Why a C-Section? - page 10

Hi everyone, I was just wondering why so many women are choosing to undergo ceasarean delivery without even a trial of labor? Don't they realize it is a major abdominal surgery and they will be in... Read More

  1. by   nurse4theplanet
    Quote from SmilingBluEyes
    OH please---- for the love of respectful debate, do not drag the abortion issues into this discussion. Choice, I support---INFORMED and RESPONSIBLE choices.
    Abortion is an entirely separate issue; please keep that in mind. Thank you.
    My comparison is not between abortion and elective c/s but for the act of CHOICE which many posters during this respectful debate have been against. I am glad you support choice, and I wish others were more open minded. Thank You!
  2. by   TweetiePieRN
    Quote from janetrnc
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    Wow! In my unit c-section deliveries get up and get their foley out in 8 hours and when they are ambulatory and tolerating po then switch to oral meds, very little n/v, not much problem with gas ( we give simethicone w/meals and hs)... they go home in 48 hours and usually have had a BM by then
    YEp, this was my experience! My c-section experience, hospital stay was awesome! I had the greatest nurses. I did not have a lot of pain...no gas probs either! Being a nurse, I followed all the rules to a T! I walked ALOT with the baby in his little bassinet, I used that IS like it was going out of style, did alot of CDB.

    My doctor asked me if I wanted to go home early...I said no, so I stayed an extra day by choice.
  3. by   fergus51
    Quote from Q.
    If C-sections only affected the mother, I wouldn't really care how she chooses to deliver. But the fact remains that c-sections ultimately affect the baby and generally speaking, c-sections are harder on infants and more times than not, section babies have to stay under an oxy-hood and suffer more breathing difficulties as a result. The birth through the vaginal canal acts to squeeze that lung fluid out and help the baby adapt to breathing room air.

    I am very much pro-woman and honor their bodies and their choices. But when it comes to childbirth, it's not just the woman at stake. I believe the delivery choice should be made with ALL parties in mind ~ meaning, both the mother and the infant's well-being should be taken into consideration.

    Having an elective section simply out of the mother's wishes and NOT taking the infant into account is what I don't agree with. Period.
    THANK YOU! I thought I was the only one. We get more c-section babies admitted from newborn nursery because they are grunty than I care to mention. Most parents would never associate that with the c-section though.
  4. by   fergus51
    Quote from asoldierswife05
    My comparison is not between abortion and elective c/s but for the act of CHOICE which many posters during this respectful debate have been against. I am glad you support choice, and I wish others were more open minded. Thank You!
    Your post seemed to equate the two though. I am all for choice, but not in every instance. For example, I don't think women should CHOOSE to use drugs and drink while pregnant. Does that make me judgemental? Sure. Like all people, I make judgements about what I think it right and wrong. I personally think it's wrong to schedule an elective surgery with real medical risks to mother AND BABY who obviously isn't giving consent and because it does affect other people too. That doesn't mean I don't look after those women with the same care I do others, it just means I'm human and have opinions like everybody else. Being open minded doesn't mean you don't ever have informed opinions.
  5. by   Q.
    Quote from asoldierswife05

    Excellent post! It should be completely up to the MOTHER since it is HER body and HER baby...only SHE will have to suffer the after effects of the type of labor she chooses, not the health care workers passing judgement based on their personal feelings.

    No, not only SHE will have to suffer the after effects of the type of labor she chooses - so will the BABY. That is why so many practitioners have problems with elective sections. Generally speaking, sections are rough on babies.
  6. by   nurse4theplanet
    Quote from Q.
    No, not only SHE will have to suffer the after effects of the type of labor she chooses - so will the BABY. That is why so many practitioners have problems with elective sections. Generally speaking, sections are rough on babies.
    If you read my entire post, I acknowledged this point.
  7. by   TweetiePieRN
    Quote from asoldierswife05
    My comparison is not between abortion and elective c/s but for the act of CHOICE which many posters during this respectful debate have been against. I am glad you support choice, and I wish others were more open minded. Thank You!
    BINGO!! Although, I may not agree with someone having an elective c-section "just because"...its not my choice, if its not happening to me. I believe in choice all the way around.

    I don't personally take offense to any of the negative talk regarding women who choose c-sections, it just reminds me though of how judgmental women really are towards other women. I mean this, in any aspect of a woman's life. Elementary school thru adulthood!

    I had a c-section, my son is circumcised, I was not able to breastfeed so he got GASP formula! You would not believe the backlash I got from so many people because of these things. As a 1st time mother, it made me feel so inadequate and a "horrible mom". I ended up with PPD, which was only compounded to be worse since I took the rude comments to heart.

    Fast forward to today...I don't care what people think about all that because my baby is healthy and happy...and so am I. But, just to reiterate...it was all women who were making those judgments on me and making me feel bad.

    Its great to have opinions! But, if it is directed right at someone...think about what impact you might be having on that person's life. I am a good person...but I let strangers make me feel like a complete nothing as a mother. It still hurts if I think about it too much.
    Last edit by TweetiePieRN on Nov 4, '05
  8. by   nurse4theplanet
    Quote from fergus51
    Your post seemed to equate the two though. I am all for choice, but not in every instance. For example, I don't think women should CHOOSE to use drugs and drink while pregnant. Does that make me judgemental? Sure. Like all people, I make judgements about what I think it right and wrong. I personally think it's wrong to schedule an elective surgery with real medical risks to mother AND BABY who obviously isn't giving consent and because it does affect other people too. That doesn't mean I don't look after those women with the same care I do others, it just means I'm human and have opinions like everybody else. Being open minded doesn't mean you don't ever have informed opinions.
    I respect your personal oppinion on elective c/s but I don't believe that is should not be an option for the mother.

