When circ's go bad... - page 20

Has anyone seen a circ go really bad? I saw one today where the doc took too much foreskin off and the skin on the shaft ended up "degloving" from the fascia underneath. A urologist had to come in... Read More

  1. by   SmilingBluEyes
    Quote from L&Dsomeday
    Thanks so much for the link with the pictures. I can honestly say that I had never seen one that was uncirced. Sorry to break it to ya guys, neither one is made for looking at

    Tracy
    I was going to say that myself, but you beat me to it. I don't understand the notion that a circ somehow makes the organ "nice looking"....they are all not for public view, anyhow!
  2. by   CarVsTree
    Quote from stevielynn
    I've just seen one that bled for awhile. I don't like watching them either but I do help the doc. Plus all 3 of my boys are circ'd. And the 20 and 22 year old have told me they are glad.

    I was all for NOT doing it but Dad won out.

    Funny how the guys actually want it done.

    steph
    Well, my dh's not circ'd and he's glad. Bottom line, men LOVE their penises circ'd or not!
  3. by   Spidey's mom
    Quote from mshultz
    I have seen this argument frequently used in defense of circumcision. Although I was a small, unathletic, wimpy child, and picked upon a bit because of that, no one ever teased me about being uncircumcised. Boys simply did not discuss other boys' genitals. I do not even know what the rate of circumcision was back in school, as I was not that interested. In sixth grade, we had to urinate into a common trough. Public urination not being one of my talents, I always had trouble getting started. One of my classmates used to tease me about this, but again, no one ever commented about circumcision. When I was in the hospital in 2003, none of the EMTs, nurses, or doctors who saw me naked teased me either,:chuckle, nor did anyone mention it.

    Today, boys are much less likely to even see their classmates naked. See Dr. Dobson's article:
    http://troubledwith.custhelp.com/cgi...hp?p_faqid=930

    Wikipedia has a good article about circumcision. It has two photographs, a circumcised and an uncircumcised adult penis and scrotum, so you have been warned:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circumcision
    I did not click on the (enlarge) link, but I assume you get larger pictures, rather than causing the penises to become erect:chuckle.

    As indicated in this article, circumcision is rare outside of the U.S. Since circumcision is increasingly being considered cosmetic surgery, and therefore not covered by insurance, the rate will continue to decline. It seems that dad is not as interested in his son looking like him when dad has to pay the bill.

    Informed consent advocates have gone far beyond opposing infant circumcision. Check out the Intersex Society of North America:
    http://www.isna.org/
    They favor holding off on genital surgery on intersex infants until the infant is able to provide informed consent.
    Thanks for the info.

    I asked my sons and they say that boys DO make comments and notice, especially the "who is bigger?" . . . .one very nice and really smart oriental kid was NOT circ'd and I heard many comments . . .. they just do it behind the kid's back.

    Not a good reason to circ, in my opinion . . I was just letting folks know that some boys are happy being circ'd.

    Also, my kids (male and female) do shower after PE and sporting events. My boys always showered after their football games.

    steph
    Last edit by Spidey's mom on Nov 28, '05
  4. by   EinnOgTveir
    Quote from TweetiePieRN
    Good morning. I am not sure how they do them over there in Finland, but over here there is anesthesia for the baby. My son had a block, and he slept thru the entire procedure (my mom was in the room with him). Afterwards he never showed any signs of pain or distress. He was just as mellow as he was before the procedure. Over here people usually circumcise at birth or shortly thereafter. My son was 7 or 8 days old.


    All the reasons you mentioned are the reason. My husband is circ'ed so I probably never have to worry about ever thinking about this as a real issue for me. (If we remain married forever of course).
    As for how they do them over here, they simply dont, not on babies anyway. I have seen one circumsision on an adult who had tight foreskin and that was done under an epidural.

    Like I said before I read through all the posts on the board and found that there was quite a lot of mentioning of circs being done without any anaesthesia. That's what got me so worked up in the first place. I'm glad to hear that it's not always painful.
  5. by   Spidey's mom
    Quote from suemom2kay
    Well, my dh's not circ'd and he's glad. Bottom line, men LOVE their penises circ'd or not!
    Exactly! And they focus alot of attention there too. It defines their manhood. That is why all the jokes about size.

    steph
  6. by   hippienurse
    I was always totally against circ'ing as uncessary until I read a medical journal article (I was referred by a friend who is a doctor) about cancer of the penis. Basically 100% of men who get it are uncirc'ed. So, for this reason and this reason only will I have my boy circ'ed if I ever have one. I figure it is a bit of pain they won't conciously remember whereas most with that cancer have to have a penectomy or partial penectomy.

