SICK of BSN Pedestal

[DUDERNGUY]

Get off the Pedestal with the whole BSN vs ADN thing. A fact this is overlooked is that ADN does the same job as BSN and passes the NCLEX. Everyone then cried ADN is uneducated blah blah. WHY dont we look at the 4 year universities instead? Why doesnt the BSN itself advance? Because taking an extra gym glass doesnt deserve it. Look at all the worthless pre reqs that you BSN's are taking over the ADN. It isnt making you a better nurse its all about the money the school systems are a business. We need to change the education system. SWAP out that spanish you are going to forget the second after the test and take some critical thinking. Be gone with that Open elective to take baking class and replace it with PSYCH. The problem is the ADN is a efficient degree with time/pre-reqs and the BSN is created to give the "big man" money. Sorry if you wasted 100k in debt.

why are hospitals going magnet? because the universities are lobbiest to the hospitals. Universites need there money and they dont like ADNs getting the jobs BSNs are getting for a fraction of the cost. Universities have paid, persuaded, and convinced hospitals to go magnet and it is not because 4 year nurses are better.

IF universities ever decide to stop the worthless pre reqs and uni requirements then maybe one day a BSN nurse would have a true advantage.

[excited1]

Im entering my ADN program this fall and i am SO PROUD of myself. Then when i graduate, i will apply to an RN-BSN program and will be even more proud. After that, i will go on to get my CRNA (masters) and be soooooo amazed at myself. If you dont feel like you need a BSN or higher, great! That leaves more room for the rest of us who want one. Less people to have to compete with. If you are happy with your choices, there is no reason to minimize another by generalizing ALL nursing programs. This is a safe place to vent and find out the answers to questions "why, why, why". Rather then ranting, be open minded and ask questions why people feel the way they do about an ADN vs. BSN.

We dont come here to judge one another. We come her to offer support and advice. If you are happy with what you have, OWN IT!

If you want good responses, you could try starting a thread that shows you are proud of yourself and everyone else on here but looking into more information why some shun the ADN.

Good luck to you in your career. It sounds like you are content. Have a beautiful evening. Life is too short to worry about everyone else is thinking or doing........well, except for your patients.

[brandy1017, ASN, RN]

There really is no competition to get into an RN-BSN program. They are a dime a dozen and you have your choice of local or online, public, private, profit or non-profit. They all are happy to get their hands on the tuition money!

[excited1]

There really is no competition to get into an RN-BSN program. They are a dime a dozen and you have your choice of local or online, public, private, profit or non-profit. They all are happy to get their hands on the tuition money!

Depending on what Masters program and school you choose, it does matter where you get your BSN and sometimes those RN-BSN programs are limited entry. Program accreditation is very important to some colleges. We just always have to be sure the schools we want will accept what we have.

[kalevra, BSN, RN]

I just learned the local for profit school in my city is now offering an Rn program. They are in the process of getting their paper work approved by the BRN. Another profitable RN factory goes online.

I seriously need to get in on this scam. Charging $40,000 a year for tuition and fees per student multiplied by 20 students a cohort. The funny thing is the school was started by a family of RNs all working in the same hospital.

It just blows my mind how far away I can get from bedside nursing. I cannot imagine spending 20 years wiping poop. Time to work on my next move that will set me up for the next few decades. From what I have seen of the decline in treatment of RN staff by management, I do not want to be spend mire time than I have to before leaving.

[BostonFNP, APRN]

What makes you assume it's not going to be a quality program?

[msygrnbw]

Since when is it the nurses acting like they are 'better'? You wanna complain - it's not BSNs that make these goals, it's the facilities. So start saying this to the people actual talking about it - we can jabberjaw all day about what we think and it won't make a difference when they come down to hiring.

I have a BSN and it took me about 7 years cause I couldn't decide what field I wanted to go into (And I regret I settled on nursing!), don't think that makes me any better/worse than anyone else in the field - just means I put in the time to get what I did. That being said, I am not mourning the fact that I spent a ton of money to afford that degree and those extra classes and that puts me ahead of someone with an ADN. Can you say that you would really be peeved if you got an extra 2 years of classes and studying plus tuition costs and it got you a position ahead of someone else?

