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traumaRUs has 25 years experience as a MSN, APRN and works as a Asst Community Manager @ allnurses.

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Have we become a nation of slugs, so offended by a simple old-time Christmas song that we want to ban it from the radio? Where does this leave us in real life? You are reading page 10 of Are We Too PC?. If you want to start from the beginning Go to First Page.

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It simply brings up a moment of a memory. But I'm able to separate my experience from a playful flirtatious banter of a song.

And that's what separates you from the crazy people! ;-)

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Because it's about you?

No my dear...I have not labored under that delusion for many years...would that others be freed from delusional thinking as well.

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I am sorry that I can't take the time to explain the song line by line.

But again, the song is intended for Western ears, so the line, Do They Know It's Christmas, is not intended, nor directed at Ethiopians, but the West, who allowed famine to rage, like today, in Yemen.

Oh honey, no.

Listen to what you're saying, please.

"Intended for western ears."

Did you even read the article I posted? Which were *not* from western mouths but *were* intended for western ears?

In the song, the message is clear: drought caused crops to fail resulting in widespread famine.

But the causes of the crisis were farrrr more complex, with the policies of the government in Ethiopia partly to blame. The region was caught in civil war. There was even question that some of the money raised by Farm Aid was given for weapons used by those Marxist governments.

The individual who provided me the link to the article was my coworker of Ethiopian descent. Placing yourself in someone else's shoes is the whole idea of being PC, no? Your attitude is entirely dismissive from your reply alone; go ahead and explain each line for her and I will pass it along. She was a child of eight in '84 and I'm sure she will let you know some thoughts to your explanation.

The song white washed the problem, made us feel good for donating, and allowed us to go about our day. It oversimplified it for our ears and portrayed an Africa that even today many of us envision inaccurately.

If we are to be PC, we are to be educated. Not blindly accepting what others say to be true.

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DextersDisciple has 5 years experience.

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Gee thanks for insult.

You apparently think it is okay to still refer to Blacks as "darkies."

YOU, and people like YOU are exactly the reason why society should be PC.

You obviously lack the common sense, common decency and sensitivity chip required to navigate life in the 21st century.

Good for you, that you have found a safe space among your fellow travelers.

But you will find no safe space with me.

I never used the word "darkies"? Maybe I should do another spell check.

I'm way more book smart than I am common sense/street smart (it's getting better as I age) but I was raised with manners and have been teased for how often I say please and thank you. That's okay though, how would you know that?

I've specialized in oncology ever since I've graduated nursing school so I'd be disappointed if people kept hiring and cross training me if my sensitivity chip was subpar. I'm so offended they never reprimanded me on my level of a sensitivity!!

I'm gonna go run and hide in my safe space because I've been trigged and I'm not welcome in yours. Gosh people are SO MEAN!

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Oh honey, no.

Listen to what you're saying, please.

"Intended for western ears."

Did you even read the article I posted? Which were *not* from western mouths but *were* intended for western ears?

The message is clear in the song; drought caused crops to fail resulting in widespread famine.

But the causes of the crisis were farrrr more complex, with the policies of the government in Ethiopia partly to blame. The region was caught in civil war. There was even question that money raised by Farm Aid was given for weapons used by those Marxist governments.

The individual who provided me the link to the article was my coworker of Ethiopian descent. Placing yourself in someone else's shoes is the whole idea of being PC, no? Your attitude is entirely dismissive from your reply alone; go ahead and explain each line for her and I will pass it along. She was a child of eight in '84 and I'm sure she will let you know some thoughts to your explanation.

The song white washed the problem, made us feel good for donating, and allowed us to go about our day.

Even Geldof and Bono dislikes it.

I respectfully disagree with you.

I get your intention with bringing up you Ethopian co-worker, but does she speak for all Ethopians?

Highly doubt it, anymore than you, or I speak for all Americans.

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I never used the word "darkies"? Maybe I should do another spell check.

I'm way more book smart than I am common sense/street smart (it's getting better as I age) but I was raised with manners and have been teased for how often I say please and thank you. That's okay though, how would you know that?

I've specialized in oncology ever since I've graduated nursing school so I'd be disappointed if people kept hiring and cross training me if my sensitivity chip was subpar. I'm so offended they never reprimanded me on my level of a sensitivity!!

