ANA discriminates against LPN/LVN

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The ANA is discriminating against LPNs and LVNs. American Nurses Association. No mention there abour REGISTERED? nope . To me that means ALL nurses. They should be forced to allow our membership or change their name to American REGISTERED Nurses Associaton.

Any takers?

Originally posted by stiritup:

Hey, realnursealso, Want to be treated as a PROFESSIONAL, get a PROFESSIONAL DEGREE. However, this will take 4 years of college; not ONE year!!! :D

On, now that's professional. Your name says it all!

:rolleyes:

Originally posted by stiritup:

Hey, realnursealso, Want to be treated as a PROFESSIONAL, get a PROFESSIONAL DEGREE. However, this will take 4 years of college; not ONE year!!! :D

On, now that's professional. Your name says it all!

:rolleyes:

Specializes in Everything except surgery.
Originally posted by davisll:

Brownsm46,

Wow this is horifice, I agree that you have a great amount of education but some of us can not afford to attend college for BSN. Personally I don't see the need to have to take all those English, Speech, etc course to become a nurse. I don't think any of the non-nursing courses except maybe Math, or Psych. are necessary in the working world. I don't think that most of us as LPN's want to be treated like a BSN nurse, but I do think we would like to be treated like a nurse who has education and skills to accomplish the work that we have to do. I have respect for all nurse whether they are an LPN, ADN, or BSN. I respect those that respect me for what I do. I do, however, believe that BSN nurses are basically trained for management, which is fine, but I believe that LPNs, and ADNs are more trained for technical and skills, most the the nurses that I have worked with are mainly LPNs and ADNs and most want to work hands-on and not managment, that's why we choose what we choose. Not to mention that most of us that are LPNs or ADNs are family oriented and do not have the time or money to pursue the BSN degree. I personally think that what you said is very hurtful, we are all trying our best to provide for our patients in a professional manner, no matter what the degree. An I personally don't think anyone would like a monkey to insert a foley. I appreciate you, you should try to appreciate and respect others less educated then you, but that may have the skills to get the job done. :(

I did NOT write the post, I just copied it here! jason the acnp wrote it, as a response to a post I made, that was NOT meant to be a discussion about the differences between LPNs/RNs. It was in response to a long ago suppose to be, grandfathering of LPN with ADN into being "Technical Nurses". I also NEVER said I thought this should happened, I just stated, that I too, had heard about it waaaaaaay back in 1979! Heard about it...period! This then erupted into a discussion as to how LPNs shouldn't be allowed to "fast track" into being an RN, and should be required to do the whole two years, as stated by jason,...NOT ME! I responded, that fast track programs have their purpose, whether it is LPN to ADN or ADN to BSN, and this post was responded to by jason, with the above response!

I'm an LPN/VN, meaning I have licenses in states that use both terms, and have NEVER even realized that there were RNs, who held such beliefs about LPNs! I was totally appalled by the response, and those who rallied to defend what HE posted! I posted it on many different forums, as a way to allow other LPN/VNs, to be aware of the mentality of some RNs, but thankfully NOT ALL! I'm grateful to have worked, and at this moment, still work with BSNs, who do remember where they came from, and who don't look down their noses at anyone! Who allow me to feel like I make a different on the unit, WE ALL work on. On this unit, you would be hard pressed to know who was who, because everyone makes a contribution, and they're encouraged to think for themselves, and be advocates for their pts. We have a GOOD unit, an I'm proud to working with such PROFESSIONALS! To the secure, and competent RNs, at the VA Hospital in Seattle, I salute YOU! I'm so lucky that the ones I have worked with thus far, have no such insecurities, that would cause them to try, and make me, or anyone else feel less than those who don't have a BSN!

Brownie

:D :D

[ May 09, 2001: Message edited by: Brownms46 ]

Specializes in Everything except surgery.
Originally posted by davisll:

Brownsm46,

Wow this is horifice, I agree that you have a great amount of education but some of us can not afford to attend college for BSN. Personally I don't see the need to have to take all those English, Speech, etc course to become a nurse. I don't think any of the non-nursing courses except maybe Math, or Psych. are necessary in the working world. I don't think that most of us as LPN's want to be treated like a BSN nurse, but I do think we would like to be treated like a nurse who has education and skills to accomplish the work that we have to do. I have respect for all nurse whether they are an LPN, ADN, or BSN. I respect those that respect me for what I do. I do, however, believe that BSN nurses are basically trained for management, which is fine, but I believe that LPNs, and ADNs are more trained for technical and skills, most the the nurses that I have worked with are mainly LPNs and ADNs and most want to work hands-on and not managment, that's why we choose what we choose. Not to mention that most of us that are LPNs or ADNs are family oriented and do not have the time or money to pursue the BSN degree. I personally think that what you said is very hurtful, we are all trying our best to provide for our patients in a professional manner, no matter what the degree. An I personally don't think anyone would like a monkey to insert a foley. I appreciate you, you should try to appreciate and respect others less educated then you, but that may have the skills to get the job done. :(

