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subective/objective data

  1. 1 I have a quick question about subjective and objective information when gathering assessment data.

    According to our book, subjective data can only be provided by the client. Objective is what you observe or measure.

    If the client is unconscious and a family member is giving history, is this considered subjective or objective?

    Thanks
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  3. Visit  laura11 profile page
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    if the family is giving history it is subjective. we were taught only things you can verify are objective and coming from the client like bp, temp,. friends , family and charts are all subjective
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    Quote from michigangirl
    if the client is unconscious and a family member is giving history, is this considered subjective or objective?
    yes. any information (data) that that is not real/actual that you or another health professional observed, by default, is considered subjective.

    if you look at a dictionary definition of "subjective" you will find this: "of, affected by, or produced by the mind or a particular state of mind; of subject, or person thinking, rather than the attributes of the object through of. . .determined by and emphasizing the ideas, thoughts, feeling, etc. of the artist, writer, or speaker. . . in medicine, designating or of a symptom or condition perceptible only to the patient" (page 1452, webster's new world dictionary of the american language, college edition, 1966).

    compare that to the definition of "objective": "of or having to do with a known or perceived object as distinguished from something existing only in the mind of the subject, or person thinking. . .real. . .actual. . .determined by and emphasizing the features and characteristics of the object, or thing dealt with, rather than the thoughts, feelings, etc of the artist, writer, or speaker. . .in medicine, designating or of a symptom or condition perceptible to others besides the patient" (page 1012, webster's new world dictionary of the american language, college edition, 1966).
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    Thank you, both.

    That's what I thought as well.

    My book (page 284, Fundamentals of Nursing, Potter & Perry, 2005) states "Subjective data are client's perceptions about their health problems. Only clients can provide this kind of information."

    I thought it was rather confusing the way they explain it. Thanks for the verification.
  6. Visit  Daytonite profile page
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    Well, if you were specifically asked that on a test, you might legitimately answer that only clients can provide subjective information and defend your answer by showing the instructor this passage in your textbook. However, in the real world we get our data where we can find it. Often we get information from family members, particularly where the patient is confused or comatose. Keep in mind, however, that the farther removed from the patient that the subjective data source is, the more you need to question its validity. Objective facts occupy the top tier.
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  7. Visit  beth66335 profile page
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    In our class we are taught that subjective is what the client tells you verbal or non-verbal. Objective is what other people tell you. If the patient is unconscious there is no subjective data, unless you get non-verbal cues ( ie. grimacing from pain). You can also take anything in quotes from the chart;stated, "blah blah blah ". If you answer subjective to anything but data from the patient you will get it wrong. Only the " subject" can give subjective data.
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    Quote from laura11
    if the family is giving history it is subjective. we were taught only things you can verify are objective and coming from the client like bp, temp,. friends , family and charts are all subjective

    Even though they "come from the client," bp and temp are objective. You are obtaining them. You can measure and verify them.
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    Quote from beth66335
    In our class we are taught that subjective is what the client tells you verbal or non-verbal. Objective is what other people tell you. If the patient is unconscious there is no subjective data, unless you get non-verbal cues ( ie. grimacing from pain). You can also take anything in quotes from the chart;stated, "blah blah blah ". If you answer subjective to anything but data from the patient you will get it wrong. Only the " subject" can give subjective data.
    If the patient is not conscious, and a family reports history, is there another category for that? I know it isn't objective data, but if it isn't subjective either, what is it? Since the patient can't talk for himself, what family members say may be extremely important, obviously!

    (luckily this wasn't on our test today, but I think I will ask my professor her opinion tomorrow)
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    Quote from Michigangirl
    If the patient is not conscious, and a family reports history, is there another category for that? I know it isn't objective data, but if it isn't subjective either, what is it? Since the patient can't talk for himself, what family members say may be extremely important, obviously!

    (luckily this wasn't on our test today, but I think I will ask my professor her opinion tomorrow)
    If the patients family tells you things about the patient it is still objective. There is no subjective data if it doesn't come from the patient them self. I think it is okay to say you have no subjective data.
    Subjective data: Information gathered from patient statements; the patients feelings and perceptions. Not verifiable by another except by inference.
    Objective data: Information that can be observed by others; free of feelings, perceptions, prejudices.
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  11. Visit  aiyah_d profile page
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    easy way to remember:

    subjective: comes from patient or family

    objective:anything you can measure

    pain is subjective because we cant measure it
    a fever is objective because we can measure it by thermometer
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    Subjective: "I need to pee!"

    Objective: Patient voided 1000 cc this shift after 0800 Lasix 120 mg po.
  13. Visit  beth66335 profile page
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    Quote from aiyah_d
    easy way to remember:

    subjective: comes from patient or family

    objective:anything you can measure

    pain is subjective because we cant measure it
    a fever is objective because we can measure it by thermometer
    Not family, only the patient.
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    [FONT=Fixedsys]hi are there any subjective cues for:
    [FONT=Fixedsys]* acromegaly
    [FONT=Fixedsys]* gigantism
    [FONT=Fixedsys]* cushing's disease
    [FONT=Fixedsys]* addison's disease
    [FONT=Fixedsys]* diabetes mellitus

    [FONT=Fixedsys]it's really hard to formulate subjective cues if you haven't seen a real patient...

    [FONT=Fixedsys]i hope you can help me... thank you


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