there are hundreds, maybe even thousands, of posts here pertaining to the current immigration and economic situation of the us. in addition, the situation is also being played out in the media all over the world (i would think). with all of these information out there, i think most, if not all, foreign nurses are already aware of the sad realities of wanting to work in the us.
i got the following lines from the novel the alchemist by paulo coelho:
"... the soul of the world is nourished by people's happiness... to realize one's destiny is a person's only real obligation...
and, when you want something, all the universe conspires in helping you to achieve it."
so, to all my fellow pinoy rns out there who are still dreaming of one day being able to work in the us as a registered nurse, don't lose hope. do not be discouraged. you will meet a lot of people who get pleasure from splashing water over the smallest ember of hope that you may have. but, no one could/should ever tell you that your dreams are beyond your reach.
in my opinion, we are all brothers/sisters in the world of nursing and we should be benevolent enough to welcome and help our colleagues on their way in as we, ourselves, may be on our way out.
Hello folks! I was in the Philippines for a short vacation. I came back to the U.S. to take care of some urgent matters, ie: my final retirement papers/lifetime monthly pension from a government-owned hospital here in California. Yes, I may be "retired" as a U.S. nurse after 27 years, but only temporarily.
I will be flying back to the Philippines in just several hours! I'll be there for a while. I plan to spend Christams in the land where I was born.
When I come back home to California I will choose between two jobs that have been offered to me. I will be working for a private hospital this time around.
America is a land of opportunity, (there is a "but" here) but you have to work very hard if you want to achieve an upper middle-class income. Many staff RNs in the SF Bay Area with enough seniority earn more than $120,000/year. (If you are married, then your total family income will be much more than this figure.)
To the Filipino nurses who dream of working in the U.S. just pray that retrogression will end sooner rather than later, but at the same time be realistic. Unemployment is worsening in the U.S. and the Federal government, I think, is in no mood to admit more foreign workers.
"If there is anyone out there who still doubts that America is a place where all things are possible, who still wonders if the dream of our founders is alive in our time, who still questions the power of our democracy, tonight is your answer."- President Elect Barack Obama
So are you saying, in nursing terms, if your patient is dying and death is around the corner. You would tell the patient and family not to loose hope. You never give up hope even in dire situations? You always give hope even when the overwhelming changes are against you.
I can tell you, nursing satisfaction is now measure by Medicare, this type of false hope would give your hospital and nursing unit and bad name. Unless President Elect Obama changes this ( I think their will be more of this type of government regualtion) US nursing mandates you have to be honest, educate, and inform your patients.
I don't think these people's dreams are terminally ill...
These nurses are in their 20s, give them their dreams because nothing in this world is absolute...unless the world will end tomorrow,they will always have hope.
People have lived to tell about their experiences during the wars, the Great Depression, etc..we cannot say if one day, these nurses who are dreaming will reach their dreams..and will be writing their autobiography with the words, "During the stock market crash of 2008, I was a nurse in the Philippines, educated, but hungry..."
when i was still in school, i learned about the great depression of the 1930s. i also learned that after the bombing of pearl harbor on december 7, 1941 ("... a date which will live in infamy." -- franklin delano roosevelt), several advisors of then-president fdr said that the empire of japan couldn't be beaten. and i was watching on tv when the two towers fell on that tragic day of 9-11.
we all know what happened then.
i guess i'm just a sentimental fool.
i have faith in america. i still believe that it is a land of opportunities. i believe in the resiliency, strength of character, and the indomitable spirit of the american people. that is why i will never compare the us to a terminally ill patient. if some people think that the us is dying, that is their opinion and i respect that. i am not here to argue.
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alexk49 said it all...:)
and as U.S. falter, tremble, weaken and struggle along with the world...how could still have time to dream? Perhaps, real work and real things will help a bit more. good luck, God bless, and good day!
and as for hope, it is but a double edged blade...you can never know if it will work for your advantage..