I'm gonna go run and hide in my safe space because I've been trigged and I'm not welcome in yours. Gosh people are SO MEAN!

You posted an insult about me, regarding my posts.

Maybe you typed faster than your brain processed all if my posts.

Yeah, that must be it!

If you had actually read the posts, you would understand my comment.

Clearly, you didn't. You reacted emotionally.

Cheers!

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I respectfully disagree with you.

I get your intention with bringing up you Ethopian co-worker, but does she speak for all Ethopians?

Highly doubt it, anymore than you, or I speak for all Americans.

Well. She lived through that famine.

My intention is that she speaks for it more than a song. Or any American, for that matter.

And since I now have said song in my head, I'm out.

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Oh honey, no.

Listen to what you're saying, please.

"Intended for western ears."

Did you even read the article I posted? Which were *not* from western mouths but *were* intended for western ears?

In the song, the message is clear: drought caused crops to fail resulting in widespread famine.

But the causes of the crisis were farrrr more complex, with the policies of the government in Ethiopia partly to blame. The region was caught in civil war. There was even question that some of the money raised by Farm Aid was given for weapons used by those Marxist governments.

The individual who provided me the link to the article was my coworker of Ethiopian descent. Placing yourself in someone else's shoes is the whole idea of being PC, no? Your attitude is entirely dismissive from your reply alone; go ahead and explain each line for her and I will pass it along. She was a child of eight in '84 and I'm sure she will let you know some thoughts to your explanation.

The song white washed the problem, made us feel good for donating, and allowed us to go about our day. It oversimplified it for our ears and portrayed an Africa that even today many of us envision inaccurately.

If we are to be PC, we are to be educated. Not blindly accepting what others say to be true.

Please do share with your co-worker my thoughts on the song, thus far, such as it being a slap in the face to the West, for being slow to respond to the crisis.

No, White Savior.

Just human beings helping one another.

Famine is going on right now, in Yemen.

In a world filled with riches, and from the vantage point of the richest country in the world, how are people allowed to starve?

Yes, yes, a civil war, and Saudi planes, dropping American made bombs.

It is sooo complicated.

Not really.

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vetpharmtech has 1 years experience.

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That's the problem, though. If a person gives feedback saying that something someone says is hurtful or offensive, they're often accused of being a "snowflake" or "too PC".

I think the problem is the word itself. Political correctness is a political term.

I prefer empathetic and sensitive. A person with empathy would restrain his words to protect people's feelings. We are not just animals who only live with primal instincts. We have emotion and feelings.

Screening other posters, I have realized that freedom of expression is a double edge sword and has its cost. It allows people to speak their mind and exposes bigots. At the same time, it may cause hurt feelings. It is unfortunate, but it is better than living in a totalitarian society like my country.

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DextersDisciple has 5 years experience.

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You posted an insult about me, regarding my posts.

Maybe you typed faster than your brain processed all if my posts.

Yeah, that must be it!

If you had actually read the posts, you would understand my comment.

Clearly, you didn't. You reacted emotionally.

Cheers!

Nope I understood just fine :)

I guess we will just have to agree to disagree. It's okay, like I said I'm not easily offended. I like to give people the benefit of the doubt and see the best in the people. Call me naive but getting offended consumes one with negative feelings. And quite frankly I find negative energy exhausting and detrimental to my health.

Even if you don't believe, I pray the lord blesses you with love and happiness on this Christmas.

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macawake has 10 years experience.

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Now that political correctness has been banned, may I use the pronouns I wish without jeopardizing my job now?

Knock yourself out. I'm convinced that you're plenty smart enough to figure out that if you talk about or address a person in a different manner than they want to be addressed, you know that you've made the deliberate decision to disrespect their wishes and depending on the person, quite possibly also hurt them. My conclusion is that being allowed to do that matters more to you, than the possible pain you inflict. Right or wrong? If wrong, feel free to explain why you think so.

Personally I don't get it. If something's no skin off my nose and the person isn't being a **** towards me, my default setting is to simply respect the person and their wishes. Different strokes I guess.

No my dear...I have not labored under that delusion for many years...would that others be freed from delusional thinking as well.

