Am I over-thinking, or are these just bad test questions?

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I'm a Freshman I student in an ADN program. I'm getting really frusterated with what I feel are some poorly written test questions. I get the idea that the test questions are supposed to mimic the NCLEX by having the 'critical thinking', judgement-based questions, but I think some of the questions that I've gotten wrong this semester have logical fallacies that make the question invalid. I want opinions from you guys: are these really bad questions, or am I just 'over-thinking' them, as my instructors tell me?

Question #1:

Your client tells you he is feeling pain in a location different from where it started. You know his type of pain is....

a. referred

b. viseral

c. radiating

d. cutaneous

I picked 'c', and was wrong. The answer given by the teacher is 'a', referred. My impression of referred pain is that pain is not felt at the site of tissue damage, but is felt in a different location....so 'referred' would be the correct answer if the question read ...'Your client tells you he is feeling pain in a location different from the site of tissue damage. But, the way the question is written, 'it' refers to pain, and it is true to say that radiating pain is pain that is felt in one location, and then is felt in a different location (as it radiates from one location to the next).

Question #2

What is the surgical classification for cataract removal?

a. major

b. urgent

c. restorative

d. cosmetic

I don't think any of these answers are correct, so the question is invalid. The instructor's answer was 'c', restorative. While cataract removal does result in restored vision, the definition for restorative surgery is that is 'restores function or appearance to traumatized or malfunctioning tissues'; cataract removal does not restore function to the damaged tissue, it removes the tissue and replaces it with an artifical lens. Therefore the classification pertaining to purpose should be 'ablative', or 'ablative and transplant'. I picked 'b', urgent, thinking it was the best answer out of those provided, even though I understand that cataract surgery is better classified as an elective surgery.

3. You are teaching a patient about ways to induce sleep. You will be sure to teach him that...

a. a cup of warm, regular tea before bed will help him sleep.

b. a glass of red wine promotes deep and REM sleep

c. as you age, the length and quality of REM and deep sleep decrease

d. physical activity prevents falling asleep

Again, I think there is not a fully correct answer. C is the only completely true statement, but I would NOT teach my client that if my purpose is to teach about ways to induce sleep because it is not fully relevant to the teaching topic and would obsure the main messages that the patient should learn. I picked 'd', figuring that although physical activity may help promote sleep if it is moderate and well bedfore bedtime, it can also prevent sleep if it is to the point of fatigue or too close to bedtime.

4. Which of the following statements, if stated by your client, would show understanding of the fecal occult test?

a. I must use a 1-2" piece of formed stool

b. I will complete the test over a three day period.

c. I will wait until my cycle starts to do the test.

d. I eat red meat on a daily basis.

The instructor gave the correct answer as 'a'. I had eliminated this choice because it is true to say "You do not have to use a 1-2" piece of formed stool for the fecal occult test, instead, you can use 15 mL of liquid stool. I picked 'b' instead, because the test can be completed over three days....like the Hemoccult test directions say to do. Instructor said it's better to do it over three consecutive stools, which may be true....but I think the question is invalid as written because of the logical error in using the word 'must' in choice 'a', rather than 'can'.

5. A nurse monitors a patient's vital signs and assesses his IV medications for 15 mintues. The nurse does not acknowledge or speak to the patient or the patient's spouse while she is in the room. Which behavior is the nurse best demonstrating?

a. discourtesy

b. unprofessionalism

(c and d were nonsense answers that I can't remember)

I picked 'b', unprofessionalism, while the instructor's correct answer is 'a', discourtesy. The book lists the 'elements of professional communication' as consisting of 'courtesy', 'use of names', 'trustworthiness', 'autonomy and responsibility', and 'assertiveness'. The instructor says discourtesy is the best answer because it it most specific. I think unprofessionalism is a better choice because the nurses behavior in this situation fails to be courteous, to use names, to build trust, and to promote patient autonomy; therefore, unprofessionalism encompasses all the failures in her communication which 'discourtesy' unneccessarily limits the boundaries of the behavior. In either case, I think this question is arbitrary and could have been made a valid question by simply asking 'Which behavior is the nurse most specifically demonstrating?'

