AANA urges Medicare to consider hospital anesthesiology efficiency measures

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AANA Urges Medicare to Consider Hospital Anesthesiology Efficiency Measures

The AANA has recommended that Medicare consider the costs of various anesthesia delivery models and of hospital anesthesia subsidies per anesthetizing location as part of quality measures intended to capture the efficiency of hospital anesthesia services.

The June 21 letter, signed by President Janice Izlar, CRNA, DNAP, stated, "The Agency may want to consider the costs of meeting the seven medical direction steps as part of the anesthesiology spending and cost-efficiency measure. Under the medical direction practice model, the medical directing anesthesiologist must complete seven steps in order to bill for this modality. The Agency has clearly stated that medical direction is a condition for payment for anesthesiologist services and not a quality standard."

The AANA discussed the ways that the requirements associated with anesthesiologist medical direction claims contribute to healthcare cost growth, noting specifically the requirement that the anesthesiologist be "present at induction." "For every minute spent waiting for an anesthesiologist to arrive and be present at induction, some of the costliest resources in the hospital are wasted. The clock is running on the surgeon, circulating nurse, scrub tech, and nurse anesthetist waiting in the operating room. Waiting costs cascade throughout the day, postponing the surgery schedule to require overtime and on-call staff, delaying the surgeon's rounds to affect patient care and discharge of the patient from the healthcare facility. Waiting costs also add opportunity costs, diverting needed resources from other patient care," continued the letter.

The letter also recommends including the cost per anesthetizing location as part of the proposed anesthesiology measure since hospitals pay an average of $160,096 per anesthetizing location to anesthesiology groups, and increasing the weight placed on clinical process of care measures, such as the Surgical Care Improvement Project (SCIP) measures, under the hospital value based purchasing program.

Specializes in Anesthesia, Pain, Emergency Medicine.

Well post a style manual that disagrees with what I posted. Show us the evidence.

No offense but it is not enough to just post your opinion. :)

Now lets get back to the original post. This would effectively eliminate most ACT models and MDA only as they are today, and to get rid of anesthesia providers that can only be used through medical direction i.e. AAs.

This is of course your goal. There is no altruistic "lets save our poor government a few bucks" concept going on here. It's dollars and competition plain and simple. You want it all and don't want anyone else to have anything. This has been the history of CRNA organizations ever since AA's first appeared in 1971. They are, and always have been, scared to death of the competition.

Specializes in critcal care, CRNA.

This is of course your goal. There is no altruistic "lets save our poor government a few bucks" concept going on here. It's dollars and competition plain and simple. You want it all and don't want anyone else to have anything. This has been the history of CRNA organizations ever since AA's first appeared in 1971. They are, and always have been, scared to death of the competition.

Or protective of a practice that the MDA want total control over. Yes there's money involved. Why do you think they created AAs? The CRNAs and AAs get paid the same in the same practice settings but avg pay is higher for CRNAs nationally. What's a good way to control that? Try and control the market. Sounds right.

Specializes in ICU + Infection Prevention.

Only nursing insists on putting their license first, and incorrectly so. Every other profession, medical or nonmedical, follows proper style.

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Specializes in Anesthesia.
This is of course your goal. There is no altruistic "lets save our poor government a few bucks" concept going on here. It's dollars and competition plain and simple. You want it all and don't want anyone else to have anything. This has been the history of CRNA organizations ever since AA's first appeared in 1971. They are, and always have been, scared to death of the competition.

Getting rid of ACTs and AAs does save the government and people money. I do not make anymore or less if AAs are eliminated, but IMO if ACT and AAs are excluded then the practice of anesthesia can continue to grow without the need for direction/supervision.

AAs do not extend care. They cannot provide more care and are limited by the number of MDAs available. Whereas CRNAs are not limited by the number of MDAs, and can provide care independently. CRNAs are not controlled by another group (ASA), and can grow without the need of another groups approval. AAs are nothing more than a political tool used by the ASA.

Specializes in Anesthesia, Pain, Emergency Medicine.

Guys,

Don't even respond to these idiotic posts. He is only looking to troll you. If he gets no responses, soon he will leave as he gets no attention.

This is of course your goal. There is no altruistic "lets save our poor government a few bucks" concept going on here. It's dollars and competition plain and simple. You want it all and don't want anyone else to have anything. This has been the history of CRNA organizations ever since AA's first appeared in 1971. They are, and always have been, scared to death of the competition.
Guys,

Don't even respond to these idiotic posts. He is only looking to troll you. If he gets no responses, soon he will leave as he gets no attention.

You're the one that hijacked the thread when you complained about how they placed initials after your name.

This thread is hilarious :).

Specializes in Education, FP, LNC, Forensics, ED, OB.

This thread is definitively not hilarious. It's disrespectful and irritating. There is another like thread going on right now.

If the debates cannot remain respectful - leave the trolling at home. Add to the debate positively, or please just find another site to post.

The non-nurses are welcome to post, but you are guests, please remember that. Our first priority is to respect and support our advanced practice nurses: CRNA, NP, CNM, CNS. If the non-nurse would like to enter into a debate that can be respectful, non-personal, and intelletual, please continue.

If not, we invite the non-nursing individuals to move on to another site.

Respectful warning here and future posts like the ones we've had past couple days wlll be removed and points assigned.

(if any non-nursing guest would like his/her account closed, you may respectfully post in the Help Desk and so advise the Admin

And there's always someone who will do it for less, which is one of the biggest problems with anesthesia management companies. That's when quality of patient care starts to become secondary to financial considerations.

Yes, let's keep in mind who is the most important person here: The patient.

Specializes in Anesthesia, Pain, Emergency Medicine.

And what does that have to do with jwk trolling CRNAs about billing practices?

Mine was obviously not a troll. As I AM a practicing CRNA, I am very concerned about how we are perceived by other professionals. It looks pretty odd if we (nurses) can't use post nominals correctly. It appeared to be a good time for a teaching moment.

I had to actually ask about how to place my initials when I got my doctorate. Before that, I was incorrectly using my post nominals as in xxxxx CRNA, MS. I now use xxxx DNAP, CRNA, FNP-C.

I did not mean it as a derogatory post.

BTW, not "my name", my name had nothing to do with it. It was the author's name.

You're the one that hijacked the thread when you complained about how they placed initials after your name.
Or protective of a practice that the MDA want total control over. Yes there's money involved. Why do you think they created AAs? The CRNAs and AAs get paid the same in the same practice settings but avg pay is higher for CRNAs nationally. What's a good way to control that? Try and control the market. Sounds right.

As I've pointed out frequently, AA's were not created as a method of control. Please try to remember that a majority of CRNA's practice in ACT practices, and that those practicing independently are a vocal minority.

So - if a CRNA and MD each do a Medicare case at hospitals across the street from each other - same surgery, same duration, same patient modifiers - who gets paid more?

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