    BABY would not be able to consent to a c/s or anything else for that matter just as a ten year old would not be able to consent to having a tonsillectomy!!! So to me, I understand and acknowledge those who are concerned for the effects upon the baby, however, I do not think it is a valid argument for the mother to not have the choice of an elective c/s. She will have to make many choices for her child throughout the years regarding health and safety, so who is going to stand in her way then?

    Being open minded would be the ability to express your own opinion without attacking another for theirs, which SOME posters have done through out this debate. Just because one would not choose to have an elective c/s, does not mean it should be prohibited as a choice for another.

    I did not equate abortion with c/s. A woman is granted by law the right to choose whether or not she wants to bring her baby into the world after conception, so why on earth should the choice of method of delivery be denied to her? Does this mean I believe that abortion and c/s are along the same lines morally, spiritually, medically...absolutely not. But do I contend they each present an argument about legal rights and options? Absolutely.

    The choice to use drugs during pregnancy is illegal. That is hardly a good argument against the right to choose an elective c/s. This is about a mother's right to choose what she wants to happen to her body when she delivers her baby. If c/s had proved to be extremely harmful to babies, and only deemed appropriate for a medical emergency, then they would be banned as an elective procedure. But they are not banned. They are available to us who would like them, regardless of our reasons.

    That is the joy of living in America! Peace to you all!:kiss
  9. by   fergus51
    Quote from asoldierswife05
    I respect your personal oppinion on elective c/s but I don't believe that is should not be an option for the mother.

    BABY would not be able to consent to a c/s or anything else for that matter just as a ten year old would not be able to consent to having a tonsillectomy!!! So to me, I understand and acknowledge those who are concerned for the effects upon the baby, however, I do not think it is a valid argument for the mother to not have the choice of an elective c/s. She will have to make many choices for her child throughout the years regarding health and safety, so who is going to stand in her way then?

    Being open minded would be the ability to express your own opinion without attacking another for theirs, which SOME posters have done through out this debate. Just because one would not choose to have an elective c/s, does not mean it should be prohibited as a choice for another.

    I did not equate abortion with c/s. A woman is granted by law the right to choose whether or not she wants to bring her baby into the world after conception, so why on earth should the choice of method of delivery be denied to her? Does this mean I believe that abortion and c/s are along the same lines morally, spiritually, medically...absolutely not. But do I contend they each present an argument about legal rights and options? Absolutely.

    The choice to use drugs during pregnancy is illegal. That is hardly a good argument against the right to choose an elective c/s. This is about a mother's right to choose what she wants to happen to her body when she delivers her baby. If c/s had proved to be extremely harmful to babies, and only deemed appropriate for a medical emergency, then they would be banned as an elective procedure. But they are not banned. They are available to us who would like them, regardless of our reasons.

    That is the joy of living in America! Peace to you all!:kiss
    I would never force my decision on someone else or attack them for their beliefs, just as I would expect the same thing from them.

    Ok, take drugs out and leave only alcohol in my post.... it's legal, it isn't banned. I still think it's wrong for a pregnant woman to booze it up. I can't stop her and I recognize that, but I have an opinion. Can't help it. I don't think my opinion on this issue is any different.

    As far as tonsillectomy or other surgeries, I think you would be hard pressed to find a surgeon willing to perform unecessary surgery on a child simply because of the mother's desire for it. You can't present with a healthy 10 year old and demand the doctor remove his appendix. It just wouldn't happen. Women get to make the choice in sections without the MDs considering the baby's health as much as the woman's wants because childbirth is so medicalized in general and because they want to keep their business and avoid a lawsuit. I agree with Dayray, that's the future of OB so don't feel attacked, you're probably in the majority as far as society is concerned. Some of us L&D nurses giving some opinions on a bb based on our experiences isn't any threat to that.

    Just OT, but many many harmful OB practices are not banned. OB is one area of medicine that is the least evidence based. Just look at episiotomies or continuous EFM on low risk women. Both routinely done are harmful, but they are done all the time at some places.
  10. by   scampi710
    Quote from Altalorraine
    Not everyone thinks a vaginal birth is desireable. It's hard to believe, but some people prefer surgery, with its risks, to the earthy, funky, painful, unpredictable, vagina-stretching natural process.

    I think people should be free to choose which ever kind of birth they way (just as they are free to have their breasts enlarged, their noses fixed, their tummies tucked, and their sons circumcised), and I think they should be free to pay for it out of pocket if that's what they want.

    Altalorraine
    If it is elective it sure should be an out of pocket payment. I never thought of it that way, but I am sure their OB/GYN would state it was "necessary".
  11. by   TweetiePieRN
    Quote from fergus51
    As far as tonsillectomy or other surgeries, I think you would be hard pressed to find a surgeon willing to perform unecessary surgery on a child simply because of the mother's desire for it.
    Not exactly true....circumcision, ears being pinned back, removal of extra digits, etc.
  12. by   MichaelLooney
    I dunno...so many younger women I see these days (around my age or younger) appear to be sticks and don't seem to have enough hip room to give birth anyway. Dunno why that is, but it makes me wonder...
  13. by   TweetiePieRN
    Quote from scampi710
    If it is elective it sure should be an out of pocket payment. I never thought of it that way, but I am sure their OB/GYN would state it was "necessary".
    How about gastric bypasses, preventive mastectomy or breast reduction...those are elective. Should birth control pills not be covered, because those are elective. I don't NEED them, but I would prefer not to get pregnant right now.

    Where does one draw the line at what to cover and what not to cover?

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