ABSN students with a bad work ethic

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I guess it must be a function of the economy, but a very large percentage of my ABSN classmates are coming fresh off another degree or have graduated from college within the last year or so (from colleges that offer BSN programs). I'm not sure why one would choose to finish a BA/BS just to go back to school right afterwards, but I'm sure people make these decisions for a reason.

Part of the appeal of an ABSN program was that it was marketed towards people who were transitioning from another career and wanted to move towards nursing in as little time as possible. It assumes you have a certain set of life skills and experiences. I've been in the workforce for about 10 years and left because I didn't want a desk job. The people I worked with, while I didn't necessarily like all of them (but I certainly respected them), were smart, driven and very hard working and took a lot of pride in what they did.

Well, for a lot of these new grads, they have never held a job and it really shows in their work ethic. And by "a job", I don't mean any sort of employment - they've babysat, worked retail, flipped burgers. But they've never had a job where time management was required. Where messing up would mean you had to take personal responsibility and fix the situation. Where there was a clear chain of command and you defer to those more senior. Where you have to communicate with clients and coworkers and negotiate sticky situations in a tactful manner. Where you sometimes bite your tongue and just get the work done. Where failure to meet expectations had real consequences. I don't have a job now so nursing school is my job, and I take it with the same seriousness I took my paying jobs.

And when you have to work with these people, it's frustrating because it really shows. Emails aren't answered because "I don't check it much at all, LOL." They skip meetings for group projects and don't bother to tell anyone they're not coming, then get huffy that we're not more understanding and offer lame excuses. At clinicals they hog the chairs in the nursing stations and huff when the instructor tells them those are for people who are working ("This is hard work, I have a test on Friday - pout!"). When clear instructions are given about expectations and they fail, they blame everyone else--the test, the professor, mars in retrograde. You didn't check your emails and missed a meeting - that's our fault. We should have hunted you down and made sure your highness was kept informed on events and brought you a fresh copy of the syllabus with due dates highlighted. Oh, and nice cold diet coke as well. My bad. Everyone has a hard day here and there, but some people sure do seem to have more of them.

I normally would take a "dig your own grave" approach, but my school is very group work focused and their poor work ethics affect me. I am exhausted trying to work with these people (group work is a common frustration, I know). I understand that nursing is collaborative but I am just losing my patience and at the end of my rope--I cannot imagine a workplace that would tolerate no shows and not turning in work on time consistently or turning in low quality work. In every group there is always "one bad apple", but there are so many in this program and they have a 'no person left behind' approach this year (because of certain factors they are sensitive about drop out rates), so these people are being given even more rope to hang themselves and the rest of us in the process (here's where I mention one of them pulled a bad move that may result at our class not being able to get jobs at a certain hospital). I love my patients and I love what I'm learning, but the other part is giving me some doubts.

I'm starting to understand why nurses eat their young. I'm only 1/3 of the way to being a nurse and I want to do the same sometimes...get it together!

Specializes in Medical Surgical.

Can I be in your group? My last group project was a nightmare in my ASN program. I am hoping next semester it will be better. I am a creative person who likes to think outside the box while also sticking to the directions word for word. Unfortunately some of my group members did not see eye to eye and chose to disregard all of my opinions!! I also have a hot temper (thanks, mom and dad) and it was very hard to remain professional. I think my outlook on life helps me through many difficult situations. I look at hardships as a test and tuning for my ability to cope. If I handle situations the best way I can I will be better prepared for the next mountain i have to climb.

For the generalizations, though, working fast food, baby sitting, and retail is harder than you think. Customers are very demanding. My first job was at McDonalds, I had just turned 15, it was my first week and while attempting to take this man's order he calling me an f-word mexican (yeah I'm white). I have had people screaming in my face asking me am I deaf. There are a lot of on the job skills to be learned at minimum wage jobs.

The lazy classmates in the group probably hate you even more now that they are fully aware you reported them for slacking off.

I'm not calling anyone a tattletale or snitch or anything of that nature, but people generally dislike the sole person that is perceived to be 'telling on them.' This rule applies at school, the workplace, and basically most situations in life.

Well, I did got to them beforehand (more than once) and tell them to put on their big girl panties and finish their work...which they did not, leaving huge, obvious gaps in the project where their work should have been. I'm not sure what you're suggesting I should have done here?

When I spoke with the prof she said it was clear that they hadn't pitched in, but that it was our fault for not MAKING them do it. I'm not sure how you make anyone do anything they don't want to do. If I can figure that out it will be a really nifty skill for my nursing resume.

