Air Force initial rank

Not sure about the ADN since you are going in as a NP but I think it does count. What was your experience before you got your NP since not all RN experience counts towards rank. I.e LTC. As far as the “E” pay it should be over 8.

2 hours ago, Jeckrn1 said:

Not sure about the ADN since you are going in as a NP but I think it does count. What was your experience before you got your NP since not all RN experience counts towards rank. I.e LTC. As far as the “E” pay it should be over 8.

I was a PACU and acute pain RN for about 8 years of my career before getting my NP two years ago.

I would think they would count.

If you have 1460 points between active and reserves you will have “E” pay over 8 years. The 8 years will count for retirement if they are good years. A good year in the reserves is 50 points. Your base entry date will change but your initial entry date will not.

Part of it will depend on what they consider as your qualifying degree for joining as an officer, at least that’s how they calculate rank for PHS. I joined as a BSN with 8 years ADN experience and 2 years BSN experience.

I got 4 years Training & Experience Credit for the BSN, and 2 years credit for my time as a BSN. ADN time didn’t count, because clearly practicing as a BSN was at such an advanced level that the ADN time just can’t compare (as someone who held every certification/license from CNA through LPN to now MSN I have certain feelings about the validity of that thought, but oh well).

But for many services, if you commission on as a Bachelor’s prepared RN they will only count that training and time. For NP they would likely give you credit for time spend working on your Bachelors as well as Masters in addition to post-bachelors work experience.

On 12/20/2019 at 6:51 AM, phs_rn said:

Part of it will depend on what they consider as your qualifying degree for joining as an officer, at least that’s how they calculate rank for PHS. I joined as a BSN with 8 years ADN experience and 2 years BSN experience.

I got 4 years Training & Experience Credit for the BSN, and 2 years credit for my time as a BSN. ADN time didn’t count, because clearly practicing as a BSN was at such an advanced level that the ADN time just can’t compare (as someone who held every certification/license from CNA through LPN to now MSN I have certain feelings about the validity of that thought, but oh well).

But for many services, if you commission on as a Bachelor’s prepared RN they will only count that training and time. For NP they would likely give you credit for time spend working on your Bachelors as well as Masters in addition to post-bachelors work experience.

That's incredibly strange. They should cut your BSN years in half and apply that to your rank. ADN experience shouldn't apply to your rank since it isn't qualifying in the military (as you know all RNs are BSN+).

So you got a total of 6 years of credit? 2 years BSN experience should given you1 year credit and then no idea what they did with the 8 years ADN.

Back to the original poster: I would 99% bet that your time as a RN does NOT apply towards credit. You are commissioning as a FNP, not a RN. Your RN experience is now irrelevant because it is an entirely different AFSC. You could be a full fledged cardiothoracic surgeon but if you are commissioning as a RN that experience is irrelevant.

I would assume your full prior enlisted experience should count towards your OE pay. Seems like with your 2 years FNP experience and a MSN you should come in as an O2E with 1 year credit towards rank, and 9 years prior enlisted credit for your pay. You would hit O3E after being in for only a year.

The Army & Air Force will count your ADN time along with your BSN. PHS I believe uses the same standards as the Navy and your ADN time would not count. As far as your E for pay you need 1460 points no matter if it’s active or reserves.

Recruiter ended up having to revise the form as I expected. Expected rank if passing boards will be 03E as I thought.

I am an NP, but wanted to fly and there were no NP positions, so I took a flight nurse position. I commissioned as a Captain 03 based on my education and experience even though my USAF reserve job is a nurse. My initial paperwork said 2nd Lt, so its dynamic and will change most likely by the time you sign your official paperwork.

While it looks like you have already gotten your answer on the rank and such, but I do want to give a giant warning on the likelihood that your pay situation and all of your personnel records could be seriously jacked up for a long time! Hubby just joined last year (late July) and his pay and records JUST NOW have gotten on track. He was prior enlisted as well and apparently it just throws the entire system for a loop. He never did reserves but DEERS had him listed as reserves (not inactive reserve which of course he had done, just plain ole' reserve which he had never done), his MPF stuff had him as an O1 but then had his enlisted AFSC, everything said no dependents (despite the fact that I was a dependent when he was enlisted and he turned in all the paperwork for me and our children while he was at COT), he wasn't getting the pay for his time in service (was getting O1 as though he was brand new and not with his 4+ yrs), his dates were all off, it was all just a mess. They didn't even have him a pay record for close to 5 months and were just making estimated manual payments based off the lowest numbers so that they would owe us and we would not end up owing them when it was all straightened out. I've talked to several other prior enlisted nurses and spouses who have said theirs was the same way taking a minimum of 6mo and lots of MPF office visits and tickets and such to fix. We read of stories where some people did not get paid while at COT and sometimes for a bit of time after, however we were at least luck enough to have gotten some payment during that time as they just put in a flat rate payment while he was there (it was obvious that it wasn't his regular pay). We did eventually get paid back a bunch extra, however I still have to sit down and make sure it somewhat matches up to what he should have gotten. Just don't want you blindsided or unprepared financially for not being paid or for being paid less for a while in the event yours ends up messed up for a while too! :)