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Around, 5 years ago, I began an LPN program, and me with no healthcare experience, solid grades, 3.85 undergrad degree in Biology and a Ed.M in Biology Education.
So afterwards when I started to realize that finding a job in education was going to be near impossible....I decided to go for Nursing. How Hard Could it be? (My thinking at the time)
So, I get accepted to my local 2 year school's RN program...very little experience in healthcare....None to be exact lol.
And it was a wake up call....but good and bad.
Now let me say something on Nursing School: " I never imagined it was going to be this hard, and If I would have known, what I know now, I never would have done it"...I mean , I knew it would be hard, but this hard? Nursing truly is a physical and mental beating at times, and Nursing school adds even more physical and mental wear and tear then one would imagine. At, the time I thought, ....these instructors are terrible...."they're mean, they're stuck up. they're unhelpful, and cant teach".
Thats what I thought at the time.....but looking back now and being on the outside looking back in....I get why many instructors take the "tough love" approach.
Direct quote from the AACN on factors contributing to Nursing Faculty shortages. "In addition to the many roles and responsibilities common to all faculty, additional expectations are placed on nursing faculty. They often are expected to maintain clinical expertise, instruct students in clinical agencies, and engage in faculty practice. Moreover, nursing faculty who supervise students in clinical agencies may be responsible for an increasing number of very ill patients, adding an element not experienced by faculty in non-health care disciplines."
Nursing Instructors have a very tough job in their own right....."they have to do it all"...on top of being responsible for a students clinical performance, and getting their students the "guidance" to pass the boards during lectures.
And ultimately on top of that, there is a method to their madness.....they do everything they do for a reason: In Nursing Especially, Nobody is going to hold your hand in this profession....you have to do research and gather information. A common complaint from a lot of students is: "the instructors don't give us the material to pass during lecture"?
No, they dont give you everything and this is all self taught!!.....But in Nursing, research, self teaching, critical thinking and information gathering is a skill in its own right, that many instructors cant teach you and all they can really do is guide you and steer you in the right direction.
You have to take initiative, you need to do you're fair share of guessing at times, you need to be able to use the power to Question that the RN license will give you, and most importantly, you need to be that patient advocate: and make sure everyone is doing what they're supposed to for your patient that you're responsible for.....and you are responsible for everything, literally everything with that patient from psychosocially to physiologically....that's Nursing School!! ....For many students, they dont realize, but the instructors are preparing you for life as an RN....it's rewarding journey for those who stay in, but also a tough journey as those you get out learn..as I did
I am an LPN of just 4 years since I graduated from my LPN program and I recently attempted RN school before I decided to make a change because, truthfully....what I thought I wanted wasn't really what I wanted.
Truth is, Nursing is not for everyone, it's "a calling"....so is every profession, but this is especially true for Nursing.....And personally, the people who stay in are SAINTS , they are saints...god bless them all, of course there are many who stay in solely for the $$$..
And on that note, might I say, If you're going into this just for the cash....you might want to give it more thought, many people make that mistake....I mean we all want financial incentive and job security, but you need to want to commit your life to helping people as well....because if Nursing is not your passion, you wont be happy with your career, no matter how many different career paths you choose.
Now if you want to be a Nurse and are a student w/ zero experience I have some pointers for the schooling:
#1.) I'd recommend experience in healthcare....even if it's as a Nurses aid....My plan originally was LPN to RN obviously...looking back, I wish I had gone into Respiratory Therapy first.....Respiratory Therapy will give you can even better background than an LPN would in my opinion just because of the experience you gain as an RT.
You get to travel across the entire hospital, and see different units.... it also gives you a perfect blend of highly technical work plus patient care and assessment skills...and most importantly....any time, you can gain an EXPERT level of anything for an RN program it's huge...and RT will give you can expert level of knowledge on Oxygenation and Airway Management and Critical Care and the Heart and Lungs....the most vital body systems: ABC's Anyone??
As an RN, you cover a ton of ground in school....another reason why you don't get everything in lecture in Nursing school and why it's self taught, is because, Nursing instructors couldn't teach you everything they need to if they had twice the lecture hours to do so...it is IMPOSSIBLE for them to cover that much ground....so anytime you have a background whether it's LPN, or RT, or even X-Ray....it will help the learning Curve.
