their chest as I say . . . "did Mrs. Johnson have a BM today? Huh? Tell me!!" :)
Again, I am sorry for the inept wording that gave the wrong impression. Sometimes I'm just tired and my eyes skip over the nuanced words and I react to the keywords. You sound like a fun guy to hang out with on a boring night shift.
I started feeling stupid & "petty" as soon as I started typing that last post, but it was too late. I get caught up on here when I am avoiding things like this worthless 15-page family nursing assessment paper. The census is low & I honestly don't have a real opinion about the matter. Just trying to stir things up I guess? You seem like a pleasant, reasonable person and a good, conscientious nurse. Maybe I'm a little allergic to !!! and CAPS or something. When we hang out on a boring night shift, I'll bring some fancy coffee. Would you like that? Huh?! Tell me!
Thanks for not making fun of me for being so sensitive.
Ok folks, I'm just about ready to lose it and I know it's a little silly..or it may seem petty...but just take my feelings into consideration.
I am SICK to DEATH of SOME Medical Assistants, CNAs, and Respiratory Therapists (etc.) calling themselves NURSES, or allowing themselves to be called nurses...or saying that they are getting their "RN". Are you KIDDING ME?
Before I start, let me begin by saying that I respect ALL health care workers and think you should be proud of what you are doing, going to school for, and what your title is. However, I have LOW tolerance for people who break the law and throw around a professional title/license. It's beyond ignorant and I'm wondering how it can be stopped.
I would NEVER in a million years, call myself a Doctor...or a Nurse Practitioner..because I am NOT one. I did NOT go to school for it. I am a Registered Nurse and PROUD of it. If anyone calls me Doctor, or ANYTHING else, I quickly correct them with a sweet smile on my face.
Examples of what I have heard/seen/witnessed/etc.:
" Can I speak to the nurse?" Medical Assistant" Speaking, How can I help you?"
" So excited for my first day of school, we did injections!" says the medical assisting student..friend asks "OH, nursing program?!"...medical assistant student says "Yep, sure is!".
"Nurse Sarah, when do you finish school?". Sarah says, "In 2 months"...Sarah is in a RESPIRATORY therapy program.
My friend says to me," I went to school to become a nurse and finished, but I decided I prefer Social Work." I ask, "Really, so you're a nurse, where did you go?" Friend replies "Yes, CNA Tech Institute".(fake name) Uhm, that's a well known 6 month CNA school. SERIOUSLY?
"I actually teach the nurses on my unit everything. I know more than them and have more experience.", says the Medical Assistant after I ask them why they are referring to themselves as "Nurse".
I can't even go on to tell you how much more I have witnessed. MANY of this is coming from my friends. I'm going to be REALLY honest with you guys. I am just heated. I worked my BOTTOM off in nursing school. I applied to a program with 600 applicants in line (which is STANDARD) and was accepted into ONE of 20 seats. I killed myself not to be flunked out and passed with an average 3.5 GPA. It was four years of GRUELING work and I feel I have earned the right to refer to myself as a Registered Nurse. I'm very proud of it.
I feel like other health care workers are SERIOUSLY making a JOKE of the nursing field throwing around the title as though we are a dime a dozen. Why can't they be proud of what they do? EACH of those fields is JUST fine..but WHY are you breaking the law and calling yourself a Nurse?
Can you imagine what would happen if I called myself a Doctor? Sorry, but that's ignorant and pathetic. I would NEVER do it. If this thread offends you, then please don't reply. It shouldn't be offensive unless you are one of the few health care workers who live a lie and call yourself a nurse.
How do we address this and stop this? Medical Assistants are the BIGGEST group I have witnessed this by. I have a LOT of respect for them and envy their position. They ENJOY their jobs...but why do SOME (not ALL), throw MY nursing license value around like that by claiming they are a nurse?
What do you do when it's a friend doing this?
What do you do when it's a health care coworker?
