A Lesson Learned

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Again, there is another thread started- which could be interpreted by some as passive-aggressive remarks about advanced degree nurses, and it could not. I read it and felt slightly insulted, and I responded. The thread now, appears to be taking on another ugly turn, and probably because I am involved. I sat here, after reading the replies, and started to feel exhausted again. Exhausted at feeling dismissed, put-down, not valued; all the things that nurses in general feel. I then thought back to when I was in school and when I decided to be a nurse.

I originally was a biology major. I loved the sciences and ultimately wanted to be a scientist. I worked in an environmental lab during college doing distillations and loved what I was learning. Somewhere, back in 1991 or 1992, I made the change to nursing. I also, while I enjoyed the sciences, loved infants and newborns and had a desire to take care of them. The nursing curriculum offered enough science courses to feed my hunger for them, and, would provide me the knowledge to obtain my RN license, so, I changed majors. At that time, I knew nothing of nursing as it is today. I did not know what an LPN was. I did not know that there were diploma programs and that nurses didn't have degrees. I assumed they all did. I thought nothing of it. I thought that all nurses were RNs and nothing else.

When I entered the curriculum, I then learned that no, not all nurses have BSNs. I learned how there used to be diploma programs, and how there are ADN programs. I learned in my management classes that, as a RN, I will most likely be delegating to other individuals to perform tasks. I learned that, as a BSN, I will be taught things that are not included in other programs. I learned that, as a BSN, I will have more opportunity to acquire positions that will possibly evoke change in the profession, or develop theories or test studies that could change how we practice. I was seeing this through the eyes of a young college student, who was eager to graduate and use what I've learned. I was eager to make a difference. Maybe my program was wrong is grooming us with this mindset, maybe it wasn't. But that is how I saw it at that time.

I then graduated college and it was the single most proudest moment of my life. As my academic hood was placed around my neck, and as I accepted my degree, and as I saw my family sitting in the crowd, looking at me realizing all the obstacles I had overcome, all the challenges I had faced, all the hours I had worked as a lab assistant, as a receptionist and as a bus-person to pay for school, I realized at that time, all that I had accomplished - and all that I had yet to do.

I started my nursing career in labor and delivery. I had a rough orientation, but loved learning the "skills" of L&D. I loved the challange that being an obstetric nurse provided. I joined AWHONN and attended conference after conference, read journal after journal, analyzing and critiquing the design, the method to see if I could apply it to my practice.

It was not until I joined internet communities that I came to learn that BSNs in fact, are not always valued by other nurses. No, other nurses don't look up to you for it. No, other nurses don't admire you for it. In fact, quite the opposite. Some people perceive BSNs as lacking basic skills, as having unnecessary classes, or, worse yet, as "just letters behind your name." I hear those comments, and I think back to my graduation day, and I almost want to cry. Cry at my choice to change my major back in 1991. Cry at the innocence that was lost the moment I became a working professional nurse. Now, I am hardened, suspicious, defensive and tired. I was disenchanted with the whole division of nursing, confused as to the roles each nurse played, stunned at the remarks about bachelor's degrees in general. Nursing made me what I am now: bitter.

I enrolled back into school because alot of the jobs I wanted as a nurse required a Master's degree. I also yearned to be back in that environment - the environment in which everyone is there to accomplish one thing - and that is to learn and to foster everyone else's learning. We read fellow graduate's theses and dissertations and are amazed at their findings and theories. We don't dismiss them or put them down because we LACK our Master's; in fact, we admire them. I have found that I can only function happily in the academic environment.

It was a sad realization, and I guess I just realized this now, after reading some of these threads. I feel the nursing profession has done nothing to foster my growth, but only hinder it. I am constantly reminded by my fellow nurses to "put my degree aside" and "keep myself in check." Do not tell anyone of your accomplishments - because, they aren't really what matters anyway. Well, it matters to me. :o

Thus, I retreat back to the hallowed halls of academia, to sequester in the quiet, somber alleys of the library filled with thousands of ideas that I have yet to discover. I find comfort in the old, creaky buildings from 1839 and the 200 year old Oak tree.

I guess, I wrote this thread to finally put into words what I've apparently felt for some time, but never really have been able to articulate. And I guess, I feel that I've given to my profession but haven't gotten anything back. Sometimes I feel that I should've stayed with biology.

I will make a difference in nursing, but it will not be at the bedside, I can almost guarantee you that. I will make my difference from afar, in writings and publications and research; in my ideas and theories, and, with my students. And, I feel that I am just as valuable in that regard as anyone who works at the bedside.

I just had to say that. :o

Specializes in LDRP; Education.
Originally posted by Huganurse

What are you talking about?? I read all the posts on this thread since your last post and I fail to find anything close to what you are accusing. The last few posts here have been productive and supportive of all nurses. The threads do take on a life of their own and turn in different directions than the original post, but is that not OK? Why are you so angry??? I understand why you would be angry at bashing and insults toward BSN's, but all I see is a bunch of nurses trying to figure this whole thing out... to lead to the end of finding a possible solution or atleast understanding of why nurses do not respect each other for who and what they are.