#2.) For those of you you had straight A's and waited until the last minute to study for Exam's and still got those grades?.....That's not gonna fly here in Nursing....you need to really understand things, and not just know things and memorize words, anatomical positions and definitions the night before the test....
IF you can MEMORIZE? That's Wonderful......that's not gonna get you through here.
Not saying memorizing isn't important.....but you need to memorize and understanding of concepts, because that's what this is really about here.
And as I said before, you need to read.....the only you are going to understand things is though reading and reinforcing those lectures, even if they're just reading off slides.
#3.) The toughest part of Nursing School is Time Management....everyone has this issue....you will be no different
#4.) Learn the secret to success in Nursing.....Want to know what it is??............Study your *** off....
Everyone is always looking for a secret and solution to make Nursing School easy.....guess what, There is no secret except study your ass off....You need to treat it like it's a full time Job....with overtime responsibilities....except, you're not getting paid for you're OT....not yet anyways.
And for those of you weighing different career options and are pre-nursing....I changed careers and i'll give you my thought process for advice and maybe it can help you.
I thought first of Physical Therapy and Occupational Therapy: Great field, great job market...but In my opinion, their education has been greatly inflated....it used to be a B.S minimum entry, and now it's a Masters and soon...Doctorate Level....majority of PT programs are now DPT programs....and unfortunately...I don't think the Pay has matched the education advancement....the same is true for OT, which has gone from B.S to M.S since the mid 2000s I believe
What's wrong with more education? It's very expensive....graduate school is not cheap...even if you go to a public school...but in my area, the schools are private and cost well over 100,000 to attend.
I believe you should never take out more in Student Loans than you will make in a year....maybe unless it's Nursing because in Nursing, you have endless opportunities to advance into high paying 6 figure jobs that pay well....and even with a 2 year degree, you will make bank right off the bat if you get a job in a large healthcare system hospital., no doubt about it....but again it's all about money and plus geography impacts how much you make....in My area....RN's make as much as PT's ...both start around 27-28/hr and the top of their pay scale is around 40/hr
PT is a good career.....but beware of the cost..... does it outweigh you're desire to be a PT?? or do other fields look more appealing??
I then looked at Respiratory Therapy
This field is very interesting to me.....it's a very young profession, very good profession in my opinion, and as everyone has mentioned before...RT's make on avg. a couple $$ less an hour than RN's............but RN's on average usually have a much greater ceiling for earnings....even in an entry level staff Nurse and staff Therapist position.
An example is in my area at one of our local hospitals...RT's start at around 24 and peak at 31...and the RN's 27 and peak at 40 in the staff positions....so the RN's have more of a ceiling.
Cold weather is also a major source of the work from what I hear, hence why winter time is usually hriing season for Respiratory Therapy: Asthma, Cold Weather Allergies, Croup, Pneumonia, Flu....all made worse via cold weather....so that's another downside.
The major issue with Respiratory is advancement......there is none. With RN's, you can go into NP programs and CRNA's... However, this could change, and RT is working to change this someday where they give them more advancement and career ladders. There has been talk of trying to make the minimum level of entry for a RT to a bachelor's degree and eventually making Advanced Practice RT positions where RT's are physician extenders....but that is nowhere even close to happening right now.
RT' like Nursing is also not for everyone....and they also respond to some really intense environments....so I guess you can say RT is very stimulating as one RT described it to me.
RT and RN get compared often all the time......put it this way....RT's deal with mostly things above the diaphragm and RN's are responsible for that and everything else....most importantly, RN's are the Army of healthcare,.....RT's are more like the Coast Guard....which is not an insult but a complement.. Nobody appreciates the RT until they are absolutely needed, and many average people on the street don't even know what they really do...I have a tremendous respect for RT's.
Nursing has loads of advancement opportunites which is a huge turn on for many....but you need to work hard, and also pay your dues to get those opportunities.
RT is a fine career...and you can have a nice career, improve your quality of life tremendously....but at the end of the day, you can do this 30 years and be in the same position as when you started. The same is true though for Occupational Therapist's and Speech.....it's tough to advance in these fields too. In any Allied Health Field that's not Nursing..... advancement opportunities are going to be tough.