I already know what I would do if I was going to a Doctor's office and they did this. That's easy. It's the friend part that is hard. I KNOW it's silly to be upset..but I have never seen so much ignorance. Why did I work hard if someone else can call themselves a nurse and only went to school for 6 months? What did I work for? Other than the obvious paycheck and passion?! ha :)
My sister had this bizarre friend named Lacy. Lacy was fixated on anything medical. SHe wanted to be an "nurse" she paid over $10,000 for a 6 month Medical Assistance course from a private college. She graduated.. I also was a working RN of a few years. Much much younger than Lacy. Lacy actually had the balls excuse me to say she was a step below an RN to me and my sister.
Imagine my fun when I said. "excuse me, I beg to differ, what you are is a CNA who can draw blood, give shots and work in a MD office, you are not just below an RN,but your tuition sure sounds like it is! I support you with this one.
Bad enough that people call themselves nurses when they aren't - worse still IMHO, when they pass on blatantly incorrect information to patients! Or perform tasks waaaaaaaaay out of their scope of practice [such as assessments on patients and interceding with the Doc (bypassing the nurse) with pt. requests for stuff like more pain meds etc.]
Scenario: Mr. B needs to go down to have a contrast CT of abdomen.
Me: "Hey Tech C, can you run Mr. B down to CT please? He's getting a contrast CT of abdomen-pelvis. Thanks!"
Tech: (standing right in front of pt) "Well patient is allergic to shellfish".
Me: "That's fine. They can still go down for CT scan."
Tech: "Well they can't have contrast if they're allergic to shellfish!"
Tech: (still defiant, and still blabbing on in front of patient) *scoffs* "Well, not according to what I know!"
Yeah! Precisely! It's what you DO NOT KNOW!
It really BOTHERS me when people do this! It's one thing to be ill-informed in front of me but for goodness sakes do you have to open your mouth in front of the patient?!! Makes us ALL look like incompetent jackasses!
This by the way, is the same person who insists that the "correct way to perform orthostatics" is 'Lying, Standing then Sitting'. Despite a Doc and myself correcting him, he insists that he's following "neurologic standards".
Me: "Ummm, that's not how it's taught in school".
The response? "Yeah, well school isn't always right".
Yeah. Uh-huh. And which nursing school would this be that you graduated from?
ok folks, i'm just about ready to lose it and i know it's a little silly..or it may seem petty...but just take my feelings into consideration.
i am sick to death of some medical assistants, cnas, and respiratory therapists (etc.) calling themselves nurses, or allowing themselves to be called nurses...or saying that they are getting their "rn". are you kidding me?
before i start, let me begin by saying that i respect all health care workers and think you should be proud of what you are doing, going to school for, and what your title is. however, i have low tolerance for people who break the law and throw around a professional title/license. it's beyond ignorant and i'm wondering how it can be stopped.
i would never in a million years, call myself a doctor...or a nurse practitioner..because i am not one. i did not go to school for it. i am a registered nurse and proud of it. if anyone calls me doctor, or anything else, i quickly correct them with a sweet smile on my face.
examples of what i have heard/seen/witnessed/etc.:
" can i speak to the nurse?" medical assistant" speaking, how can i help you?"
" so excited for my first day of school, we did injections!" says the medical assisting student..friend asks "oh, nursing program?!"...medical assistant student says "yep, sure is!".
"nurse sarah, when do you finish school?". sarah says, "in 2 months"...sarah is in a respiratory therapy program.
my friend says to me," i went to school to become a nurse and finished, but i decided i prefer social work." i ask, "really, so you're a nurse, where did you go?" friend replies "yes, cna tech institute".(fake name) uhm, that's a well known 6 month cna school. seriously?
