Mandatory Flu Vaccines- How do you feel? - page 3

by Snowbird17

Anyone else upset by the requirement to take flu vaccine or else... not even a mask option??? Only way out is a MD note stating "severe" allergy. Why is it we can't force our patients but our hospitals can force us. I am... Read More


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    Quote from ColoradoRN17
    Wow Asystole. Space aliens- excellent reference. Perhaps the moms who took Thalidomine would have appreciated such a comforting analogy before studies were compiled linking that med to birth defects..... I happen to feel the flu shot is very benign but should my employer have the right to force me to take it without offering an alternative? I support the policy as well as long as I can have the option to wear a mask. They are not offering that option this year. Am I really in a position to choose a new employer- I only have a few shifts left before leave. No one will hire me waddling like a duck to work a few weeks and then go on leave. Plus, what about my benefits, etc.

    I read through a couple of your other posts to get a feel for the meaning behind your response. This is a quote from a previous post from you...."Hooray for socialized medicine! I love it how government can dictate how we use our bodies. " Glad we draw the line at government but for-profits do what you will to me. I have rights, just not as many as the patients I care for. FYI- in some states this is mandated by the department of health. That is a government agency.....


    I take the flu shot, as does my child with an egg allergy. My concern is not the vaccine it is this small step an employer can imposing on my choice for my body. My reasoning for debating the vaccine is irrelevant. I should have left that out. I follow all company guidelines. I am not a problem employee. This is not just my hospital or my company.

    Will I comply, more than likely. That is not the point. Sadly, I wonder what will be required of healthcare workers in the future because of the tolerance for such requirements now.

    Seems vaccinating the patient really protects the patient. Oh, your nurse didn't give you the flu but the cab driver who picked you up did.

    Flyingscot, I did search the 8 billion other posts. Many brought up the alternative option of wearing a mask. I was curious how other nurses felt about not being given an alternative.
    My hypothesis of space aliens causing allergies is just as valid as yours, if we utilize the lack of refuting studies as the benchmark.

    There is a significant difference between the government mandating compliance, which you do not have a choice in the participation of, and a private employer in which you voluntarily engage in a relationship with. You voluntarily applied to, and accepted the conditions of, the employment conditions in which they proposed. The silliness of your complaint is equal to someone working in the OR and complaining that they do not want to wear pants because no study has been conducted refuting the correlation between pants and pant allergies.

    Can you believe that my employer mandates that I wear shoes? What an intrusion on my personal freedoms. Its not like I applied for employment, petitioned for a particular position, accepted the policies, and work of my own free will.

    EDIT:

    I would like to say though, I do think it is rather naive for a facility to mandate vaccine without a compromise. At my current employer we have the mask option, which is strictly enforced.
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    Well, there is a very simple answer for you: take a different position that doesn't require a vaccine that makes you uncomfortable. You said yourself that wouldn't be a problem. Comply or leave. It really isn't that big a conundrum.
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    I'm a little on the fence about this. On one hand, it's your body and nobody but you has the right to mandate what goes in it.
    On the other hand, you are not a patient of the facility, therefore patients' rights do not apply. You are an at-will employee of the facility and the vaccination is a condition of your employment.
    I suppose they're not eliminating the freedom for you to choose the vaccination or not, because you technically still have the choice to quit or be fired.
    I have the choice to shoot up heroin if I want to, it's my body. However, being drug-free is a condition of my employment, and they are perfectly justified in firing me if I am not.
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    Asystole- Extraterrestrials aside, the lack of an alternative was my point. Is the State Health Dept a private sector provider?

    BlueDevil- I did not say that, it was another post. Honestly, do you think that one's career being threaten is so flippant that it can be summed up to " It really isn't that big a conundrum". Once again, it's not the vaccine it is the lack of alternative.
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    Yes, I really do. They aren't "threatening your career," that is unnecessarily hyperbolic and it makes it hard to take you seriously. You have the option of pursuing your career there or elsewhere. All the pontificating doesn't change the fact that it is an extremely simple and straight forward situation. They have set standards to which you must adhere if you wish to maintain the privilege of remaining in their employ. Opt to meet the standards, or not. I really do not see the need for all the drama. It is just a choice. One that is yours entirely. Your "alternative" is to work elsewhere. They don't owe you anything else. I am truly puzzled that you would suggest that they do. It is not a negotiation.
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    Quote from Snowbird17
    Asystole- Extraterrestrials aside, the lack of an alternative was my point. Is the State Health Dept a private sector provider?

    BlueDevil- I did not say that, it was another post. Honestly, do you think that one's career being threaten is so flippant that it can be summed up to " It really isn't that big a conundrum". Once again, it's not the vaccine it is the lack of alternative.
    Do employers have a right to set conditions upon the terms of employment of their employees as described in their contract, formal or informal? Yes.

    The State Dept is not a private sector employer of course, but you still have the right to accept or decline the terms of employment. I certainly do not accept the conditions of my local State Dept, hence I declined to engage in the employer-employee relationship with them.

    I understand the frustration over there not being an alternative but some people see the health of the patients and the employees to be so important that they made this policy mandatory. I do not fault them for that. Just imagine the amount of money that is lost to sick employees alone, not to mention what happens to the patients.

    EDIT: OP, I do not want to freak you out but some hospitals are actually mandating that employees be nicotine free, and test for it. That means no smokes at work or at home...
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    Two of the letters are in opposition to the Feds mandating flu vaccines and the other opposes the flu vaccine AND requirement for masks.

    Since we are discussing the right of employers mandating the vaccine, none of those addresses the current topic.
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    Your OP raises questions about flu vaccine safety because there are no studies refuting any link between flu vaccines in pregnant women and egg allergies in children, and you question safety if the vaccine because it's OK for a fetus but not newborn baby.....but you're OK getting the vaccine and this is about employee rights?

    OK...
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    Quote from Jory
    I actually do have lots of employment opportunities because of my training.

    I am one of those people that gets horribly ill about a week after the flu vaccine. Yes, I know you don't get the flu from the vaccine but it does SOMETHING to where I am horribly ill with 100% accuracy with a very high fever that knocks me on my rear for a minimum of a week.

    One of the health nurses at my job came around and was high pressuring nurses to get the flu vaccine and I said, "I'll be happy to take the vaccine as long as they'll pay me if I get sick in a week to where I won't have to use my PTO time."

    That is why I don't take it....I actually don't mind the illness, it's getting screwed out of my pay when I get sick that I get upset over.
    I have to agree that the reaction seriously sucks. I had my first reaction to the flu shot about 2 years ago, and it was almost exactly 1 week after the shot. I had a really high fever but absolutely no other symptoms. So I felt like crap but that was pretty much it. It happened again last year almost exactly a week after as well. I'm in my first semester of a direct entry program, and I just got the vaccine on Friday. Can't wait for a week from now!


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