At the end of the say....RT is a solid field, and will improve your quality of life...and if you want to move on to something else..... RT will give you a tremendous background in critical care for RN if that's the long term goal....if the goal is CRNA, then I strongly recommend Respiratory Therapy as a background.
So at the end of the day...I choose to leave Nursing School for Echocardiography and have been working as one for 6 months.....
On the downside...work is harder to find in this field.....I have two jobs....One part time, and 1 per diem....but it's more than enough to allow me to make a good living....Stress level ?? It's not too bad depending on patient load...but it varies.....it's nowhere near Nursing or RT though.
Nursing wasn't as science minded as I thought it would be for my liking and I just grew unhappy with where I was with the work of the job in itself as I saw being LPN and the schoolwork it takes to be an RN...it's very holistic and very rounded and incorporates a combination of physical sciences and social science...don't underrate the importance of social sciences in Nursing....the whole person matters.
And I found out after a few years of LPN work and being an RN student, that Nursing was not for me at all.
I really enjoy being on the diagnostic end of health care and overall I'm happy with my decision..
Hopefully, this helps many of you students out there to provide some pointers and advice to those who might need it, or feel like they're on an island of their own with their experience so far.
Many PA schools are designed for incoming college freshman and reserve their seats for them and not the graduate student looking to directly enter into a Masters program
Where in the world are you getting this info? You can't apply to most PA programs unless you already have a Bachelor's degree and the pre-reqs complete. There's no "saving seats" for undergrads. Believe me, if that was the case, I'd have already gone that route and skipped the BSN.
Bottom line, getting back to OP's topic: there's no one "right way" for everyone when it comes to experience before nursing school. Each track has its pros & cons, whether it's MA, CNA, EMT, RT, etc.
You've got to go with what interests you and what works for you financially, intellectually and time-wise. Not all of us are young spring chickens that can spend time & money following long tracks in other med carers before nursing school. I wish I had the opportunity to do what I'm doing now back in my 20s. Alas, life does not always allow you to do what you want when you want it.
You are spot on with almost all of your information. The most glaring wrong one is about the level of science involved in nursing care. I work in CVICU and the level of information we have to know and understand is unbelievable. I used to do ER and it was actually way easier. I love what I am learning and doing.
The other one that always gets me personally is "Nursing is a calling" Yes, it turns out it is. But when I went into school for nursing I went only because I wanted a well paying, secure job. Turns out it was what I was meant to do all my life. I love it, I live it. But by all rights I shouldn't have even tried it.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts on this subject. It is very well thought out and very insightful.
"Where in the world are you getting this info? You can't apply to most PA programs unless you already have a Bachelor's degree and the pre-reqs complete. There's no "saving seats" for undergrads. Believe me, if that was the case, I'd have already gone that route and skipped the BSN."
No, not saving seats and guarenteeing spots for incoming Freshman, but more the less, giving them the first crack
At least thats how it is in my area in Upstate NY. I think there are approx 5 PA Programs in this region and almost all of the "homegrown students" who did their 4 year B.S Pre-PA track the first crack and the Graduates make up a small precentage of that admission number....but there are plenty of direct entry programs with a B.S degree w/ pre-reqs
But of course the world isnt limited to where I live, but .....Regardless.....I think we can agree that it's extremely difficult to get into PA School and do that route
"Bottom line, getting back to OP's topic: there's no one "right way" for everyone when it comes to experience before nursing school. Each track has its pros & cons, whether it's MA, CNA, EMT, RT, etc. "
"Every route does have its pros and cons and many people dont have time or money.....but your are much better served If you have experience in healthcare."
