Advisor told me to lie!

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I have been in the process of enrolling in the Phoenix Online RN to BSN program. During discussions with my advisor, she asked if I had any work history pertaining to the medical field, and I answered no. I am a new grad. She told me she wasn't sure if Phoenix still required that applicants have one year experience, and she would let me know. She called me yesterday to walk me through the admissions process, and when we got to work history, she told me that we needed to "be creative" and "pad" the form. She encouraged me to use my experience taking care of my daughter with severe cerebral palsy, and call it "home health care assistant", and to say that my supervisor was my pediatrician. This seems a little shady to me, but I thought, well, I'm not really lying, just "being creative". Until today...when I opened an email from her, and she sent me papers that need to be filled out by my employers. I need a recommendation from this pediatrician, who was supposedly a supervisor at one time, and my advisor told me I could have my mom fill it out...I'm not sure why we are bringing my mom into this now. I sent this advisor an email letting her know that I am ending my admissions process with Phoenix Online University, because I feel that we have went from creativity (I am still questioning that!) to LYING! At one point, when I told her that I was uncomfortable "padding" my application into the program she answered, "Well, aren't you honest? I think you are making this harder than it has to be." And that is EXACTLY what she said to me. This whole process has left a very bad taste in my mouth, and I feel like an idiot for not hanging up on her when she started suggesting that I lie to get into the program.

UoP is a for profit school. It is also the largest nursing school in the US graduating about 5000 nurses a year.

You can not judge a school based on one person's bad experience .

Unlike other schools where you have to wait for a semester to begin, you have the ability to start any time. Also if you need a break you can stop and start any time.

I found the courses challenging. It was great to meet nurses from through out the US and beyond. The school also believes in team approach which prepares you for real world experiences.

I had look into other online programs and found may of them to be non responsive ( did not answer my calls or emails).

well, there you go. that's positive input from someone with experience :).

alexk49, what program did you take, what did it cost, and how has it benefited you professionally?

:yeahthat: I would have done the same.

I was contemplating Phoenix Online myself.

I am glad I didn't!

BTW, good luck in Germany.

I agree;it is just like when we get that uh oh feeling as a Nurse. If it smells fishy, then get another fish.

I would think though, this incident, is narrowed down to this poor advisor / instructor. I would hope so.

Specializes in Nephrology, Cardiology, ER, ICU.

I did the BSN completion at UofP - took 18 months and cost about $30,000

I then did the MSN - took 12 months and cost $20,000.

Well worth it to me. I then went to a post-MSN adult health clinical nurse specialist and finished it in May. So...now I'm hitting the pavement looking for APN positions.

Specializes in Cath Lab/Critical Care.
Okay... I'm editing to ask for clarification... did you actually submit anything in writing to U of P yet? If you haven't already actually claimed that your pediatrician was your home health aide supervisor, I'd just go ahead and claim the experience. Is there any reason the pediatrician wouldn't write a letter of recommendation, not as your ''employer'', but as someone who can speak to your daughter's needs and the ability and experience you have gained in meeting them?

I believe that the application was completed and turned in...I can't be entirely certain though, since I was supposed to fax copies of the recommendations to the advisor. In other words, I'm not sure if she is "holding" everything because it isn't complete yet or not, and will submit it when I fax the necessary documents to her. To answer the rest of your question, I do believe that Dr. M would be happy to write a letter of recommendation...he is the one who suggested I go to nursing school in the first place! :lol2:

Specializes in Cath Lab/Critical Care.
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http://www.azcentral.com/families/education/articles/0914apollo14.html

There are lots of other RN to BSN programs out there. Quite a few of them specifically state they will accept new grads. Most of them are substantially less expensive than University of Phoenix.

Wow, thanks for the link...very eye opening.

Specializes in Cath Lab/Critical Care.

I just wanted to make it clear that I am not trying to bash U of P, or start a debate on whether or not it is a good/bad school. I totally agree that the advisor in this case did a poor job, and of course I am not a 4 year old, so I should have called her on it right away instead of feeling intimidated and keeping my mouth shut. In all fairness, I will admit that I had been speaking with an advisor from U of P since last fall, he was a great guy with lots of info that got me interested in the first place. Unfortunately he quit, and I was routed to a new advisor when I called back last week. Ya know, after the 2nd or 3rd time that this advisor couldn't answer my questions, asked me to repeat myself because she was "distracted", and kept reminding me that normally she didn't work so late but stayed over to take my call, I should have asked for someone else. My fault...but I am glad I had a forum where I could vent.

I am glad I had a forum where I could vent.

Anytime, 24/7...

I have a generic MSN, I enrolled before there was specialization. The cost was $20K which included 3 undergraduate course ( I had a BS in Healthcare Adm). It took me 2 years to complete, and I have new position in Quality Improvement.

Specializes in Psychiatry/Substance Abuse.
I think it is a shame that your advisor didn't suggest that you submit your experience in caring for your daughter to University of Phoenix without embellishing the facts. They didn't need the untruthful details! You DO have experience in home health; of a much more intense level than most nurses will gain in their lifetime. It just goes to show you, go with your gut instinct... you didn't feel right about telling the lie in the first place!

Okay... I'm editing to ask for clarification... did you actually submit anything in writing to U of P yet? If you haven't already actually claimed that your pediatrician was your home health aide supervisor, I'd just go ahead and claim the experience. Is there any reason the pediatrician wouldn't write a letter of recommendation, not as your ''employer'', but as someone who can speak to your daughter's needs and the ability and experience you have gained in meeting them?

I agree. The experience at home is invaluable. The truth is the truth. The best thing about it, is not having to be creative with it. Good luck.

You did the right thing. I would really question something like that my self. Nurses are supose to have morals and it sounds like you do.:bow:

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