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ANA discriminates against LPN/LVN

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"I will be happy to go back and review their stances but until I see action....it's just lipservice to keep the troops in line"

"Unless the ANA starts getting vocal and radical about the current crisis and it's causes they will be nothing more than a paper general"

"When and if the ANA decides that they truly want to be the voice for ALL nurses, and will tackle the issues of the bedside nurse with action, not words, than I will happily join with them."

well ... realizing that non-members may not always be aware of whats happening in our organziation, much info has been posted on this BB showing you all that action, yet non-members continue to say they havent seen any action or changes or any work for direct-care nurses. So obviously they havent bothered to read any of that info or update themselves at all. If they had, they wouldnt be able to say they dont see any action. The info is all right there for you to update yourself on whats been going on & how the ANA is out there, IS vocal & IS tackling the issues with the bedside nurse. If people choose to keep their eyes closed & not see it, nobody can do much about that.

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anybody joining us for the big events in several states around the country this week & in Washington DC next month to publicize the staffing crisis & to lobby at the Capitols for our workplace issues, or are we ANA members the ONLY ones who will be out there, vocal, and taking any action to solve the problem?

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"I will be happy to go back and review their stances but until I see action....it's just lipservice to keep the troops in line"

"Unless the ANA starts getting vocal and radical about the current crisis and it's causes they will be nothing more than a paper general"

"When and if the ANA decides that they truly want to be the voice for ALL nurses, and will tackle the issues of the bedside nurse with action, not words, than I will happily join with them."

well ... realizing that non-members may not always be aware of whats happening in our organziation, much info has been posted on this BB showing you all that action, yet non-members continue to say they havent seen any action or changes or any work for direct-care nurses. So obviously they havent bothered to read any of that info or update themselves at all. If they had, they wouldnt be able to say they dont see any action. The info is all right there for you to update yourself on whats been going on & how the ANA is out there, IS vocal & IS tackling the issues with the bedside nurse. If people choose to keep their eyes closed & not see it, nobody can do much about that.

ps

anybody joining us for the big events in several states around the country this week & in Washington DC next month to publicize the staffing crisis & to lobby at the Capitols for our workplace issues, or are we ANA members the ONLY ones who will be out there, vocal, and taking any action to solve the problem?

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NO JT WE ARE NOT JOINING YOU! START AN ORGANIZATION THAT INCLUDES ALL NURSES AND SOMEONE MIGHT! IF THE ana CAN'T EVEN GET ALL THE RN'S TO GO ALONG WITH YOU HOW CAN YOU EXPECT ANY RESPECT FROM OTHER PROFESSIONALS. AND DON'T BOTHER EMAILING ME WITH A BUNCH OF ANA PROPAGANDA LIKE YOU DID WHEN I EXPRESSED AN INTEREST IN THE MMM. IF AN ORGANIZATION WANTS SUPPORT IT'S A TWO WAY STREET.

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NO JT WE ARE NOT JOINING YOU! START AN ORGANIZATION THAT INCLUDES ALL NURSES AND SOMEONE MIGHT! IF THE ana CAN'T EVEN GET ALL THE RN'S TO GO ALONG WITH YOU HOW CAN YOU EXPECT ANY RESPECT FROM OTHER PROFESSIONALS. AND DON'T BOTHER EMAILING ME WITH A BUNCH OF ANA PROPAGANDA LIKE YOU DID WHEN I EXPRESSED AN INTEREST IN THE MMM. IF AN ORGANIZATION WANTS SUPPORT IT'S A TWO WAY STREET.

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I can only look at the facts before me at this point. Working conditions were getting so bad out here in California and it seemed impossible to mobilize for any kind of change. We were getting no help! It wasn't until we broke from the ANA, that the CNA was able to move into high gear. I have been amazed at how quickly and powerfully they have responded to nurse's needs. We now have the first nurse/patient ratio bill in the nation and a whistle-blower law to protect nurses from being fired for speaking up about healthcare conditions. And the movement continues to gain momentum!!!

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I can only look at the facts before me at this point. Working conditions were getting so bad out here in California and it seemed impossible to mobilize for any kind of change. We were getting no help! It wasn't until we broke from the ANA, that the CNA was able to move into high gear. I have been amazed at how quickly and powerfully they have responded to nurse's needs. We now have the first nurse/patient ratio bill in the nation and a whistle-blower law to protect nurses from being fired for speaking up about healthcare conditions. And the movement continues to gain momentum!!!