Im not trying to tell people that you have to go get experience....but you'll be better served if you can get a background first off in something that will overlap with Nursing....like RT or Paramedic or even starting off as an LPN and bridging
Rushing into to things blindly just to make $27 an hour is not always the best way to go, but thats what many do....I have a degree in "criminal justice and Nursing is only two years, and Nursing will be easy as heck because it's only a two-year degree and I have a bachelor's degree"......There are a lot of people do think that.......these programs in healthcare not just Nursing are all hard because the patient is always changing and Nursing is the hardest job because you have to know so much ground on the patient and know a lot. I knew someone who finished an RN program who had his Ph.D and said he worked harder for his two-year RN lisence than he ever did for his PhD....and Thats not to scare anyone off from doing Nursing or any healthcare program.....It's just a transition that the individual with the PhD had to make.....changing gears is never easy, nor is changing careers
So if you can ever get experience.....sure go grab it....you'll be better served and god forbid, weigh all your options and dont rush if you dont have to.......easier said than done of course because I rushed, but eventually found my way.
"You are spot on with almost all of your information. The most glaring wrong one is about the level of science involved in nursing care. "
Im not trying to say there's not a lot of science involved in Nursing.....there is
But, For Schooling purposes for the students....in Nursing it is both an Art and a Science in that Nursing Model....which is different from the Medical Model ...(I prefer the medical model personally), but many like the "big picture" that the Nursing Model Provides.
Anatomy and Physiology is not the end all be all, but a portion of Nursing Coursework Foundation...but a darn big one. There's also pharmacology, Sociology, Psychology, some basic math, and Nursing Theory in it self.....applying test questions to your Nursing Theorist....applying information to your ABC's and following your 5 Steps of the Nursing Process (ADPIE) and utilizing the correct Nursing Diagnosis in your careplan.
When I began Echo School....oh I had a a signifigantly greater amount of science course work involving Physics, Anatomy and Physiology and Cardiovascular Physiology....but the sub out for the Social Science and Nursing Theory....I had a lot more "technical terms" to sum it up
Nursing is truely holistic....and for the students thats a term many people will hear over and over again.
I think there can be more exposure for the younger generation about RT, OT, and other specialized fields you don't hear much about. Thank you for the info.
It's funny you say that because there are so many people that dont have a clue about the other fields and other options
I know so many younger people who dont even know what a Respiratory Therapist is? Or an Occupational Therapist? Or even a Radiation Therapist, Echocardiography etc....And dont even think about these professions.
Nursing is the "glamour profession" of most colleges....it's a cash cow, and it's overmarketed at times, drawing people in you often have no business being in Nursing to begin with.....but then again, can you blame them?? Times are tough?!
It's the first thing people think of when they think of going back to school, and a lot of it is because of low barrier to entry.
So do the other fields minus the rehab sciences (SLP, PT and OT)....you can have a damn good career as a Respiratory Therapist....or a Radiation Therapist (If you can find a job) or an Echocardiographer/ Ultrasound tech.
I guess you have to find out what you're good at though....and you like
If I was talking to a Potential Healthcare student in High School having trouble deciding between what to go for in healthcare, I would tell them:
If you're really good at the hard "dry" sciences and Physics and you like being on the diagnostic end of things ....Echo, Ultrasound, Radiation Therapy might be the better path
If you like a perfect blend of technical work, patient assessment and bedside skills and patient care, without having to do as much of the "dirty work" or deal with things below the diaphram as Nurses at all levels tend to deal with....and you like the occasional high intense environment....then Respiratory Care is a solid choice
If you're a people person, and a great worker....and you're good in the Anatomical Sciences and Social Sciences....and you live being on the bedside aspect of the patient care, and you think you'll love being a patient guardian and manager.....then Choose Nursing. Expierence will help you tremendously if you have it of course
Also, if you like being very General and a jack of all trades type....and think you'll like being involved in all aspects of patient care, then Nursing sounds about right for you.
If you like being speciallized and you like learning a lot about more focused concepts: then maybe RT, OT, Echo, Ultrasound sounds that it would be appropriate.
There's also the Excelsior Program too? But it depends on if you live in a state that takes it and what requirements that have....it's convienent for the working students already in healthcare? In many states, LPN's, ..Respiratory Therapist and Paramedics too I believe can bridge into their RN program?? But not all states accept it, and some dont accept grad's who's prior background was non- lpn
So, for students and people looking into Nursing.....or even the students who maybe failed out of a RN program and still want to be RN's as a goal...and there are plenty of them out there....some who may be reading this as I speak....then maybe one of the above fields/ or LPN school and Excelsior could be an option to be an RN?
