ADN vs. BSN

[studentnursemon86]

Ok, so I'm in an associate degree nursing program right now. I also work as an ER technician in a magnet hospital. Currently, my hospital hires already employed new grads who pass their NCLEX, however they make them sign a contract stating they will get their BSN in 5 years and be enrolled in BSN classes within 1 year.

I don't like this at all. I will get my BSN, but I want to do it on my own time. I don't want to be racing a clock to get it.

I know there are many hospitals that are not yet magnet. Do they hire associate degree nurses without these stipulations?

I have 3 semesters left, but it has been on my mind.

I'm 28 and already went to school for psychology. I was hoping to try to have a child after graduation when I'm 30, and then pursue my BSN once the child got a little bit older.

[GrannyRRT]

As a member of the allied health group, I love to see the nursing profession in such discord over education and to see so many fight to keep the RN entry education low. It puts the allied health professions in a stronger position to take over in a few areas and to regain what we lost when the allied health professions were arguing about education.

But, it is also disruptive and unproductive for a unit. For this reason, my hospital now only hires BSNs. I must say it has made a difference.

[klone, MSN, RN]

Again, your not understanding the fact that there are REASONS for getting high degrees.

ADN does not include nursing leadership courses, where an BSN and MSN do include them. Does it make sense now? You can't just say that does not matter. Then whats the point of getting higher degree? whats the point of the leadership courses? your logic does not make sense.

What i am saying is common sense. You can't say regardless of their degrees in nursing, what other people in other field say this?

There are reasons for having high degrees (example: Nursing leadership courses offered in higher degrees ) If you are blind to see this (for whatever reason, maybe for example your too lazy or too busy to go back to school) then i can't help you.

Have you considered that many people in nursing leadership positions have had leadership roles in other professions, or perhaps have other degrees that have taught leadership (such as an MBA or MHA)? Or maybe that they learned their leadership skills on the job, rather than in school?

[Nurse-Prestige]

Have you considered that many people in nursing leadership positions have had leadership roles in other professions, or perhaps have other degrees that have taught leadership (such as an MBA or MHA)? Or maybe that they learned their leadership skills on the job, rather than in school?

Depending on the facility, some might consider these degrees.

Most facilities require at least a BSN degree to be a manager or director. If you don't believe me, try searching management nursing job offers, and to your surprise, most will require at least a BSN degree.

[klone, MSN, RN]

I believe you. I was simply commenting that my husband, who does NOT work at a hospital, has been very successful in management without a BSN. And his boss before him, also no BSN. So it's not always an absolutely necessity, depending on what area of nursing in which you work.

In six months, I will have a higher degree than my boss, and her boss above her as well. But in no way do I feel that because my boss has a lesser degree than I do, that she is not a capable and knowledgeable manager.

[Nurse-Prestige]

I believe you. I was simply commenting that my husband, who does NOT work at a hospital, has been very successful in management without a BSN. And his boss before him, also no BSN. So it's not always an absolutely necessity, depending on what area of nursing in which you work.

In six months, I will have a higher degree than my boss, and her boss above her as well. But in no way do I feel that because my boss has a lesser degree than I do, that she is not a capable and knowledgeable manager.

I understand where you are coming from. However, with that logic, then all you need to be director or manager is a diploma with floor experience????

Again leadership is not only learning it on the floor, but you have to learn the foundation and the concepts that pertain to being a leader. That you learn in your leadership classes, and then over the years of experience you grow with that. That is why you can't just look at experience, but also at the education requirement as well.

Do you wonder why many management jobs require at least a BSN now??? for the reason i mentioned above.

[klone, MSN, RN]

Do you wonder why many management jobs require at least a BSN now??? for the reason i mentioned above.

Nope. It's because Magnet requires it.

However, with that logic, then all you need in nursing is a diploma with floor experience????

All one needs in nursing is a diploma and experience....well, yes. As I'm sure any diploma-prepared nurse would argue. All one needs for what? To be an effective nurse? To be an effective manager?

you have to learn the foundation and the concepts that pertain to being a leader. That you learn in your leadership classes, and then over the years of experience you grow with that

It is my opinion that leadership is more effectively learned through experience and a good mentor than in a class.

[Nurse-Prestige]

All one needs for what?

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I was referring to a management position (when i mentioned about the diploma certificate). Sorry for the confusion.

Diploma certificate does not offer the leadership component that you learn in your classes. For that reason, when you search management nursing position, in most cases you never see at least a diploma certificate is required for a manager or director position. You ever asked your self why?

There are reasons why magnet facilities require higher degrees. You ever asked your self why?

[klone, MSN, RN]

There are reasons why magnet facilities require higher degrees. You ever asked your self why?

Yep, in fact we've many many MANY threads about it.

[Lennonninja, MSN, APRN, NP]

Sounds like trolling to me, especially since the poster just registered this month.

[sallyrnrrt, ADN, RN]

Managers having ADN? wow I Never heard of that. That is very rare.

It does not make sense to me, and it's NOT logical that a manager would have a LOWER degree then many of her/his staff.

That is very strange that this facility would allow managers only having ADN. That is very strange indeed.

........Then I would probably drive you crazy.......after 3&1/3 yr as biology mjr. I went to a diploma nursing school, within 2.5yr I was Supv. of an ER.

I have been HN, Adon, Coordinator if clinical services, and Director of Nursing in several facilities, of course all that expands multiple decades....majority in critical care, rare? I do not know, it seemed normal to me.

some of these positions were in major university teaching hospitals in very large cities and Wash. DC.....

The evolution of nursing practice has been most interesting.

[Nienna Celebrindal]

Something to consider is getting a job as a new grad is tough. If your current job will hire I worked it and be stoked.

[Nurse-Prestige]

Sounds like trolling to me, especially since the poster just registered this month.

After all the time i spend posting why a BSN degree is a better degree (regardless when i became a member) and explaining the reasons behind it, i don't know why you would state that comment.

If you disagree with me, you can simply disagree. You don't have to call anyone "trolling" just because they have different opinion then you.

So when some hospitals tell you that they are hiring only BSN degree nurses, they are trolling also???

Let's be realistic, and realize that higher degrees are preferred these days.