ADN's being pushed out

[MSN Student]

I work for a large Magnet hospital. As nursing becomes more popular, and nurses not in short supply, I have noticed something ominous has being going on lately. Several of our older and very seasoned ADN nurses are being fired. The excuses for firing are ridiculous. I have sadly seen some excellent nurses lose their jobs. I am wondering if they want to get rid of the ADNs so they can look "better" with an all BSN staff. Or perhaps they want rid of older nurses who have been there longer because they are higher on the pay scale. Either way, it is very scarey. I myself am BSN, and i am not ashamed to say that what I know does not hold a candle to these fired nurses. Any thoughts?

[Mom2Chaos]

Ok... Make that four comments, lol!

[Anoetos, BSN, RN]

There is actually a document outlining the essentials of a baccalaureate prepared nurse. We studied it in Senior Seminar. I'll try to find a copy and post it in a separate thread.

[Lennonninja, MSN, APRN, NP]

One hospital I was interested says:

"Graduated from an NLNAC or CCNE accredited nursing baccalaureate program (BSN). Candidates graduating from an Associates Degree-to-BSN or LPN-to-BSN programs are not eligible"

Wow, that's rather insane...

[Orca, ADN, ASN, RN]

Explain to me how more education (4 years vs 2) does NOT make you a better nurse?? How, exactly is an ADN better prepared than a BSN? That is nonsense. And guess who else thinks so?? Magnet and most other hospitals, pharma and research companies, universities, etc. If you are fine with an ADN that's great, but don't try to belittle those whose took the incentive for a more well-rounded education. Or in my case, a MSN.

I find your comments highly insulting. You imply that anyone who doesn't pursue a BSN is simply lazy. I can't speak for others, but in my own case it came down to accommodation. I had a bachelor's degree in another field when I decided to pursue nursing. I was locked into an 8-5 Monday-Friday job at the time, and since I couldn't set work aside to go to school, I checked around. Time-wise, it would have been about the same to go either way. However, the BSN programs in my area expected me to be available pretty much all day and most evenings, while one ADN program set up a track specifically for people like me - people who had no choice but to work while attending school. Our classes were set up on evenings and weekends.

With all other things being equal, a BSN has more education than an ADN. However, you seem to be advocating pushing all ADNs aside for BSNs, as if experience counts for nothing. I have been in this profession for 17 years, and I have served in line, supervisory and administrative positions. If you are saying that a new grad BSN is preferable to me, then you are being equally nonsensical.

[kitty13]

The comments regarding degrees and hospitals requiring BSN is the direction many facilities have been moving over the last couple of years. I am a diploma nurse, graduated from a 3 yr program that allowed nothing but an 80% test score averages. We worked just like staff in the hospitals during our training.

I could not afford to continue my education after graduation to the BSN level. My friends in the four year program may have a BSN but they admit when they worked at the same hospital the year they graduated they were far behind the skills of those of us from the Diploma program.

I am searching for a job now and i am finding nothing!

[Sirena922]

Question? If an RN has a Bachelors Degree in Administration and a Masters Degree in Organizational Management, do they still have to go back to school for a BSN?

[libran1984, ASN, RN]

ADN = new LPN ?

[Orca, ADN, ASN, RN]

ADN = new LPN ?

That seems to be what some people want.

[Lennonninja, MSN, APRN, NP]

Question? If an RN has a Bachelors Degree in Administration and a Masters Degree in Organizational Management, do they still have to go back to school for a BSN?

Most likely yes. In nursing, you could have a PhD, JD, and Bachelors degrees in 5 different things and it wouldn't count for anything with regards to a BSN.

[kitty13]

That would depend on your work setting, is it a magnet hospital, is there a trauma center level associated with the hospital.

However those degrees could work for an RN if you wanted to work for as an educator at some same colleges, as well as a Clinical Device consultant.

[kitty13]

good for you it was a well written reply my feelings as a Diploma RN

[redhead_NURSE98!, ADN, BSN]

I didn't realize many ADN programs utilized the simulation labs opposed to actual clinical rotation.

"Many?" She mentioned one that does this. My ASN program had more clinical hours than the BSN program from the same college, and our NCLEX pass rate was better. Sad but it seems it's school by school.