Nurse: 'I was fired for refusing flu shot' - page 15

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    Quote from mcneillmama3
    Even with 3 strains in the vaccine, the new science that just aired on CBS this week says the vaccine is NOT effective in adults. The nasal spray is only somewhat more effective in children. Look up the piece on CBS. It was interesting to watch. I'm sure the CDC and pharmaceutical companies that capitalize on everyone's infirmities were not too happy to see this come out on the national news.
    I don't know what CBS said, but last I checked they are not a peer reviewed scholarly source (not sure if the CDC was an approved source for scholarly research in your BSN program or not...).

    What was reported in the Lancet Infectious Diseases article (doi:10.1016/S1473-3099(11)70295-X) was the following:

    "Efficacy of trivalent inactivated vaccine (TIV) was shown in eight (67%) of the 12 seasons analysed in ten randomised controlled trials (pooled efficacy 59% [95% CI 5167] in adults aged 1865 years)."

    That doesn't say it doesn't work....it says that it seems it might not works as well as we previously thought and that we need to work to improve the efficacy of these vaccines.

    Why is it either/or...why make the case that instead of vaccinating we can use good nutrition and standard precautions? Why not protect by vaccinating and use nutrition/standard precautions?
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    Quote from Anne36
    . . . Also, the CDC is the least credible source of information I can think of outide of a Pharmaceutical company. . . .
    I don't agree. The least credible source of information that I know of is forum posters spouting unsubstantiated claims about vaccinations.
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    It's so sad to see Americans give up personal choices, freedom. I take care of patients everyday that still have bullets lodged in them from fighting to give us the freedom to choose what goes in our own bodies, for Gods sake. Reguardless of benefit we should all be outraged that Americans care so little for freedom that they are yet again trying to allow another institution to dictate to us what medications or vac. we will be required to take. This is a slippery slope allowing this to happen. You may agree to force people to take this little shot but one day when you are required to have your tonsils removed because you are told to by your employer because it lowers respiritaory infections, insurance claims, sick days and of course is safer for our patients, you will have to sleep in the bed you are making today. Why don't we require patients to have the flu shot regaurdless of what they would like? Because if they don't take it then the other patients and even myself will be put at the same risk. The answer is because it is their freedom to refuse. Yet because I work as a Nurse I loose that freedom, like magic it's just gone. Living life has inherent risk, the flu is one of them. I fear the day when we pass so many laws and serender so many rights that we are completely safe from all harm. P.S. if you want to fight for infectious risk for our patients why don't you start with housekeeping, I've have never worked at any hospital that didn't just smear the germs around and call it clean.
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    Quote from crumplers1
    . . . Living life has inherent risk . . .
    Like losing your job because you fail to comply with your employer's rules.
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    If they're considering each refusal on a case-by-case basis, I wonder if there weren't other reasons that led to her dismissal. If she was claiming religious exemption, I wonder if the letter from her minister stated that her religion opposed vaccines. Religious exemptions are under more scrutiny these days b/c some people falsely claim it. Regardless, she did have a choice, just not one she favored.
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    I have never been an advocate of flu vaccines for everybody. First of all, it is an educated guess as to what vaccines are going to be active in the next flu season. Second, it is no guarantee that you are not going to get the flu anyway. Third, you are injecting a live virus--purposely receiving something that is not guaranteed to make you ill...i.e., the tainted flu vaccine from Great Britain. Fourth, it sets a precedent to receive whatever else mandatory that they have--weight loss, smoking, dietary habits, etc. The nursing market is tightening up in many areas and they can start making demands that any other employer could not make. What about lunch workers in a school cafeteria? What about teachers? Are they going to mandate it for all employees? I don't think being snippy towards those who would dare question the rationale is appropriate either. Asking questions--Isn't that a part of using nursing judgment?
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    Quote from kaygee1
    Third, you are injecting a live virus--purposely receiving something that is not guaranteed to make you ill...i.e., the tainted flu vaccine from Great Britain. Fourth, it sets a precedent to receive whatever else mandatory that they have--weight loss, smoking, dietary habits, etc. The nursing market is tightening up in many areas and they can start making demands that any other employer could not make. What about lunch workers in a school cafeteria? What about teachers? Are they going to mandate it for all employees? I don't think being snippy towards those who would dare question the rationale is appropriate either. Asking questions--Isn't that a part of using nursing judgment?
    The intranasal flu vaccine (Flumist) is the only flu vaccine that is a live (attenuated) virus. The inactivated flu vaccine administered IM is not live, and it's the one the majority receive. Lunch workers & teachers aren't as likely to be in contact with the acutely ill, immunocompromised as a nurse would be, so it makes more sense to me to vaccinate HCWs. Your last comment - I totally agree.
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    And the Beat Goes On....
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    Well folks, I just found this thread. The reason? Even though I started an ADN program in August and was able to sign off on a form saying I was not going to get the flu shot, we were just told it is now mandatory we get it by Nov 1. I am crushed. I was so happy when I saw I did not have to get the flu vaccine to attend nursing school. I have not talked to my instructors yet. I am trying to figure out what my rights are. I am not opposed to vaccines in general or even to giving vaccines. I have a very strong belief against mandating vaccines, in particular the flu shot as I see it as a different category than vaccines that have been shown and proven to be effective. I have an autoimmune disorder and so I was wondering if that is a medical exemption. I also have a minor latex allergy and some other allergies. I always have side effects to vaccines but nothing that they would call serious. I have been enjoying nursing school and it has been starting to become part of me. But this mandatory vaccine that infringes on my personal rights.....maybe the healthcare system doesn't want good, compassionate, loving, caring, smart, non-vaccinated nurses.
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    Quote from imjustme123
    Well folks, I just found this thread. The reason? Even though I started an ADN program in August and was able to sign off on a form saying I was not going to get the flu shot, we were just told it is now mandatory we get it by Nov 1. I am crushed. I was so happy when I saw I did not have to get the flu vaccine to attend nursing school. I have not talked to my instructors yet. I am trying to figure out what my rights are. I am not opposed to vaccines in general or even to giving vaccines. I have a very strong belief against mandating vaccines, in particular the flu shot as I see it as a different category than vaccines that have been shown and proven to be effective. I have an autoimmune disorder and so I was wondering if that is a medical exemption. I also have a minor latex allergy and some other allergies. I always have side effects to vaccines but nothing that they would call serious. I have been enjoying nursing school and it has been starting to become part of me. But this mandatory vaccine that infringes on my personal rights.....maybe the healthcare system doesn't want good, compassionate, loving, caring, smart, non-vaccinated nurses.
    A contact latex allergy and an autoimmune disease are not contraindications to flu vaccination. We are mandated to do many things as healthcare professionals that we may not want to do. Continue to be compassionate, and do not pass up a vaccine that may prevent you from passing an illness to your patients. http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vpd-vac/...t-vacc.htm#flu
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