ADN vs. BSN

Nursing Students ADN/BSN

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Ok, so I'm in an associate degree nursing program right now. I also work as an ER technician in a magnet hospital. Currently, my hospital hires already employed new grads who pass their NCLEX, however they make them sign a contract stating they will get their BSN in 5 years and be enrolled in BSN classes within 1 year.

I don't like this at all. I will get my BSN, but I want to do it on my own time. I don't want to be racing a clock to get it.

I know there are many hospitals that are not yet magnet. Do they hire associate degree nurses without these stipulations?

I have 3 semesters left, but it has been on my mind.

I'm 28 and already went to school for psychology. I was hoping to try to have a child after graduation when I'm 30, and then pursue my BSN once the child got a little bit older.

It's not that strange. My floors director is an ADN working on her BSN.

When a floors DIRECTOR has only an associate degree, not a BSN or MSN, then i really question the competency of the facility and the people that run it.

(BSN and MSN degrees include the leadership courses)

My whole point, it is just not logical that a high ranking individual would have a LOWER degree then those under them. That does not make sense to me. It is really common sense if you think about it.

Anyhow, that is not the case in most facilities. Usually a manager or a director has at least a BSN degree.

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When a floors DIRECTOR has only an associate degree, not a BSN or MSN, then i really question the competency of the facility and the people that run it.

(BSN and MSN degrees include the leadership courses)

My whole point, it is just not logical that a high ranking individual would have a LOWER degree then those under them. That does not make sense to me. It is really common sense if you think about it.

Anyhow, that is not the case in most facilities. Usually a manager or a director has at least a BSN degree.

Pfft. Just because someone has a higher degree than others does NOT mean that they are more competent than those with lower degrees. The person in charge, regardless of their degree, was put in charge for a reason. This educational elitism bull is ridiculous.

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Pfft. Just because someone has a higher degree than others does NOT mean that they are more competent than those with lower degrees. The person in charge, regardless of their degree, was put in charge for a reason. This educational elitism bull is ridiculous.

THISSS.

Please leave the high horses in the stable.

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Pfft. Just because someone has a higher degree than others does NOT mean that they are more competent than those with lower degrees. The person in charge, regardless of their degree, was put in charge for a reason. This educational elitism bull is ridiculous.

Again, your not understanding the fact that there are REASONS for getting high degrees.

ADN does not include nursing leadership courses, where an BSN and MSN do include them. Does it make sense now? You can't just say that does not matter. Then whats the point of getting higher degree? whats the point of the leadership courses? your logic does not make sense.

What i am saying is common sense. You can't say regardless of their degrees in nursing, what other people in other field say this?

There are reasons for having high degrees (example: Nursing leadership courses offered in higher degrees ) If you are blind to see this (for whatever reason, maybe for example your too lazy or too busy to go back to school) then i can't help you.

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Again, your not understanding the fact that there are REASONS for getting a high degrees.

ADN does not include nursing leadership courses, where an BSN and MSN do include them. Does it make sense now? You can't just say that does not matter. Then whats the point of getting higher degree? whats the point of the leadership courses? your logic does not make sense.

What i am saying is common sense. You can't say regardless of their degrees in nursing, what other people in other field say this?

There are reasons for having high degrees (example: Nursing leadership courses offered in higher degrees ) If you are blind to see this (for whatever reasons, maybe for example your too lazy to go back to school) then i can't help you.

My god. Your way of "making me see logic" is by insulting my intelligence and assuming "facts" about me that you have no idea to be true? Must be that fiiiiiine higher education you have, sweetheart, that helps others see the errors of their ignorant ways.

Get off your high horse, learn to be humble, and forego the assumptions. Sounds to me like you're bitterly envious of those who have earned positions based on their experience, knowledge, and ability to take charge without a higher degree. A piece of paper and some classes on leadership don't mean jack in the real world if you can't actually walk the talk.