Sweetcheeks, your terms of endearment are really tugging at my heartstrings, but I suspect Farawyn ain't your dear...

It's kind of funny. This thread is over a hundred posts long, and no one has managed to provide a meaningful list of things that they want to be able to say, but feel is frowned upon or even condemned by a sizeable portion of the population.

What have we got so far?

* Being able to say Merry Christmas.

* Being able to call Easter eggs; Easter eggs.

(I've searched the internet for credible incidences of people being assaulted or jailed for using the phrase Merry Christmas or saying Easter eggs, but rather unsurprisingly, I drew a blank).

* If I interpreted it correctly, being able to call a person who's transgender the pronoun you prefer, instead of the one they prefer?

Isn't this a rather pathetic list?

Have I missed anything major?

There are so many posters in this thread who seem to share the common belief that you guys are way, way too PC, and that's the best the collective you can come up with? Come on!

Careful, y'all are starting to sound like special snowflakes ;)

It never ceases to amaze me to see how far virtue signaling SJW's will go. You can never be in full compliance with the pc culture because the goal post is constantly moved. And no this song isn't an isolated incident, it's happening across this planet and sadly it's not even one of the most extreme examples IMO (thinking specifically of the idea of incarcerating an individual for calling a transitioning male to female, a he or some other scientifically correct pronoun as 1 example).

Are you telling me that you have a genuine fear that it will become illegal and punishable by a jail sentence, to simply call a person the wrong he or she? Without even bothering to research where you've picked up that strange idea, I can safely predict that it doesn't have a snowball's chance in hell of becoming law. So stop fretting.

I swear it's as if some of you guys are actively looking for things to get upset about. In my opinion there's a bit of a victim mentality lurking in there somewhere...

I have to wonder why is it so hard for you to "keep up with the goalposts"? It ain't rocket science. I find that kindness and respect, and a sincere apology if if I've shoved my foot in my mouth (and that's certainly been known to happen), usually does the trick.

Being PC isn't a new idea. In another life in the 1970's early 1980's, I was a USN broadcaster serving in Japan. We had what was called, "host country sensitivities." For instance, when giving the weather, we were not allowed to say, "there's a nip in the air." Some other issues: we weren't allowed to discuss the nuclear bomb attacks on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. And we couldn't call the Emperor by his first name as this was considered disrespectful. I can see how we need to be sensitive when we serve in the military overseas and need to blend in. However, here in the US nowadays we seem to be resorting to not wishing to offend anyone.

TraumaRUs, I was planning on asking you about this in my first post in this thread, but I forgot. As I've already said, I appreciate your posts and I find that you are always respectful and kind (a lot more so than I often am). I must admit, to me it came a bit out of left field, that this PC stuff bothers you.

The thing I was going to ask about, is why would anyone want to bring up Hiroshima and Nagasaki while in Japan? I mean, the bombs "you" dropped on them are horrific.

With a nuclear bomb, if you're "lucky" you are instantly "vaporized". If you're less lucky, you suffer an agonizing, protracted death, with thermal burns, radiation burns, vomiting, severe bloody diarrheas, extensive internal bleeding, bone marrow and central nervous system death. Or if the amount of radiation you were exposed to was lower, you might just get milder nausea, vomiting, diarrhea, painful mucous membranes and develop leukemia two years or so down the road. Who could blame the Japanese for not wanting to be reminded of this, especially by citizens from the country that bombed them?

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vetpharmtech has 1 years experience.

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macawake, your post is the reason I wrote what I wrote. People who complain about political correctness essentially complain about being pushed back by society even when the government is totally neutral on the matter.

I remember when Starbuck's decided to decorate their cups with red color Christians got upset about it and encouraged boycotting the business. At the same time, they complained that they were persecuted when LGBT community protested against what Chik Fil A's CEO said about gay marriage.

In a different example, Christians are free to say nonbelievers deserve to burn in hell for eternity because they don't worship Jesus and get upset when atheists say Yahweh is an imaginary deity.

Some people cannot handle being pushed back. Unfortunately, people who have to deal with cruel jokes from these "non PC vigilantes" will continue to suffer because of the incident at UC Berkeley.

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