I dont see any logic in comparing Death with the American Dream. The history of America is full of dreamers with their seemingly impossible dreams. Independence,the abolition of slavery, womens right to vote, desegregation of schools and a lot more were dreams of great Americans. What could have been if these were not pursued? If these dreams were not given hope?If those dreamers gave up?
Yes there is a financial crisis in America. Would someone disagree with me that America will not come out of it? It is not that bleak for goodness sake!!!Do we see lootings here? People lining up to get water and food rations? Absence of basic utilities? Do we see people's unrest? NONE!! We see people still in malls, in football games, in coffee shops, in bars, in cinemas, going on tours, going in vacations, doing their usual stuff BUT doing so in a cheaper way(I used to buy Heiniken beer but now I buy Bud when there is a quorom). I sometimes even wonder if there is really a crisis going on.
Yes there are job lay-offs but there are lots of jobs also available IF you are not picky. If you can swallow your pride then jobs are available EVERYWHERE. Again, would somebody disagree with me on that?
Anyone and I mean ANYONE can survive this crisis, well... maybe a dumb,lazy and picky person would not. If you can survive in the Philippines then you can ride this one out smiling.
One more thing, I believe this poem is engraved and inside the Statue of Liberty:
The New Colossus
By Emma Lazarus, 1883
Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame,
With conquering limbs astride from land to land;
Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand
A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame
Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name
Mother of Exiles. From her beacon-hand
Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command
The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame.
"Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!" cries she
I am no way of referring to the US as a dying. Americans are strong, my parents lived through WW1 and WW2, they dated during the depression, they saw Americans land on the moon. My dad was an immigrant, he was very proud to be an American and always put America first. He spent every dollar he made in the USA and he always very proud of his heritage but lived his life as American first.
What I am referring to is the Fact there are 400,000 Philippine RN and another 800,000 in nursing school. At best of times there are limited VISAs granted. So 1,000,000 nurses competing 10,000 chances to enter the USA and that includes all professions. That is 1% chance under the best scenario to enter the USA. If I was selling any product any told you it would work, yet I knew that it only worked for 1% of the people you would call me a fraud. Yet that is the situation going on where everyone thinks that are going to be this 1% or probably less, without making other plans, that is being foolish.
America will be strong, I have no doubt about this. We will recover be strong! The terminal situation is the fact the million plus nurses who are dreaming the American Dream with no visas and very limited jobs. The terminal situation is that for 99% of the nurses their is no American dream.
I am no way of referring to the US as dying. Americans are strong, my parents lived through WW1 and WW2, they dated during the depression, they saw Americans land on the moon. My dad was an immigrant, he was very proud to be an American and always put America first. He spent every dollar he made in the USA and he always very proud of his heritage but lived his life as American first.
What I am referring to is the Fact there are 400,000 Philippine RN and another 800,000 in nursing school. At best of times there are limited VISAs granted. So 1,000,000 nurses competing 10,000 chances to enter the USA and that includes all professions. That is 1% chance under the best scenario to enter the USA. If I was selling any product any told you it would work, yet I knew that it only worked for 1% of the people you would call me a fraud. Yet that is the situation going on where everyone thinks that are going to be this 1% or probably less, without making other plans, that is being foolish.
America will be strong, I have no doubt about this. We will recover be strong! The terminal situation is the fact the million plus nurses who are dreaming the American Dream with no visas and very limited jobs. The terminal situation is that for 99% of the nurses their is no American dream.
No one has the right to tell the 99% of those 1,000,000 + nurses that their American Dream is a NO DREAM. It is their dream if that is their dream for that matter. It is everyones right to dream.We are not even entirely sure if all of them have the American Dream. Even if there are a 10 million nurses who wants to come here and there are only 10 visas available then that is their problem. Let them work hard for their dream. Survival of the fittest. As long as America is the land of the free and accepts nurses and gives them permanent residency then there is HOPE fo each and every one of those 1,000,000+ nurses who dreams of coming here.PEACE:redbeathe:p:heartbeat
I guess this must be a difference in belief system. I would not encourage my family or friends to dream the impossible, especially if they were putting financial resources into this dream.