Again, am I over-analyzing or do the questions have inherent flaws? Am I misunderstanding the material somehow? Any input is appreciated. As an 'A' is a 93, there is not much room for error on these tests....and I'm debating whether I should try to formally petition a few of these questions if I end up with a 91 or 92 in the class.....

That's true. But here's some advice direct from a "How to Induce Sleep Naturally" guide:

"Exercise regularly. Exercise in the late afternoon or early evening but not within two hours of bedtime."

It doesn't say exercise will PREVENT sleep in the guide. It may hinder the process, but not really prevent it unless you are trying to sleep at 9:01, but running 2 miles at 8:59.

i got all answers correct......havent been in school in 3 yrs...i think you are over thinking....

Specializes in OR.

Reading the questions and answers, I got them all correct according to what I know as an RN and what your instructor claims is the most correct answer. I would have to ask you if maybe you are analyzing your answers too much when deciding what is correct? Nuring isn't just about what is correct, it is also about jugement and how this jugment applys to your patient. I am thinking that you are not getting the answers due to over analysis...Keep studying, breath...(it's ok), and learn from mistakes Hugs to you!

Specializes in OR.

Oh, the question regarding the nurse behaviour...It is not unprofessional to not speak but it is discurtious...How do you know that the nurse isnt trying to not disrupt the patients rest? has a sore throat? Is deaf or has speaking problems, has a lot on her mind? blah blah blah the list can go on and on...You dont have to talk to your patients but it is curtious to do so.

Specializes in Geriatrics.

Although none of those questions are worded that well IMO... nursing is all gray areas. There is never a 100% correct answer, you just have to choose the one that is the "most correct".

Question #1:

Your client tells you he is feeling pain in a location different from where it started. You know his type of pain is....

a. referred

b. viseral

c. radiating

d. cutaneous

Bad question.

Question #2

What is the surgical classification for cataract removal?

a. major

b. urgent

c. restorative

d. cosmetic

Valid

3. You are teaching a patient about ways to induce sleep. You will be sure to teach him that...

a. a cup of warm, regular tea before bed will help him sleep.

b. a glass of red wine promotes deep and REM sleep

c. as you age, the length and quality of REM and deep sleep decrease

d. physical activity prevents falling asleep

Now this is what I am talking about. Although C may not be the BEST answer, out of those 4, it is.

4. Which of the following statements, if stated by your client, would show understanding of the fecal occult test?

a. I must use a 1-2" piece of formed stool

b. I will complete the test over a three day period.

c. I will wait until my cycle starts to do the test.

d. I eat red meat on a daily basis.

Same problem, A might not be the best ANSWER, but it is out of those 4.

5. A nurse monitors a patient's vital signs and assesses his IV medications for 15 mintues. The nurse does not acknowledge or speak to the patient or the patient's spouse while she is in the room. Which behavior is the nurse best demonstrating?

a. discourtesy

b. unprofessionalism

(c and d were nonsense answers that I can't remember)

This is also stupid.

Specializes in Emergency/Cath Lab.
Although none of those questions are worded that well IMO... nursing is all gray areas. There is never a 100% correct answer, you just have to choose the one that is the "most correct".

Question #1:

Your client tells you he is feeling pain in a location different from where it started. You know his type of pain is....

a. referred

b. viseral

c. radiating

d. cutaneous

Bad question.

Can you explain why you think it is a bad question? To me it is a valid one.

Specializes in School Nurse, Maternal Newborn.
Haha. Nursing test questions are a dense, hazy mixture of teacher's homebrewed opinion and half-remembered textbook winding through a twisty maze of syntax-as-a-second-language with only the one true path, and you have no say in what that is. Learn to like it or you'll throw yourself from the train.

Your teacher sounds exceptionally dim though.