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My god. Your way of "making me see logic" is by insulting my intelligence and assuming "facts" about me that you have no idea to be true? Must be that fiiiiiine higher education you have, sweetheart, that helps others see the errors of their ignorant ways.

Get off your high horse, learn to be humble, and forego the assumptions. Sounds to me like you're bitterly envious of those who have earned positions based on their experience, knowledge, and ability to take charge without a higher degree. A piece of paper and some classes on leadership don't mean jack in the real world if you can't actually walk the talk.

I don't know where all this came from?

For stating that there is a reason for a higher degree. Wow , if anything, shows how insecure you are.

The bottom line is that many facilities now accept BSN/MSN only managers and directors, for the reasons i mentioned. The tides are changing and for a good reason.

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I don't know where all this came from?

For stating that there is a reason for a higher degree. Wow , if anything, shows how insecure you are with your degree.

But, dear, I'm not. You're the one who came gallivanting in here arguing about how lower degrees shouldn't be in charge and that, somehow, a BSN magically affords someone with the wherewithal to govern others from day 1. Leadership is earned and then cultivated, not bestowed upon a green individual with no experience and a haughty head on their shoulders.

And for your information, my first degree sits well with me, as will my second.

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But, dear, I'm not. You're the one who came gallivanting in here arguing about how lower degrees shouldn't be in charge and that, somehow, a BSN magically affords someone with the wherewithal to govern others from day 1. Leadership is earned and then cultivated, not bestowed upon a green individual with no experience and a haughty head on their shoulders.

And for your information, my first degree sits well with me, as will my second.

I think your taking this too personal for whatever reason. According to your logic, leadership is earned? then what is the point of higher degrees in nursing??? Learning detailed leadership nursing courses in higher degrees?

You keep ignoring those questions, and you start getting all emotional with your posts.

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Specializes in Public Health.

Children please. Point is, you are more likely to get into leadership positions with a higher degree but clearly it's not always required. Point blank period.

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I think your taking this too personal for whatever reason. According to your logic, leadership is earned? then what is the point of higher degrees in nursing??? Learning detailed nursing courses in higher degrees?

You keep ignoring those question, and start getting all emotional with your posts.

Again, you're making assumptions.

Yes. Leadership is earned. Higher degrees teach you new information and actual experience teaches you how to use information. A person with little to no experience, regardless of degree, should not be in charge of someone with years of experience (regardless of their degree). Would you put a three year old in charge of an adult? Both are human but only one actually has the experience of the world under their belt.

I'd be fine following the lead of a BSN with 20 years experience just as I would with an ADN with 20 years experience. Again, and for the last time, I have zero tolerance for your brand of degree elitism.

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Again, you're making assumptions.

Yes. Leadership is earned. Higher degrees teach you new information and actual experience teaches you how to use information. A person with little to no experience, regardless of degree, should not be in charge of someone with years of experience (regardless of their degree). Would you put a three year old in charge of an adult? Both are human but only one actually has the experience of the world under their belt.

I'd be fine following the lead of a BSN with 20 years experience just as I would with an ADN with 20 years experience. Again, and for the last time, I have zero tolerance for your brand of degree elitism.

You gave the worst example. no disrespect intended. The minimum requirement should be (in my opinion) a BSN/MSN required for managers and directors. Of course, the managers and directors should be a BSN/MSN nurse with years of experience.

Years of experience should apply only to BSN/MSN degrees that already meet the minimum degree requirement to be a manager or director.

Are you going tell me a diploma nurse is going be a director because she/he has years of experience? come on, what century do u live in? 1800s? There are reasons for getting a higher degree. You need to learn the foundation of the leadership skills in the classroom to be able to apply it during your leadership role job. (BSN and MSN degrees include leadership courses).

Years of experience only apply after a minimum degree requirement has been met. This is why this is followed in MOST facilities when it comes to hiring a manager or a director.

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Children please. Point is, you are more likely to get into leadership positions with a higher degree but clearly it's not always required. Point blank period.

Agreed.

Didn't take long for this old chestnut to derail a good thread.

Getting popcorn ready...

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