Nurses fired for refusing flu vaccine - page 5

by BrandybunsRN

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While I personally do not like the flu shot either.... I have been required to get a Hep B vaccine, MMR all current, etc etc .... so not sure how this is so different?... Read More


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    There comes a time in everyone's life where enough is enough. I reached mine about two and a half months ago and I left direct patient care because I was tired of being force fed CMS regulatory kool aid anymore.

    I was shanghai-ed at 4am by the HR nurses in my facility for the flu vaccine and I dutifully took it as I was trying to complete my first year of nursing. Five months later I was sick as a dog with the flu. KareyLea covered this, I got the flu because I picked up another strain, simple as that. Since then I have not taken another flu vaccine.

    I just finished nearly three years in home health going from house to house to house every day and never got the flu and never had the flu vaccine. I did get the occasional cold and I wore a mask to protect my patients and their compromised immune systems.

    If this truly is tied to CMS mandates re:reimbursement as a previous poster reported (and I have no doubts, just didn't read the article) then y'all enjoy your government ownership. This is not about patient safety, its about money. Ask any home health nurse about 30 day hospital readmissions and you'll hear all you care to about what steps are being taken to keep patients out of the hospital to prevent a readmission. Wake the he** up people.
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    Kareylea and hawkfdc--i enjoyed reading your posts and I am in total agreement with you.
    I was the poster that stated this was tied to money. I worked in a major teaching facility until Dec 2012. I was part of administration via utilization/case management and reimbursement enhancement. This is out I found out the real reason that the shot was mandated.

    Mark my words, the day will come that this mandatory vaccination situation will change. Meanwhile research, research,research so that we can present the best factual information to our patients and others.

    Perhaps a better vaccine will be developed at some point.
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    Money will make any hospital put their staff through ANYTHING! I am honestly not surprised by that article. I don't take the vaccine myself, as I don't feel comfortable doing so. Ugh, hospital nursing sucks sometimes (well, most times lol).
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    forgive me if this was answered, but what would the religious exemption be, exactly?
    perhaps i'm an ignorant catholic
    if i was to play devils advocate i can see that perhaps she is ethically opposed to be *forced* to take in a chemical by her employer, gotcha.

    but how does religion play into the flu and immunizations?
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    Quote from olddragger
    Mulan--I will be glad to share why I think hospitals all of a sudden went to the mandatory influenza vaccinations.
    MONEY!
    Read this: http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j...HQHdZg-m7aU2Gg

    What it is basically is saying that hospitals have to report to CMS their percentage of hcw influenza vaccinations. That started in 2012. this year.

    If they do not meet the percentage of vaccinations that CMS wants then they can be penalized by a reduction in amount that Medicare reimburses the hospital. Up to 2%. Two percent at the local community hospital equals to approx 30-40 million dollars per year.

    If people want to believe that hospitals suddenly developed an interest in protecting their patients from influenza. Think again.

    This kind of reminds me how some Nurses thought that hospitals made themselves a no smoking facility in the interest of the patient's health. REALLY???
    I'm having a hard time understanding the point being made here. Medicare does not manufacture or sell immunizations. Nor do they receive a portion of the profits from vaccinations from drug companies. They are instead trying to control their costs just as they do by not paying for UTI's or Pressure Ulcers acquired in health care settings.

    Perhaps hospitals didn't suddenly develop an interest in protecting patients from influenza, maybe the facts are in from studies that have been conducted over the years. Companies study everything to death. They don't normally implement anything just from knee jerk reactions. They leave that up to the gov't to do since their money is a never ending supply.
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    Quote from Garethaus
    Thanks for the link provided of ingredients in Afluria and others like it.

    Well, I see that some of the single doses have no thimerosal or aluminium in them. That's good.

    However it is still indicated that some of the ingredients in Afluria have neurotoxic capabilities. Is the quantity of the ingredient too little to matter? Really? Is it, I have doubts these days about the benefits of vaccines.

    Always with these vaccines these days it seems with a little research I find out something negative about it, and more negative and more negative news about it that would prevent me recommending them for the benefit of the health of the patient.

    I believe that vaccines are linked to autism for a number of reasons, mostly related to ingredients like thimerosal and aluminium. Seeing that Afluria has none of these ingredients challenges my view - I like to be challenged - although I feel with more research I'll find that something like Afluria is just as destructive to a childs neurological capabilities as a vaccine containing thimerosal / aluminium.

    The trust is gone, do you know what I am saying?
    Garethaus- You do realize that the doctor that did the studies indicating a correlation between vaccines and autism is a fraud, right? He has lost his license and career due to this fraudulent study that sparked a huge increase in parents not vaccinating their kids. By continuing to spew this misinformation, especially by medical personnel, it only adds fuel to the fire.
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    Did any one read this part of the article? So 3 veteran nurses out of 8. Why only these eight? The one nurse in the story had spent 22years there.

    "The hospital said in a statement that it implemented the mandate to promote patient safety based on recommendations from the American Medical Association, the American Nurses Association, and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. It announced the mandate in September. Of the hospital's 26,000 employees statewide, 95 percent complied. That means 1,300 employees did not comply, but only eight were fired."
    An Indiana hospital has fired eight employees, including at least three veteran nurses, after they refused mandatory flu shots, stirring up controversy over which should come first: employee rights or patient safety. The hospital imposed mandatory vaccines, responding to rising concerns about the spread of influenza.
    Ethel Hoover wore all black on her last day of work as a nurse in the critical care unit at Indiana University Health Goshen Hospital. She said she was in "mourning" because she would have been at the hospital 22 years in February, and she's only called out of work four or five times in her whole career , she said.

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    Why didn't they fire 1,300 employees if they were so concerned about the "mandatory flu vaccines"
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    Quote from RNnbakes
    Did any one read this part of the article? So 3 veteran nurses out of 8. Why only these eight? The one nurse in the story had spent 22years there.

    "The hospital said in a statement that it implemented the mandate to promote patient safety based on recommendations from the American Medical Association, the American Nurses Association, and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. It announced the mandate in September. Of the hospital's 26,000 employees statewide, 95 percent complied. That means 1,300 employees did not comply, but only eight were fired."
    An Indiana hospital has fired eight employees, including at least three veteran nurses, after they refused mandatory flu shots, stirring up controversy over which should come first: employee rights or patient safety. The hospital imposed mandatory vaccines, responding to rising concerns about the spread of influenza.
    Ethel Hoover wore all black on her last day of work as a nurse in the critical care unit at Indiana University Health Goshen Hospital. She said she was in "mourning" because she would have been at the hospital 22 years in February, and she's only called out of work four or five times in her whole career , she said.

    Since the article did not say this is only speculation... Perhaps the other employees did not have direct patient contact. Maybe management, accountants, maintenance, and such.
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    As always, follow the money....................
    Quote from Mulan
    Okay, I'll bite.

    Why?


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