As children, we expected our primary caregivers, usually our parents, to provide for us and guide us. We expected to be reinforced as a result of positive behavior and chastised for negative behavior.
When we entered school, we expected the same from our teachers: provide for our learning needs, and guide intellectually and behaviorally.
Then, we entered the workforce and expected pretty much the same from our supervisors- guide us, allow us to possess the tools we need in order to do our job, give us money & reinforcement for doing our job, and critique areas in which we could improve.
These are general situations that don't always apply to the real world, as parents, teachers, and supervisors can have their issues, foibles, idiosyncrasies, and aberrancies which can foul up endeavors and goals. But the basic concepts are seemingly consensual.
Our powers are limited as children, students, and laborers, but our society allows certain freedoms and methods in order to deal with perceived problems. Sometimes those methods result in desired goals while other available methods done merely for appearance; are all for show.
If our parents and teachers pretty much fulfilled their responsibilities, we can suffer from cognitive dissonance if our supervisors act in ways foreign to our expectations. And if we attempt to right the situation through following suggested methods and realize they were all for show, well, that can be rather disheartening.
Specializes in Psych (25 years), Medical (15 years).
1 hour ago, NurseBlaq said:
You know why I'm here. ?
NurseBlaq, I have a certain fondness and respect for you as an allnurses member and, in reading many of your posts, I am sure there are many positive attributes that you possess.
Although I have an idea of what you mean by believing this thread will contain areas of "lively debate", I am requesting a NurseBlaq Portends.
Specializes in Psych (25 years), Medical (15 years).
13 minutes ago, Emergent said:
“Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Great men are almost always bad men.”
In conjunction with the subject of this thread, the premise of your quote, Emergent, says that Administrators have power, and are therefore subject to corruption?
Which is what upon our capitalistic system is based.
It is. But the person who said what you quoted previously was spewing malarkey, since profits are not for meeting overhead, nor are large profits (or any profits at all) needed for meeting overhead. They're what one begins to accumulate after meeting overhead/surpassing cost basis. Yes, companies/organizations generally need to meet their overhead. But they aren't "for profit" so that they can do that. Reference a charity or community group whose overhead is met solely through donations, for example.
I don't know what the proper term is for what he did there with what he said, but in short he used some clever verbal argumentation tactics to try to normalize greedy behavior by saying every organization must, by virtue of being an organization that meets its overhead, do things the same way his company does. Which is not true.
By the way, I know this is a tangent but I'm not trying to be argumentative. It's just that I pretty much hate it when people like this guy use cutesy/overly-simplistic faulty comparisons like this in order to justify or normalize their way of doing things. It's just part of how I decide about people. Those who talk like this guy does 1) aren't truthful and 2) assume everyone around them is stupid. Not sure which of those two is the worse crime. ?
Specializes in Psych (25 years), Medical (15 years).
30 minutes ago, JKL33 said:
I'm not trying to be argumentative.
Oh! By all means, JKL, be argumentative!
Arguments and debates are interesting and enjoyable as long as the premises, and not the people, are attacked!
30 minutes ago, JKL33 said:
the person who said what you quoted previously was spewing malarkey
I beg to differ.
5 hours ago, Davey Do said:
Easily, MILLIONS of dollars were invested for improvements. For the first time in years, employees were given raises!
I could go on and on until the cows come home on all the facility improvements and employee benefits which came into being the first few years of the conglomerate takeover.
I thought, "Who cares if the conglomerate takes their share off the top as long as the patients, staff, and facility benefit?"
5 hours ago, Davey Do said:
But, then, everything changed...
Some years after the takeover, everything went downhill. My guess would be circa 2008. I had thought it was just Wrongway until one member, @SmilingBluEyes, I believe, said something in one thread about the downhill grade the whole of the medical profession had taken.
The changes were on the point of being catastrophic and morale plunged. Once again, I could go on endlessly on the cutbacks and somehow believe the conglomerate was financially backed into a corner and the
Easily, MILLIONS of dollars were invested for improvements. For the first time in years, employees were given raises!
I could go on and on until the cows come home on all the facility improvements and employee benefits which came into being the first few years of the conglomerate takeover.
Similar antics to big box store moving into a community and monopolizing the local/regional market. It's all good until it's not*.
Also, that corporation got your hospital for a song and a dance, after cleverly convincing them and everyone in the community that they were already bankrupt and terrible at managing everything.
So I wouldn't blink at them spending millions. Whatever they spent was both for show and for eventual additional profit, not out of the goodness of their hearts because you and your worker friends deserved a raise and some new equipment to use. I've directly witnessed this scenario and have some behind the scenes info to go with it.
*[I used "it's not" on purpose, having previously been taught to use "it isn't" as a better alternative so as not to sound like "it's snot." In this case, it's both "not" and "snot." So I figured...why not. ?]
You're right administrators/business people are not like my parents.
Although my parents are complete hard-a$$es and I was not coddled in the least, I never felt deceived, wasn't treated with disrespect nor treated as if I were stupid. So I neither expect nor need my employer or supervisor to shore up my every emotional need. If they want to just go ahead and be respectful and minimally truthful, I can handle the rest. I have a strong dislike for large healthcare corporations for reasons well beyond whatever my emotional needs are.
JKL33
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Well, it (arguably) sounds good, but...
profits are what you have after you meet your overhead, which includes both employee costs and necessary equipment.