"i actually teach the nurses on my unit everything. i know more than them and have more experience.", says the medical assistant after i ask them why they are referring to themselves as "nurse".
i can't even go on to tell you how much more i have witnessed. many of this is coming from my friends. i'm going to be really honest with you guys. i am just heated. i worked my bottom off in nursing school. i applied to a program with 600 applicants in line (which is standard) and was accepted into one of 20 seats. i killed myself not to be flunked out and passed with an average 3.5 gpa. it was four years of grueling work and i feel i have earned the right to refer to myself as a registered nurse. i'm very proud of it.
i feel like other health care workers are seriously making a joke of the nursing field throwing around the title as though we are a dime a dozen. why can't they be proud of what they do? each of those fields is just fine..but why are you breaking the law and calling yourself a nurse?
can you imagine what would happen if i called myself a doctor? sorry, but that's ignorant and pathetic. i would never do it. if this thread offends you, then please don't reply. it shouldn't be offensive unless you are one of the few health care workers who live a lie and call yourself a nurse.
how do we address this and stop this? medical assistants are the biggest group i have witnessed this by. i have a lot of respect for them and envy their position. they enjoy their jobs...but why do some (not all), throw my nursing license value around like that by claiming they are a nurse?
what do you do when it's a friend doing this?
what do you do when it's a health care coworker?
i already know what i would do if i was going to a doctor's office and they did this. that's easy. it's the friend part that is hard. i know it's silly to be upset..but i have never seen so much ignorance. why did i work hard if someone else can call themselves a nurse and only went to school for 6 months? what did i work for? other than the obvious paycheck and passion?! ha :)
umm, i am post 271 or something so ill be impressed if this is even read but isn't this like really bad because if they are saying they are the nurse and a problem occurs with care and the "nurse" and they report the "nurse" it falls on us? that scares me.
with all these posts seems it happens a lot. i sure didnt go through hell and back known as nursing school to take a test that produces stress that will take your life to get a license with my name that includes rn after it fo r anyone not a nurse to give me messed up rep.
We all need to start taking this to the house, a felony is a felony and when someone wants to take the "nurse" to court for some dumb thing a non nurse did, its the NURSE that will be in questions. Scary.
Last week a pt asked a new employee point blank, "Are you a nurse?" He replied "Yes." I almost fell out of my seat as I overheard this. #1 he is a phlebotomist training to be a MA.
#2 i have had this discussion with all the employees/MA's many times before because I am the only RN and because before I was hired they called all theMA's Nurses. I let it go for a long time, but when the executive director asked me my opinions, I let her know that this was illegal. No she did not know. The MA's also answer the phone saying "Nursing, theirname", which I feel is wrong. I brought this matter up again just the other day and you know what one of the counselors told me? She stated that "this is the nursing station, so they can answer the phone that way, they are not stating they are nurses". Then she proceded to answer the phone "nursing, her name". When i answer the phone I say this is elprup RN, how may i help you. #3 so it is ok for anybody to answer the phone and state "nursing, their name" even though they are not a nurse and even though a licensed nurse is not working in that area! Drives me crazy. Oh and they think that since it is a rural area, they should be able to get away with it. Am i crazy?
Specializes in Peds/outpatient FP,derm,allergy/private duty.
I started feeling stupid & "petty" as soon as I started typing that last post, but it was too late. I get caught up on here when I am avoiding things like this worthless 15-page family nursing assessment paper. The census is low & I honestly don't have a real opinion about the matter. Just trying to stir things up I guess? You seem like a pleasant, reasonable person and a good, conscientious nurse. Maybe I'm a little allergic to !!! and CAPS or something. When we hang out on a boring night shift, I'll bring some fancy coffee. Would you like that? Huh?! Tell me!
Thanks for not making fun of me for being so sensitive.
This topic is one that being on allnurses for a while has caused me to modify my thinking on. Until recently my attitude was more like yours --- or more specificly, I didn't give it much thought one way or the other because I've never heard anyone claim to be a nurse in an effort to overstate their knowledge, training, etc.
When I worked in the gigantic clinic every doctor there had an LVN (LPN) or RN as their nurse except a doc in Internal Medicine who's receptionist had been there for years and had been trained by the doctor to do what the licensed nurses did- but everyone called her "Dr K______'s nurse" as a generic term for the person who functions in that capacity.