Basically IMO either 1) Suck it up and be happy you have a job/keep applying til you find the right fit or 2) Go back and get your BSN because getting a job is at least half if not more about how you market yourself

I apologize if this sounds crass, but as a person who spent the time and money to get a BSN I'm tired of reading posts about people who hate that the 'bar' has become BSN. If you don't want it - don't get it. But for those of us who did it was expensive and time consuming and we aren't somehow trying to be 'better' than you.

[jessica.lanelle]

Why would a more educated person get a better job? That's terrible.

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[GingerRN17]

I dont understand why its so wrong for a college who is a BUSINESS and wants to make money, to do just that? Obviously if they see a demand for something, and they can supply it, then more power to them.

And not all BSN programs are that expensive. If you dont want to spend that much, find a cheaper alternative. My BSN program is very very affordable. My loan's will be around the $6000 mark, because thats what the BSN program is here at one of the cheaper universities. Even at the one of the huge, top universities here, its around $17000. Thats it!

If you don't have the money or dont want the loan, then don't get it. Or find another option. No one is MAKING people get BSN's, but just like with any other job, the when there is an over supply of a lower educated employee, the bar will be raised.

[brandy1017, ASN, RN]

Depending on what Masters program and school you choose, it does matter where you get your BSN and sometimes those RN-BSN programs are limited entry. Program accreditation is very important to some colleges. We just always have to be sure the schools we want will accept what we have.

Honestly RN to BSN programs are not competitive. They are open to all ADN's with the money, but if you want to pursue an MSN or NP in the future than you must be selective in what BSN program you choose. The wrong program could limit your ability to get into an MSN program in the future.

There really should be more RN to MSN/NP options available instead of forcing people to go into debt for a BSN first. It really discourages people from advancing due to the extra time and money it takes to get a BSN when your ultimate goal might be MSN/NP! But the colleges need to get their grubby hands on as much money as they can and that is why they force you to get a BSN first!

[brandy1017, ASN, RN]

I dont understand why its so wrong for a college who is a BUSINESS and wants to make money, to do just that? Obviously if they see a demand for something, and they can supply it, then more power to them.

And not all BSN programs are that expensive. If you dont want to spend that much, find a cheaper alternative. My BSN program is very very affordable. My loan's will be around the $6000 mark, because thats what the BSN program is here at one of the cheaper universities. Even at the one of the huge, top universities here, its around $17000. Thats it!

If you don't have the money or dont want the loan, then don't get it. Or find another option. No one is MAKING people get BSN's, but just like with any other job, the when there is an over supply of a lower educated employee, the bar will be raised.

Actually some hospitals are making their nurses get a BSN or be fired! This is happening already on the East Coast.

As for the cost of colleges when a BA/BS becomes a requirement to get a decent job and people must rely on student loans to get this stupid piece of paper, there should be limits on what colleges can charge. Just like there should be limits on what healthcare costs!

College tuition has risen even faster than healthcare and we are creating a generation of indentured servants just for a chance at a decent job, not even a guarantee. I feel for all the poor college grads working as secretaries, waitresses, janitors, bartenders, CNA's who are stuck in a dead end job and now loaded down with student loans they may end up taking to their graves! We have CNA's with college degrees making less than $15/hour with thousands in student loans and I imagine some will end up with their social security garnished to pay it all back. Here I am with just an ADN making more money than others who went to school like they were told to do, but things didn't work out the way they planned. Maybe I'm just a bleeding heart, but this bothers me when I see others struggling just to get by, whose attempt for a better life has left them worse off financially!

[excited1]

Honestly RN to BSN programs are not competitive. They are open to all ADN's with the money, but if you want to pursue an MSN or NP in the future than you must be selective in what BSN program you choose. The wrong program could limit your ability to get into an MSN program in the future.

There really should be more RN to MSN/NP options available instead of forcing people to go into debt for a BSN first. It really discourages people from advancing due to the extra time and money it takes to get a BSN when your ultimate goal might be MSN/NP! But the colleges need to get their grubby hands on as much money as they can and that is why they force you to get a BSN first!

Thats exactly what my post implied, just in fewer words.

[exp626]

The OP unwittingly makes a very good case for higher education. Perhaps it would help with sentence structure, spelling, and grammar. I've been an ADN for 18 years and many of my younger coworkers have their BSNs. I'm a resource to them and we respect each other. The hard facts are they have more opportunities than me. I'm halfway through my BSN program because I desire to be relevant in a competitive market. If the OP doesn't care to go back to school, maybe he could just read a few books.