For those of you students who failed and/or think you are going to fail....remember it sucks and some of may even be depressed/ upset, think life is over....it's NOT.....it's SO NOT OVER...but it's a learning experience even if you were unsuccessful the first time out......think of all of that knowledge you gained and how much it is gonna help you in the future (and it will)....take that knowlledge you gained...brush it off, get back up and find the sidedoor into Nursing or into success in life
There is ALWAYS A WAY!!!!
Experience is nice, but getting an associates degree to become an RT and then going on to do a ADN/BSN might not be the greatest use of money and it's a lot of time spent out of the work force. I got a ton of great experience as a medical assistant/CNA and it cost me nothing. I mean, don't get me wrong - respiratory therapy is great to know, but once you're a nurse those things are still going to be handled by the RT. I don't know if one needs to really spend that much money and time in school to learn a skill they ultimately won't use. :)
But with the RT to RN thing....in terms of cost efficency? Is it time efficent and cost efficent?? Maybe? Maybe Not?? You can always get a per diem or part time job as an RT making 20-25 per hr and move on to Nursing School and work your way through school as an RT. Plus the fact that you get to move around the entire hospital and you get to see different things...and even get to met all sorts of different people on all floors is huge....could even give you insight on what kind of Nursing you want to do when your on a certain floor?!
And if Nursing School does not work out...and lets look at the statistics and numbers....attrition rates in Nursing School are High. Attrition rates in Respiratory Care Programs are held to a standard....the CoArc holds all Respiratory CarePrograms in the US to an attrition standard of 40% meaning many schools need to strive to not lose more than 40% of its students.......so there will be many in Nursing programs who might not be successful the first time around, or decide they dont like Nursing and not want to do it what so ever....I dont know this for a fact, but I've heard CRNA Schools really like RT-RN's too, so if thats a goal ...it will help your application along with that ICU expeirence......of course you could always be unsuccessful in RT school as well, or maybe that's not your Cup o' Tea Either??
Or maybe you want to get out of Nursing and want to jump back into another field that you did prior? Not necessairly RT, but anything? I got out and went back to school for Echo when I discovered I didnt want to be a Nurse anymore.
It's a good asset as well to have something like Resp Therapy or even Paramedic to fall back on and regroup and figure out what to do next?
I guess my rationale for that advice is ....being an expert in anything will help you in clinical practice and especially in terms of being a student...having that kind of knowledge and autonomy under your belt is a tremendous asset, and will help you with a lot of concepts like Oxygenation, Hemodynamics and Cardiopulmonary Pharmacology...and im citing a former co-worker of mine who was an RT who went on for RN so he could be a CRNA but I do truely agree with your take on everything you said...
But I do believe that if you're not an LPN or a CNA or even a Medical Assistant which is a good background..then RT right there for background...
Only the individual and their circumstances can deterimine what route is best to choose....if you want to jump right into RN ...no expierence and rush into it and think you'll fine, sure....what works for one wont work for another...
All us people who have some expeirence can do for the students is give our thoughts and advice to help guide them and provide some helpful insight
RNs have the MOST flexibility and room for advancement, and RNs can do 90% of what RTs do, or so I've seen, and RNs also do some of what physical and occupational therapists do. RNs are the jacks of all trades, and even though I thought about RT, I chose nursing in the long run due to the wide scope of practice.
I also wouldn't recommend RT for CRNA...you can't be a RT and go to CRNA school without having a degree of nursing...it is pointless. Better to spend that extra time working in an ICU as an RN than to work as a RT.
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Well I meant if you had the proper pre-reqs like Chemisty, Physics, Gen Bio, Gross Anatomy etc,you could directly enter into a PA program without having to go get a 2nd B.S degree........if you get in of course,....thats the tough part
Many PA schools are designed for incoming college freshman and reserve their seats for them and not the graduate student looking to directly enter into a Masters program
And those programs generally get 500 applicants or more per cycle and admit like 20-25 maybe??
It's tough to get into PA school ....not that NP school isnt, but PA school is really really tough no matter how strong a grad applicant you might be