I did NOT write the post, I just copied it here! jason the acnp wrote it, as a response to a post I made, that was NOT meant to be a discussion about the differences between LPNs/RNs. It was in response to a long ago suppose to be, grandfathering of LPN with ADN into being "Technical Nurses". I also NEVER said I thought this should happened, I just stated, that I too, had heard about it waaaaaaay back in 1979! Heard about it...period! This then erupted into a discussion as to how LPNs shouldn't be allowed to "fast track" into being an RN, and should be required to do the whole two years, as stated by jason,...NOT ME! I responded, that fast track programs have their purpose, whether it is LPN to ADN or ADN to BSN, and this post was responded to by jason, with the above response!

I'm an LPN/VN, meaning I have licenses in states that use both terms, and have NEVER even realized that there were RNs, who held such beliefs about LPNs! I was totally appalled by the response, and those who rallied to defend what HE posted! I posted it on many different forums, as a way to allow other LPN/VNs, to be aware of the mentality of some RNs, but thankfully NOT ALL! I'm grateful to have worked, and at this moment, still work with BSNs, who do remember where they came from, and who don't look down their noses at anyone! Who allow me to feel like I make a different on the unit, WE ALL work on. On this unit, you would be hard pressed to know who was who, because everyone makes a contribution, and they're encouraged to think for themselves, and be advocates for their pts. We have a GOOD unit, an I'm proud to working with such PROFESSIONALS! To the secure, and competent RNs, at the VA Hospital in Seattle, I salute YOU! I'm so lucky that the ones I have worked with thus far, have no such insecurities, that would cause them to try, and make me, or anyone else feel less than those who don't have a BSN!

Brownie

:D :D

[ May 09, 2001: Message edited by: Brownms46 ]

Hello People!!!!! You still don't get it.

1. Nurses are nurses. Personally I myself am not looking for "professional recognition". I simply happened upon the ANA website one day and thought, "hmmm, that looks interesting, keep updated on things, newsletters, etc." and thought I'd join. UNTIL THEY SAID "WE DON'T ACCEPT LPNs". And I felt a little discriminated against. And for the idiot who made a comparison to Playboy, and the KKK? Well your choice in the content of your post tells all. Apparently he is watching too much Jerry Springer. To reiterate--- MY BEEF WITH ANA AMERICAN NURSES ASSOCIATION, IS SIMPLY THIS: if you are going to call yourself the AMERICAN NURSES association-than you should be allowing American Nurses to join.PERIOD!! I am American. I am a nurse.PERIOD. That's it , it's that simple. I was a little discouraged that as bad as it is out there, we're still chewing each other up. Yes, I will agree whole heartedly that the more education you have , the more educated you are. DUH!!!!-To all you RN's no matter what you call yourself! BUT LET'S NOT FORGET ONE THING! COMMON SENSE! not every RN is brilliant, and not every LPN is a dimly lit bulb!You have to be able to apply what you've learned as well. stop with the predjudism and segregation and maybe we can get something done for the good of the cause.

Hello People!!!!! You still don't get it.

1. Nurses are nurses. Personally I myself am not looking for "professional recognition". I simply happened upon the ANA website one day and thought, "hmmm, that looks interesting, keep updated on things, newsletters, etc." and thought I'd join. UNTIL THEY SAID "WE DON'T ACCEPT LPNs". And I felt a little discriminated against. And for the idiot who made a comparison to Playboy, and the KKK? Well your choice in the content of your post tells all. Apparently he is watching too much Jerry Springer. To reiterate--- MY BEEF WITH ANA AMERICAN NURSES ASSOCIATION, IS SIMPLY THIS: if you are going to call yourself the AMERICAN NURSES association-than you should be allowing American Nurses to join.PERIOD!! I am American. I am a nurse.PERIOD. That's it , it's that simple. I was a little discouraged that as bad as it is out there, we're still chewing each other up. Yes, I will agree whole heartedly that the more education you have , the more educated you are. DUH!!!!-To all you RN's no matter what you call yourself! BUT LET'S NOT FORGET ONE THING! COMMON SENSE! not every RN is brilliant, and not every LPN is a dimly lit bulb!You have to be able to apply what you've learned as well. stop with the predjudism and segregation and maybe we can get something done for the good of the cause.

OK ****HOTSPAM***** THIS ONE'S FOR YOU...

IF the ANA wishes to represent the BSN as a professional nurse? hooray! bravo! congratulations AMERICAN BSN ASSOCIATION! ARE you getting me now?