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Hey, realnursealso, Want to be treated as a PROFESSIONAL, get a PROFESSIONAL DEGREE. However, this will take 4 years of college; not ONE year!!! :D

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Hey, realnursealso, Want to be treated as a PROFESSIONAL, get a PROFESSIONAL DEGREE. However, this will take 4 years of college; not ONE year!!! :D

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Originally posted by stiritup:

Hey, realnursealso, Want to be treated as a PROFESSIONAL, get a PROFESSIONAL DEGREE. However, this will take 4 years of college; not ONE year!!! :D

- i guess you just did . :( - why ?

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Originally posted by stiritup:

Hey, realnursealso, Want to be treated as a PROFESSIONAL, get a PROFESSIONAL DEGREE. However, this will take 4 years of college; not ONE year!!! :D

- i guess you just did . :( - why ?

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Now this is interesting, I am the fence post rider on this ANA issue, waiting and watching, but came across this piece of reading...Essentially we have created this heirachy ourselves, but technically the ANA was extremely instrumental in creating the divisions we now suffer from in this profession. Same arguments for 50 years does lend credence to the ANA being responsible.So let us see if they are able to also make the changes to right some of the wrongs so to speak. It is possible, time will tell...

Quote from the ANA website:

"The Flexner report prompted much introspection about nursing's ability to meet the new standards (Wuest, 1994) and stimulated a long and arduous process of redefining the profession of nursing and working to change external perceptions in order that nursing could attain a professional status equal to that ascribed to medicine and the other professions. To that end, over the past 80 plus years, we have seen an expansion and standardization of nursing curricula; attempts to raise academic requirements for entry-level practitioners; the establishment of nursing's own research agenda and an expansion of its scientific knowledge base; the development of nursing theories; and the establishment of increasingly autonomous practice that includes prescriptive authority, admission privileges, and direct reimbursement from federal insurance. During the process of working to advance nursing as a profession, some distinct divisions began to emerge among RNs that are being played out, even today, especially regarding attempts to organize for collective bargaining.

As nursing bought into the popular definition of professionalism and began to lay out the process by which it would attain that identity, it simultaneously began to eschew some of the attributes long associated with nursing. When baccalaureate programs appeared as a means to professionalize nursing (the major focus of these programs was on nursing education and administration), distinctions between academically prepared nurses and those coming from traditional hospital "apprenticeship" programs began to surface and prompted debate about "whose work was the most meaningful" (Wuest, 1994). Over time, increasingly higher status was given to those in nursing positions remote from the bedside and direct care. In attempting to professionalize nursing by distancing itself from those traditional roles and activities that have negative, historically feminine overtones, but that many RNs embrace as a satisfying and necessary part of patient care, nursing has ultimately created divisions within its own ranks and validated external speculations about a house in disorder."

I also agree that there should be equal representation if called the "American Nursing Association" and I also believe it is and was intended at the time to be established in an elitist view, what are they willing to do now is the question?

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Now this is interesting, I am the fence post rider on this ANA issue, waiting and watching, but came across this piece of reading...Essentially we have created this heirachy ourselves, but technically the ANA was extremely instrumental in creating the divisions we now suffer from in this profession. Same arguments for 50 years does lend credence to the ANA being responsible.So let us see if they are able to also make the changes to right some of the wrongs so to speak. It is possible, time will tell...

Quote from the ANA website:

"The Flexner report prompted much introspection about nursing's ability to meet the new standards (Wuest, 1994) and stimulated a long and arduous process of redefining the profession of nursing and working to change external perceptions in order that nursing could attain a professional status equal to that ascribed to medicine and the other professions. To that end, over the past 80 plus years, we have seen an expansion and standardization of nursing curricula; attempts to raise academic requirements for entry-level practitioners; the establishment of nursing's own research agenda and an expansion of its scientific knowledge base; the development of nursing theories; and the establishment of increasingly autonomous practice that includes prescriptive authority, admission privileges, and direct reimbursement from federal insurance. During the process of working to advance nursing as a profession, some distinct divisions began to emerge among RNs that are being played out, even today, especially regarding attempts to organize for collective bargaining.

As nursing bought into the popular definition of professionalism and began to lay out the process by which it would attain that identity, it simultaneously began to eschew some of the attributes long associated with nursing. When baccalaureate programs appeared as a means to professionalize nursing (the major focus of these programs was on nursing education and administration), distinctions between academically prepared nurses and those coming from traditional hospital "apprenticeship" programs began to surface and prompted debate about "whose work was the most meaningful" (Wuest, 1994). Over time, increasingly higher status was given to those in nursing positions remote from the bedside and direct care. In attempting to professionalize nursing by distancing itself from those traditional roles and activities that have negative, historically feminine overtones, but that many RNs embrace as a satisfying and necessary part of patient care, nursing has ultimately created divisions within its own ranks and validated external speculations about a house in disorder."

I also agree that there should be equal representation if called the "American Nursing Association" and I also believe it is and was intended at the time to be established in an elitist view, what are they willing to do now is the question?

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