I did not find her to necessarily be so-how do you figure that? The questions were worded exactly as the tests for every certification I have ever earned, as well as what I remember nursing boards to have been. Perhaps there are other people that need to not call an instructor "dim", just because they are giving incorrect answers? :smokin:

Referred pain, by definition, is neurogenic pain at a site away from the injury, usually to visceral tissues. Radiating pain has a central point and contiguous areas of pain extending away from the primary site. You could have a radiating referred pain, but I don't think the question is sufficient to suggest that.

I did not find her to necessarily be so-how do you figure that? The questions were worded exactly as the tests for every certification I have ever earned, as well as what I remember nursing boards to have been. Perhaps there are other people that need to not call an instructor "dim", just because they are giving incorrect answers? :smokin:

I actually enjoy questions with wording tricks and analytical, best-answer type questions. I do not enjoy anyone who insists that a clearly wrong answer is correct de facto.

To answer your questions:

*You shouldn't discuss this subject with your instructor. This won't change anything. All of the exams you will take in nursing school will consist of questions like this.

*You should expect you exams to contain such questions, so the only productive thing you can do is to learn how to answer them.

*So how do you answer them?

I know the correct answers not because they make sense in the context of the question, but because I know what they're asking (and no, test-taking strategy, identifying the stem etc is not what i mean). These questions are written in such a way that they work retrograte from the correct answer. "Referred pain" is the correct answer, and from there the test writer needs to create a question and other choices, and he/she does depending on his/her level of creativity and intellect. Precision or clarity of expression is not important to them. You need to know what they want from you.

You willl often see indiscrepancies about "teaching", but this is simply a way of writing a question. You need to know that the quality of sleep decreases with age, and they want to test your knowledge, so how can they frame it into a situational type of question? There could be options like what you got or like this:

"A 75 y.o. patient discusses sleep with the nurse. Which statement, made by the patient, indicates understading of the effect of aging on sleep?"

Or:

"A new nurse is giving a presentation to a group of seniors. Which statement, made by the nurse, indicate correct understanding of an aging process?"

The correct answer is the same.

*Go through as many NCLEX style questions (from ATI, NCLEX reviewers, your study guides etc) as you can, the correct answers and rationales and memorize them. A lot of times, the rationales won't make sense, but you can't argue with them, just memorize. You will soon start to notice that they are concerned with a specific body of skills and knowledge that a nurse must possess. This body of knowledge is different from and more narrow than the content of your textbooks and lectures. If you are able to intuitively isolate it, you will be able to ace the exams, if not -- you just have to go through as many NCLEX style questions as you can and will start seeing the same content, so you will know how to answer them.

*There is no other way around it, and it's pointless to argue, or get angry. I was in your shoes last year, trust me. They won't be changing or adjusting the questions, even if your logic is brilliant; you have to adjust to them to finish nursing school.

I answered all these the same as your instructor and they are all correct and fair questions. I do not see your problem other than you are definitely over-analyzing them. You have to answer the BEST answer from the information provided. Do not read into the questions.

I answered all these the same as your instructor and they are all correct and fair questions..... You have to answer the BEST answer from the information provided.

To me, the terms "best" answer and "correct" answer can be confusing in some cases. Some NCLEX-style questions are such that none of the answers fit perfectly with the question. In such cases, one can imagine several better possible answers but has to choose the "best" of these less-than-best-possible options and that one is considered "correct" even if it's not totally accurate when looked at critically.

Is that fair? It's fair in that all nursing students are subject to this style of testing. Do these types of questions, especially non-peer-reviewed test questions, actually test knowledge and critical thinking? I think that's debatable.

I do not see your problem other than you are definitely over-analyzing them.

I hate to call this "over-analyzing" or "over-thinking". In other contexts, the concerns raised by the OP about some of these example questions is considered a laudable degree of analysis and critical thinking, not too much!

Again, nursing students *do* need to learn how to identify what's the "best" answer in these types of questions, to ask themselves what is this question REALLY asking as opposed to what it may seem to be asking. Students need to learn to do this in order to do well on tests, but *not* IMHO because it helps them to learn to "think like a nurse". :p

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