My son is a history major, has a BA in history,when he spoke to his advisor and stated he wanted to go to graduate school but not to become a professor, his advisor stated you would be wasting your money and not be employable, I was grateful. Should his advisor just have given the recommendation even though she kill his dream of being a historian. I think in your world she was wrong in my world I was very relieved as a parent.
No one has the right to tell the 99% of those 1,000,000 + nurses that their American Dream is a NO DREAM. It is their dream if that is their dream for that matter. It is everyones right to dream.We are not even entirely sure if all of them have the American Dream. Even if there are a 10 million nurses who wants to come here and there are only 10 visas available then that is their problem. Let them work hard for their dream. Survival of the fittest. As long as America is the land of the free and accepts nurses and gives them permanent residency then there is HOPE fo each and every one of those 1,000,000+ nurses who dreams of coming here.PEACE:redbeathe:p:heartbeat
I don't think that anybody is saying not to dream. Keep dreaming, if that's what keeps you going then do it. Maybe your dream will come true, maybe you will be one in the few that gets selected. But I think what the poster is trying to do is to also look at reality. You can dream, but you must also be realistic and also have a back up plan. Good Luck
besides not all who graduated from the PI will be all going to the u.s.a. visas are moving very slow but it is still moving, and there will be always hope 4 us. there are lots of rn jobs in other countries, its just that most of us have lots of relatives in the US thats why we prefer 2 go there. it will be more faster route than family based visas.
No one has the right to tell the 99% of those 1,000,000 + nurses that their American Dream is a NO DREAM. It is their dream if that is their dream for that matter. It is everyones right to dream.We are not even entirely sure if all of them have the American Dream. Even if there are a 10 million nurses who wants to come here and there are only 10 visas available then that is their problem. Let them work hard for their dream. Survival of the fittest. As long as America is the land of the free and accepts nurses and gives them permanent residency then there is HOPE fo each and every one of those 1,000,000+ nurses who dreams of coming here.PEACE:redbeathe:p:heartbeat
And I agree with you.
Filipino Nurses are very Flexible, and very "Global",they are found in all parts of the world, working, they are considered the present day heroes in the Philippines bec of their remittances, w/c is a big help to the Philippine economy. These Filipino Nurses' average age is 25 yrs old, compared to American Nurses who have an average age of 45 - 50 yrs old. Filipino Nurses can wait 3 -5 yrs, for sure they have options, Filipino Nurses are applying to work in the Middle East, Singapore, Europe, Canada. but their final destination for sure will become a US Immigrant. Throw them those Nclex, CGFNS, English Exams, increase those immigration and application fees, they will still apply and pursue their dreams. Life is very hard in the Philippines compared to what the US is experiencing right now, if life is getting hard in the US, life in the Philippines is much harder. Since birth most of the Filipinos are living life hard. These are veterans of lifes' hardship, and are willing to face it head on. :wink2:
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Hello folks! I was in the Philippines for a short vacation. I came back to the U.S. to take care of some urgent matters, ie: my final retirement papers/lifetime monthly pension from a government-owned hospital here in California. Yes, I may be "retired" as a U.S. nurse after 27 years, but only temporarily.
I will be flying back to the Philippines in just several hours! I'll be there for a while. I plan to spend Christams in the land where I was born.
When I come back home to California I will choose between two jobs that have been offered to me. I will be working for a private hospital this time around.
America is a land of opportunity, (there is a "but" here) but you have to work very hard if you want to achieve an upper middle-class income. Many staff RNs in the SF Bay Area with enough seniority earn more than $120,000/year. (If you are married, then your total family income will be much more than this figure.)
To the Filipino nurses who dream of working in the U.S. just pray that retrogression will end sooner rather than later, but at the same time be realistic. Unemployment is worsening in the U.S. and the Federal government, I think, is in no mood to admit more foreign workers.
Just pray and hope.
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