The ambiguity of their name is the issue here, and you would be cheering me on if they excluded you as the ADN. I never made any reference to wanting to feel more like a professional. I only made reference to the fact that if you are to call yourself American Nurses Association, and only allow critical care nurses,or only white nurses, and to add further insult, imply that these other nurses arent worthy of membership. Maybe someone ,somewhere needs to redefine NURSE. You can bet your ADN that there would be a hefty lawsuit filed. And as for recognition? Were looking to be acknowledged as a NURSE.I think you can easily compare LPN with ADN. Keep in mind that nursing isn't the only factor here. If you're going to say that "FRED" will be a better nurse than "JIM" because he has ADN vs LPN. It's simply not so. I know a good many RNs that can't apply what they've "learned".You need to remember that Fred and Jim may not have started out on the same playing field intellectually.Maybe your RN student was a poor High School student and your LPN student was top of his class? Just because a person is a LPN/LVN, don't dare assume that it's the extent of their knowledge. Experience is a major factor, and outside education. I wouldn't be too hasty to cast stones at LPNs, we're only a few classes away.

OK ****HOTSPAM***** THIS ONE'S FOR YOU...

IF the ANA wishes to represent the BSN as a professional nurse? hooray! bravo! congratulations AMERICAN BSN ASSOCIATION! ARE you getting me now?

The ambiguity of their name is the issue here, and you would be cheering me on if they excluded you as the ADN. I never made any reference to wanting to feel more like a professional. I only made reference to the fact that if you are to call yourself American Nurses Association, and only allow critical care nurses,or only white nurses, and to add further insult, imply that these other nurses arent worthy of membership. Maybe someone ,somewhere needs to redefine NURSE. You can bet your ADN that there would be a hefty lawsuit filed. And as for recognition? Were looking to be acknowledged as a NURSE.I think you can easily compare LPN with ADN. Keep in mind that nursing isn't the only factor here. If you're going to say that "FRED" will be a better nurse than "JIM" because he has ADN vs LPN. It's simply not so. I know a good many RNs that can't apply what they've "learned".You need to remember that Fred and Jim may not have started out on the same playing field intellectually.Maybe your RN student was a poor High School student and your LPN student was top of his class? Just because a person is a LPN/LVN, don't dare assume that it's the extent of their knowledge. Experience is a major factor, and outside education. I wouldn't be too hasty to cast stones at LPNs, we're only a few classes away.

OK, I agree, However, if you don't want to recognize the ANA as being the voices of all nurses, then you must not engaGE in any of the workplace rights they have fought for. So when you get stuck WITH a needle, do not use the legislation they fought for to cover youR A#$. DO NOT USE ANYTHING THAT THE ANA HAS FOUGHT FOR OVER THE LAST 100 YEARS AND SEE HOW LEFT OUT IN THE COLD YOU REALLY ARE. I cn't beleive that people with this type of IQ is even allowed in the profession. MAKES ME WONDER, WHAT IS THE CRITERIA FOR ENTRANCE??????????

[ May 10, 2001: Message edited by: Level2Trauma ]

OK, I agree, However, if you don't want to recognize the ANA as being the voices of all nurses, then you must not engaGE in any of the workplace rights they have fought for. So when you get stuck WITH a needle, do not use the legislation they fought for to cover youR A#$. DO NOT USE ANYTHING THAT THE ANA HAS FOUGHT FOR OVER THE LAST 100 YEARS AND SEE HOW LEFT OUT IN THE COLD YOU REALLY ARE. I cn't beleive that people with this type of IQ is even allowed in the profession. MAKES ME WONDER, WHAT IS THE CRITERIA FOR ENTRANCE??????????

[ May 10, 2001: Message edited by: Level2Trauma ]

That was uncalled for, as well as other posts that more or less have told the original poster what an idoit she/he is. Why is that there can not be discussion about something without someone resorting to these type of comments and such? Would I offend you how you managed to get into the field based on the nastiness you have just displayed? Jeez, I read stuff like this and am ashamed that people who profess to give a damn about people they know nothing about and are willing to take care of them no matter what the patient does or has, cannot extend a bit of the same caring and courtesy they give to those strangers they have very little if anything in common with. An LPN is a nurse, an ADN is a nurse, and so on. Why is it such a stretch to think that we could simply acknowledge that each role plays an important part in the healthcare system and celebrate those roles instead of degrading one another. We continue to cut off our nose to spite our face and continue to wonder why we have such little respect from employers, could it be because we can't even respect one another?

That was uncalled for, as well as other posts that more or less have told the original poster what an idoit she/he is. Why is that there can not be discussion about something without someone resorting to these type of comments and such? Would I offend you how you managed to get into the field based on the nastiness you have just displayed? Jeez, I read stuff like this and am ashamed that people who profess to give a damn about people they know nothing about and are willing to take care of them no matter what the patient does or has, cannot extend a bit of the same caring and courtesy they give to those strangers they have very little if anything in common with. An LPN is a nurse, an ADN is a nurse, and so on. Why is it such a stretch to think that we could simply acknowledge that each role plays an important part in the healthcare system and celebrate those roles instead of degrading one another. We continue to cut off our nose to spite our face and continue to wonder why we have such little respect from employers, could it be because we can't even respect one another?

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