When you're a manager you can do performance reviews, upon which raises (or continued employment) are based. If your faculty won't give you that "whip hand" and doesn't do their own form of performance reviews based on work (evidence-based practice is big-- you might mention that to the prof), you've still learned something even if it wasn't in the syllabus. :)

An old supervisor once told me "Not everybody's 100% is the same."

The situation you are in sucks, and it sounds like you've done everything you can. I know how frustrating it can be when you have to work, or learn, alongside "lazy" people. But they are everywhere, in every field. And if it's not laziness, it's arrogance. Or something else I probably can't type here. The best thing you can do for yourself is learn to do what you can, when you can, and otherwise let it go. Try to find a way to be satisfied with your own work while not worrying about others, even if it impacts you. If your professors can tell the difference, awesome. If not, it's ultimately their problem. Try to make a name for yourself at the hospitals you're doing your clinicals at. If you really are that good, they'll remember you. And if they really are that bad, they'll remember them too.

As far as them hating you now, take it as a lesson learned and try not to worry about it. Your program will be over with before you know it and you can move on!

Aaaaand now I've been accused of "lateral violence". Yes, I know that's a real thing, but it's not the case here. I have a meeting with the dean next week. Apparently a whiny email was sent by the person I told to quit slacking and get her work done, and they are taking this matter seriously. I have to spent tonight writing a defense statement instead of studying because bullying is "a huge problem in nursing and we do not tolerate a culture of bullying." Part of me wishes I had done something actually bad enough to merit this insanity.

This has been a week full of lessons, not sure any of them will make me better nurse.

Specializes in Maternal Child.
Aaaaand now I've been accused of "lateral violence". Yes, I know that's a real thing, but it's not the case here. I have a meeting with the dean next week. Apparently a whiny email was sent by the person I told to quit slacking and get her work done, and they are taking this matter seriously. I have to spent tonight writing a defense statement instead of studying because bullying is "a huge problem in nursing and we do not tolerate a culture of bullying." Part of me wishes I had done something actually bad enough to merit this insanity.

This has been a week full of lessons, not sure any of them will make me better nurse.

That sucks. Completely. I would ask the accuser what exactly was it that you said that was deemed as bullying. I am not the biggest fan of group projects, but it seems to be a big part of nursing school. Luckily many of us are type A personalities, but I have considered making a schedule for my fellow group members just so things aren't done at the last minute! I agree with poster llg who mentioned the explanation of roles, maybe you can get some of your classmates who you feel comfortable with to comment on that in your end of semester class evaluations. Good luck.

Specializes in Critical Care, Education.

GAH! I have always HATED academic group projects. The only ones that were tolerable were the (few) instances in which we could choose our own groups. I could link with others that had my same work ethic & level of performance. Even in doctoral studies, I encountered the same issues. . . there are slackers at every level.

So sorry you're being put through the wringer for attempting to push your group members into higher levels of performance - but lateral violence???? Isn't that a bit much? What a bunch of whiny babies. BTW, I don't agree that bullying is a "huge problem in nursing".

Maybe my organization is different, but we are finding an increasing number of newbies who are apparently unable to deal with any form of corrective/constructive feedback because they have no prior experience with any sort of confrontation or value judgments.... special snowflake syndrome. It's having a serious effect on some of our most valued and experienced preceptors. Many of them are just refusing to work with new grads rather than be accused of "bullying" when they provide the type of feedback needed to improve or correct performance.

Maybe my organization is different, but we are finding an increasing number of newbies who are apparently unable to deal with any form of corrective/constructive feedback because they have no prior experience with any sort of confrontation or value judgments.... special snowflake syndrome. It's having a serious effect on some of our most valued and experienced preceptors. Many of them are just refusing to work with new grads rather than be accused of "bullying" when they provide the type of feedback needed to improve or correct performance.

I really, REALLY agree with this. I keep hearing about this desperate need for nursing educators, then contrast it with what I see in the classroom (constant whining about grades and push back on the department, refusal to complete work in a timely manner or take accountability, inappropriate clinical behavior and overall behavior absolutely not befitting a second time college student) and I am like well, no wonder! I wouldn't sign on for that!

I really, REALLY agree with this. I keep hearing about this desperate need for nursing educators, then contrast it with what I see in the classroom (constant whining about grades and push back on the department, refusal to complete work in a timely manner or take accountability, inappropriate clinical behavior and overall behavior absolutely not befitting a second time college student) and I am like well, no wonder! I wouldn't sign on for that!

See, now you're on to something the dean and faculty can relate to. Use it. Sympathize with them, ask them to share the ways they have dealt with these sorts of people. For your personal growth, doncha know.

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