    *shrug* May not make sense to some, but thats my .02
  7. by   mstigerlily
    Not true that only uncircumcised males get penile cancer. Also, most of the cases of penile cancer have been attributed to HPV (just like cervical cancer which they previously tried to blame on the foreskin as well):

    "Penile cancer is one of the rarest cancers - rarer even than breast cancer in men - and figures for it are hard to come by. Circumcised men get penile cancer at about the same tiny rate as intact men. Studies that seemed to show a correlation had not been corrected for age; penile cancer is a disease of old men, and the old men with cancer in the studies had simply been born at a time when circumcision was less customary than when the younger men without cancer were born. When men of the same ages were compared, the correlation vanished."

    http://www.circumstitions.com/Cancer.html

    Male breast cancer amounted to 1,400 cases, with 260 deaths, so American men are more likely to suffer and die of breast cancer than penile cancer - yet no-one suggests neonatal amputation of a male's useless breasts to protect him against this malignancy. Also, according to statistics at the American Cancer Society, being a female with an intact labia is twice as dangerous (labia cancer) as having an intact foreskin (penile cancer). I wonder why no one removes male breast tissue and women's labia's at birth to prevent cancer later?

    Figures from the American Cancer Society.

    Quote from hippienurse
    I was always totally against circ'ing as uncessary until I read a medical journal article (I was referred by a friend who is a doctor) about cancer of the penis. Basically 100% of men who get it are uncirc'ed. So, for this reason and this reason only will I have my boy circ'ed if I ever have one. I figure it is a bit of pain they won't conciously remember whereas most with that cancer have to have a penectomy or partial penectomy.
  8. by   mstigerlily
    Quote from EinnOgTveir
    As for how they do them over here, they simply dont, not on babies anyway. I have seen one circumsision on an adult who had tight foreskin and that was done under an epidural.

    Like I said before I read through all the posts on the board and found that there was quite a lot of mentioning of circs being done without any anaesthesia. That's what got me so worked up in the first place. I'm glad to hear that it's not always painful.
    I work in postpartum and see lots of circumcisions in the nursery and MOST (not all) of them have some form of pain relief. How effective it is - that's another story.

    You are so lucky to live in a country where the idea of circumcision is unheard of and an intact penis is normal. I wish I did.
  9. by   mitchsmom
    Quote from mstigerlily
    I work in postpartum and see lots of circumcisions in the nursery and MOST (not all) of them have some form of pain relief. How effective it is - that's another story.

    You are so lucky to live in a country where the idea of circumcision is unheard of and an intact penis is normal. I wish I did.
    Only a couple of docs in my town do all the circs and they don't use pain relief (unless you consider a pacifier pain relief).
  10. by   kadokin
    Must confess, I didn't read the entire thread, but I am surprised by the mention of opting for circ's to "look like Dad" and others. I had always been told that (outside of cultural/religious religions), circumscision was more hygeinic that not. Is this a myth? BTW, once had a boyfriend who had to be circ'd as an adolescent. He remembered this as an extremely traumatic event. Seems to me, if you're going to do it, might as well do it early and get it over with.
    Another country heard from.
  11. by   ayndim
    I think for babies that being uncirced is more hygenic. I have two little boys and nothing ever got under the foreskin. They have never had a UTI. And I never retract it. They can do it when they are older and there Daddy shows them. Don't need to wash under it just yet. As for adults, how hard is it to clean one. Really!! Just pull it back, wash, rinse and push it back.

    As for it being traumatic for teenagers or adult men, imagine how it is for an infant who has no idea why surgery is being performed, especially for the little ones who get no numbing or pain killers. On a side note, why are there so many men in the U.S. who "had it done as adults" yet very few Europeans.
  12. by   Kaseyrn2b
    Quote from ayndim
    I think for babies that being uncirced is more hygenic. I have two little boys and nothing ever got under the foreskin. They have never had a UTI. And I never retract it. They can do it when they are older and there Daddy shows them. Don't need to wash under it just yet. As for adults, how hard is it to clean one. Really!! Just pull it back, wash, rinse and push it back.

    As for it being traumatic for teenagers or adult men, imagine how it is for an infant who has no idea why surgery is being performed, especially for the little ones who get no numbing or pain killers. On a side note, why are there so many men in the U.S. who "had it done as adults" yet very few Europeans.
    Hmmm very interesting thread. I guess there's no easy answer here. My ds had it done, 3yrs ago now. I was very reluctant, but in the end DH 'won' that argument. DS had anesthesia and pain relief afterwards. I can honestly say if it weren't for the fact that 90% of the boys in my area get it done, I probably would have fought DH harder. Probably sounds strange from someone who had surgery done on their son, but I do hope the occurance continues to decline. ANd , I am very happy to not have to make that decision again, as I am pg w/ a girl.
  13. by   tinyscrafts
    http://www.birthpolicy.org/ here if you scroll down there is an offer for a free DVD on the circ decision and foreskins for childbirth Educators and birth professionals to show expectant parents

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