Ohhh geez. :imbar

The above post was in response to the Minimum Entry for Nursing thread - I had posted a couple thinks stating that other professions require a BS, and I was slammed for that and accused of using bulldozing techniques and was told that BSNs should get speaking classes. That's why I was upset. Despite this thread - people still attack me about the BSN.

That's what I meant. Sorry if I didn't come across the best. :imbar

suzy k-it sounds as if you have a right to be bitter.I'm thankfully I haven't been run down every job I've been at. Sure there are a few difficult people everywhere but I've found support too. I am proud of my degree. I'm the first college grad on my mom's side of the family. I think the problem lies in that there are some who make it harder on the rest of us. When I first started on the med-surg floor here in Indy and they found I was an RN, BSN the techs and LPN's said things like oh another chairside nurse.Meaning i would make them respond to all lights, med requests, etc that I was only there to do the paperwork. Well that is a part of my job that noone else can do, but I dispelled their comments by being a hard worker,pitching in to do the yukky stuff, and not passing work on to someone else if I was doing nothing(admittedly that is a rare moment). I feel I am respected as a nurse, co-worker, and mentor to those I work with because I am a BSN grad and because they see the fruit of labor. Unfortunetly I also see the chairside nurse- even down in the ER where I work now. All we can do is be the best we can be or find a place like you have in acadamia where maybe you can instill hard work and pride. We need both parts and all types of nurses. Me -I don't think I could handle any more school till my kids are out of the house(12& 9).But I'm thankful you can!

Specializes in Pediatric Rehabilitation.

I've read this BSN vs ADN vs LPN bullcrap so much on this board here lately, that I can't even make myself read this whole thread, BUT of course I have something to add.

I have thought alot lately about this educational division that keeps causing these fights. Since I'm sitting middle of the road on the food chain, I tried to put myself in everyone's position.

I don't understand why BSN's are so damn offended by resistance, I don't understand why ADN's are so damn threatened by the talk of a BSN entry (there's a nursing shortage for God's sake..do you really think you'd be out of a job??!!). I don't understand why LPN's are offended when RN's aren't comfortable signing for things we don't do/see done.

It all boils down to ONE thing..YOU. If you aren't proud of yourself; If YOU aren't comfortable with yourself; If you aren't working to satisfy YOU....YOU will never be happy. If you're a hamburger flipper at McD's and that is what YOU are happy doing, there's not a person on earth that can upset or offend you by calling you "burger boy". On the other hand, if your goal is to impress others..you'll probably get your feelings hurt a few times.

I was talking to one of our NP's earlier tonight who has very little self-confidence. I started thinking about this bb and this issue of education. I realized that many nurses that I work around who have advanced degrees actually lack SELF confidence, all their identity is as "so $ so's NP". I think many who feel that the number of years of education should determine the validity of self are doing just that..trying to prove self with letters, degrees, years. It'll never happen. And then, sure there are some of us who'd like to have more education, more letters, more years, but are just too damn lazy to do it..so we resent and attack those who go for it. Neither will ever be happy. Then there are those who are just the burger flippers of nursing..and damn proud of it. Those who are living their dream based on desire to care for others, to be a nurse...not to be respected because of professional achievements. Those who don't feel the need to say I'm a MSN, BSN, ADN, DIPLOMA, LPN...they're just proud to be a nurse. Those will be the happier ones.

just mUNho...now to figure where I fall in my great philosophical grouping...:p

nurs4kids, I couldn't have said it better! Amen, Amen, AMEN!!!

Specializes in LDRP; Education.

Tracy,

I thought you had a well-written post.

You've been unusually silent lately and I've been wondering about that. Now I know.

I agree that intrinsic happiness and self-worth and very important and can carry a person a long way. I am intrinsically happy in my accomplishments and what I have overcome, despite my obstacles. But even the most intrinsically happy person has a need for love (or acceptance) from people around them. It's human nature and a part of living.

I feel happy that I am a nurse, I am proud of my accomplishments and am proud to be a nurse. But, at times, with everything going on: the shortages, patients yelling at me, the obvious lack of respect at times, can make even the strongest person feel a little questionable in their roles.

Part of being intrinsically happy too is feeling accomplished in your profession, or whatever it is your doing. Yes, I agree, the burger flipper, if happy in his role, can ignore the comments of "burger boy" from others. But, what if the burger flipper NEXT to him calls him "burger boy?" What if the french fryer, whom he admires, calls him "burger boy?" What if his own profession thinks he's just a "burger boy?" I think anyone, regardless of their profession, looks for acknowledgement and acceptance in their chosen field. And I felt, for a moment when I started this thread, that THAT was what was lacking. I felt, for a variety of reasons, that despite my being happy with my BSN, my profession wasn't and neither were my colleagues. I can tolerate disparaging remarks from non-nurses, but when the remarks or attitudes come from MY profession, I think anyone, not just me, would start to at least question if the value they placed on their accomplishments was indeed valid.

That was really where I was coming from.

I sense some disappointment in me from you, for being a hell-raiser here. I could be wrong, but I just wanted you to see where I was coming from. It wasn't meant to be a b**ch session, but more self-reflective.

I hope you understand.

:)

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