It never caused a ripple of worry to cross my mind, but after reading many of the posts here I have a different understanding of it. The misnomer doesn't always come with an intent to deceive, but it does with enough frequency I'd be inclined to speak up if I heard it at my workplace or if an non-nurse told me he or she was a nurse. About that 15-page assessment paper. . . my condolences. :)
I completely agree! I recently worked at a pediatrician's office where the MAs repeatedly referred to themselves as nurses! They would answer the phone with, "Yes, this is the nurse," then proceed to give advice to parents! Sometimes it was wrong advice! And the parents are trusting that it is coming from a real RN. It makes me so angry that they think they can call themselves nurses! If I answered the phone with, "Yes, this is the doctor," and then gave out advice, I would be arrested! So I'm glad to hear it's against the law. Is it only in certain states or all states? Can anyone tell me about MD? And what can we do about it? Who can we report them to? I think the original poster should write a letter to Congress or something. I am ready to sign it! And by the looks of how many posts there are, I'd say many more RNs are behind you too!
morecoffeepls, BSN, RN
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"... We know the numerous distinctions and levels of responsibility between healthcare workers, yes?
No. Well, you probably do, but to avoid any confusion when 50 people answer "yess?" when someone calls out for a nurse, we need to advise all the PCTs, RTs, CRTs, UAPs, LNAs, CNA I, CNA II, MA, CMA, PCTs, RPNs, STNAs, CMTs, CMAs, dietary workers, and housekeeping to tone down the kindness and helpfulness just in case somebody might require a higher threshold for using the title.
If your problem is with the OP, why not send a visitor message to voice your concerns? Then you wouldn't need to call all of us a bunch of unflattering names.
I agree with most of your rant about people who treat their coworkers like just so much dog ****, just not sure this is the right thread for it."
Hmm. I see. As much as I appreciate your assessment of my post, I am a little concerned about the inaccuracy and inappropriateness of your response. Also, your tone is a little unsettling. Are you okay? Besides the fact that you obviously feel strongly about this particular issue and your own opinion of it, I'm not altogether sure what would compel you to react this way.
To begin:
"No. Well, you probably do ..." Yeah, probably. Thanks for giving me the benefit of the doubt.
"If your problem is with the OP, why not send a visitor message to voice your concerns? Then you wouldn't need to call all of us a bunch of unflattering names." You actually read my post, yes? Why would you think my problem was with the OP? Thanks for the advice, but if I have an opinion about a particular thread, (its tone or topic, etc.), I would just assume post it on this forum, if that's okay with you. Also, the only name I called anyone was a "professional Samaritan". How is that unflattering? If I described a type of nurse (as opposed to "all of us") who is "self-important and condescending", and say that if anyone feels the need to "identify or defend" themselves that it's not necessary, then send me a "visitor message" if you think it is, in fact, necessary or have a problem with that. You are being hypocritical.
"I agree with most of your rant about people who treat their coworkers like just so much dog ****, just not sure this is the right thread for it."
Thanks for agreeing with most of my "rant". I think it consisted of maybe 3 short sentences, devoid of any caps or exclamation points. What part did you disagree with? I would cordially contest, however, that a thread about how people treat their coworkers is displaced here.
" ... to avoid any confusion when 50 people answer "yess?" when someone calls out for a nurse, we need to advise all the PCTs, RTs, CRTs, UAPs, LNAs, CNA I, CNA II, MA, CMA, PCTs, RPNs, STNAs, CMTs, CMAs, dietary workers, and housekeeping to tone down the kindness and helpfulness just in case somebody might require a higher threshold for using the title."
What about visitors?Or clergy? Anyway, I will be certain to advise the housekeeping staff to tone down the kindness and helpfulness, just in case.
I understand and appreciate the importance of nurses being distinguishable from other staff, for practical reasons and beyond. However, if I believe certain questions arise within a thread topic & would like to voice them, why be so critical? I'm not going to ask whether or not I touched a nerve - that's not the point. The point is I don't understand what your problem is or what makes you an unmitigated authority on this issue and how it should be discussed. I can only assume.
Feel free, an staff, to edit/delete this post if you deem it necessary. I would just hope you do the same to the misguided and patronizing post to which this is a response. Also, I am very big baby.