Anyone else forced to get naked for supervised drug test?

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All drug tests for the monitoring program in my state are supervised. There is a list of approved testing facilities. Most just stand behind you in the bathroom, but the one I went to for my last test made me take my clothes off. Specifically, the person monitoring me brought folding chair into the bathroom and sat down 3 feet away from me. I was then told to drop my pants and underwear to my ankles and to lift my shirt up to my armpits and to spin around in a circle. When I protested, I was told that a refusal would be considered to be the same as a failed test.

Does this seam outrageous to anyone else? I feel like I am being treated like a criminal when I have never been acused of breaking the law or of working while under the influence of alcohol/drugs.

sleepwalker said:

What you had was an "observed" collection. If someone is standing outside the door it's a "monitored collection". You sound like you're purposefully exaggerating being "naked" as you noted you had to lower your undergarments and raise your skirt...that's not naked and it's standard practice. I have all my observes lower their undergarments, spin around, lift their testicles and stand so I can directly see the stream of urine to verify it's coming from them. 

I've caught multiple people with bags/bottles of urine strapped to their legs, tucked into their underwear, tucked behind their testicles, taped to their buttocks, etc. By doing the aforementioned procedure I guarantee I'll catch someone trying to provide a fake or adulterated sample. 

My god - is that in your work policy and procedure manual? Are you sure you are not getting some sick pleasure off that? I would be more concerned with your behavior than a person who uses drugs. 

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I had one have me drop my pants and turn around, but not take all my clothes off. Didn't bother me a bit. I use to be a stripper before nursing. I volunteer each time I go to that testing center to remove clothes and it's to the point now that they are uncomfortable when they see me coming. To save my license, I couldn't care less if they required I walk in the facility nude and leave nude. I learned a long time ago if a guy or gal is going to get off on seeing you, they will do that regardless of whether you are naked or not. It's out of my control so I don't worry about it.

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If you get a note from a doctor for a diagnosis that prevents you from observed urine tests that got me out of it. I blood tesr instead of observed urine tests because I couldn't pee in front of others. 

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77Mercy said:

My god - is that in your work policy and procedure manual? Are you sure you are not getting some sick pleasure off that? I would be more concerned with your behavior than a person who uses drugs. 

Attached is the DOT procedure. I'm sure they would love to hear your recommendations and concerns regarding the procedure.

 

ODAPC DOTs_Direct_Observation_Procedures_Instruction_Sheet_August312009.pdf

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I am going to just be brutally honest here and say that you all sound like you have been in the drug testing program a little too long and It's affected your brains. 

There is a protocol that the collector needs to follow. They can't just make this stuff up as they go along. I would not strip naked or lift up any part of my body before I found out what the policy and procedure states and I sure as hell wouldn't be twirling around and lifting up my scrotum just because some half twit pervert told me to. That is just not right in any way, shape or form.  I mean really? Who ever heard of stripping completely naked for a urine collection test. I have been tested for many years, and I have never had anyone ask me to spread my legs so they can see the urine come out of my body. I understand that maybe that is the policy in some areas but I am not going to be humiliated because of some jack ***'s stupid policy. If that is truly the policy, I would tell them that they needed to rethink that policy because some day somebody working for their business is going to be accused of something perverted and If I were a business I would not want to have to explain why people were put in that situation.  Think about it, people! if someone asked you to do something that you are not comfortable with- there is probably a reason. There are a lot of people out there in this world who take advantage of naive people and get some thrill out of controlling them and these types of people are attracted to certain jobs. I would not be following any one's orders of striping and squatting and spreading my legs until I found out exactly what the policy and procedure for urine collection is and then- if I was asked to strip and squat and twirl around, I would tell them politely to go to hell because that is just inappropriate. I understand that they may do this kind of thing in prisons or probation offices, but I am not a prisoner, and I am not going to submit in that way.  I would request some kind of alternative before I took all of my clothes off. There is no reason that anyone should be put in that kind of situation. I don't know what is wrong with people these days but some of this crap has gone way too far. 

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nolongeranurse said:

I am going to just be brutally honest here and say that you all sound like you have been in the drug testing program a little too long and It's affected your brains. 

There is a protocol that the collector needs to follow. They can't just make this stuff up as they go along. I would not strip naked or lift up any part of my body before I found out what the policy and procedure states and I sure as hell wouldn't be twirling around and lifting up my scrotum just because some half twit pervert told me to. That is just not right in any way, shape or form.  I mean really? Who ever heard of stripping completely naked for a urine collection test. I have been tested for many years, and I have never had anyone ask me to spread my legs so they can see the urine come out of my body. I understand that maybe that is the policy in some areas but I am not going to be humiliated because of some jack ***'s stupid policy. If that is truly the policy, I would tell them that they needed to rethink that policy because some day somebody working for their business is going to be accused of something perverted and If I were a business I would not want to have to explain why people were put in that situation.  Think about it, people! if someone asked you to do something that you are not comfortable with- there is probably a reason. There are a lot of people out there in this world who take advantage of naive people and get some thrill out of controlling them and these types of people are attracted to certain jobs. I would not be following any one's orders of striping and squatting and spreading my legs until I found out exactly what the policy and procedure for urine collection is and then- if I was asked to strip and squat and twirl around, I would tell them politely to go to hell because that is just inappropriate. I understand that they may do this kind of thing in prisons or probation offices, but I am not a prisoner, and I am not going to submit in that way.  I would request some kind of alternative before I took all of my clothes off. There is no reason that anyone should be put in that kind of situation. I don't know what is wrong with people these days but some of this crap has gone way too far. 

The day of my observed test I couldn't pee and called the case manager and she didn't care and said I had to. I did it that time to keep my license but my pcp was kind enough to write a note saying I needed to blood test instead of the observation.  We do what we must. 

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Well I guess you do, but as far as I am concerned this is still a free country and I am not going to do anything that makes me uncomfortable to keep a job that I really don't want to do anyway. 

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77Mercy said:

Well I guess you do, but as far as I am concerned this is still a free country and I am not going to do anything that makes me uncomfortable to keep a job that I really don't want to do anyway. 

It's not keeping a job it's keeping my license.. it's a free country, no one will be jailed for not doing the monitoring agreement requirements but most of us do them. 

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