Afraid of dying

Silver_Rik, ASN, BSN, RN · Apr 4, 2020

On 3/26/2020 at 3:15 PM, Workitinurfava said:
The news is reporting that healthy people are dying from it. Not that I am trying to scare people.

On 3/26/2020 at 3:33 PM, Jungle-Nurse said:
Yeah well, worldwide, your media outlets aren't exactly known for their truthful news reporting. They reported that the COVID19 virus was able to survive on a plastic surface for 72 hours. What they failed to tell is that after that period of time only 5% of the total amount of virus had survived after 72 hours.

I'm curious what exactly those healthy people died from. If it was actually from a COVID infection, or from secondary infections. Because a healthy person doesn't die from this.

Thoughts and prayers and good luck with your recovery.

If it makes people more susceptible to secondary infections and they die from that, I'm not sure I see a lot of practical point in saying healthy people don't die from this.

That said, in my state we are close to 40 deaths and only 1 has been under 60 years old (and I think they had health problems.) Nurses and the media are going to talk about the previously healthy 33 year old who died, because it's more shocking and tragic than a 92 year old dying.

Finally, do you have links to the studies showing only 5% of the virus survived on plastic after 72 hours. Thanks

2Ask · Apr 4, 2020

This is the data from NYC. They are finally publishing the rates by age. It will be reassuring for those of you under age 44.

https://www1.nyc.gov/site/doh/covid/covid-19-data.page

2Ask · Apr 4, 2020

On the highly publicized deaths of the exceedingly rare younger patient "with no known risk factor" Even though there is no KNOWN risk factor, there could be undiagnosed or undocumented risk factors.

CDC collects data "on presence or absence of underlying health conditions and other recognized risk factors for severe outcomes from respiratory infections" https://www.CDC.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6913e2.htm

There is no mention in the above link of screening for vaping or substance abuse.

Anyone who has taken care of substance abuse patients knows that they are a vulnerable population and can be quite young and their families may not be aware. It would not surprise me to hear that they succumb to this virus at a much higher rate than others in their age range.

2Ask · Apr 4, 2020

16 minutes ago, 2Ask said:
This is the data from NYC. They are finally publishing the rates by age. It will be reassuring for those of you under age 44.
https://www1.nyc.gov/site/doh/covid/covid-19-data.page

Of patients age 0-44 there have been 3 deaths per 100,000 people in NYC.

That is a 0.003% death rate.

LeMa88, BSN, MSN, RN · Apr 4, 2020

? *hug

I work in the ICU now but my experience is 12years and going in other acute areas- This is the first time I get panic/anxiety attack prior to going to work. All the response that you would normally get from an attack like nausea, upset stomach, palpitation, cold hand and difficulty catching my breath. It was bizarre but the positive thing is, as soon as I walk into the ICU unit, see my fellow nurses, we all gear up with our goggle, gown and mask- that made me feel at ease that we are all in this together - we spot each other to ensure we are all safe.

When I finish the 12hours shift, I go home after a long scrub down at work-

Next shift, everything starts again, the upset stomach, palpitation, cold hand..etc..

You are definitely not alone- I keep saying I need to stop working too much and spend more time with the family, kids- but seeing how short staff my unit is, with some staffs already off sick, with the overflow of ICU patents onto other units, we need more hands on as ever. It feels great to be a part of it during this pandemic -

Jungle-Nurse · Apr 7, 2020

On 4/4/2020 at 6:19 PM, Silver_Rik said:
Thoughts and prayers and good luck with your recovery.

If it makes people more susceptible to secondary infections and they die from that, I'm not sure I see a lot of practical point in saying healthy people don't die from this.
That said, in my state we are close to 40 deaths and only 1 has been under 60 years old (and I think they had health problems.) Nurses and the media are going to talk about the previously healthy 33 year old who died, because it's more shocking and tragic than a 92 year old dying.
Finally, do you have links to the studies showing only 5% of the virus survived on plastic after 72 hours. Thanks

Hi Rick,

Thank you for your response. Recovery is going well, thank you so much for asking. Just very tired still.

Sorry for not getting back to you earlier. I’ve gotten the info through Dutch sources so it took me a while to find the study they’re referring to. It seems like this is it:

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2004973?query=featured_home

I hope this answers your question ?.

toomuchbaloney · May 23, 2020

On 3/26/2020 at 10:32 AM, Jungle-Nurse said:
Looks like your media outlets scare you *** while there is no need. I'm a Dutch nurse. I recently found out that I've tested positive for COVID19. I have no idea where/how I contracted it. At our hospital you're getting tested when you have a cough. You won't be allowed to work until the test results are in, which is within 24 hours.
I had a dry cough every now and then this one day. And a slightly sore throat the next. That's when I consulted with my manager and she told me to get tested. The test came back positive.
I'm isolated at home, I take a spray bottle with bleach and some paper towels with me whenever I do have to leave my room and clean everything I touch on my back to my room. I'm in my 4th day after displaying the (very mild!) symptoms. I have some sore muscles and a dry cough. That's it. I'm not dying, I'm not going to die, and neither are my husband and daughter. My daughter still hugs me and gives me kisses, though sporificely ofcourse. Simply because you can't explain to a three year old she can't hug or kiss her mommy any more. She washes her hands and face after. She still hasn't displayed symptoms. My husband had a mild cough and sore muscles for two days and was up and running again after that.
We are not in lockdown here. Our government advises us to stay at home, and only come out to get groceries or for doctor's visits. Shops are closed, except for supermarkets and pharmacies. So we stay at home, we keep our distance, wash our hands. People with mild symptoms get isolated at their own home to take the pressure off the hospitals. Only when you get respiratory problems you're allowed to get medical help when you're positive for COVID19.
Why aren't we in lockdown? Because the virus won't disappear as soon as we've kept people in isolation for a long time. When we let everybody out at once after a lockdown, people will get sick again, and this time a great amount of people at once. Now, we people will get sick, but it will happen gradually, so we can manage the flow of sick people through the medical system.
Most people don't die from this. Hell, I bet you'd be shocked how many people already carry the virus. Most people will get mild symptoms, some may not show symptoms at all.
So take it from a nurse who's actually living through a COVID19-infection: it's not Ebola. If you're in good health, you're going to be fine. Just remember that only the worst cases get admitted to the hospital. We often tend to forget that.

Get back to us when millions of your country men don't have access to basic healthcare and after 90+thousand have died in less than 90 days...all under incompetent political leadership.