Rules could prompt colleges to pull online programs from some states

  1. 1 Higher-education officials say their institutions don't have budgets for expensive adjustments to ED's 'state authorization' rule

    Online college students in Massachusetts, Arkansas, and Minnesota soon could have more limited school options as colleges and universities plan to withdraw their online programs from those states in response to a much-debated set of regulations. Colleges with large online course selections that draw students from every state have railed against the U.S. Education Department's "state authorization" rules, which require schools to gain approval from every state in which they have even one online student.

    And even after a federal judge voided part of the state authorization rule in July, online education experts say ED probably will reintroduce the regulations in 2012. College officials have made it clear that they won't serve students in states with the most onerous requirements to abide by...

    http://www.eschoolnews.com/2011/11/2...m-some-states/
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    Yet another case of unintended and unwelcome consequences resulting from onerous governmental regulations.
  5. Visit  Pixie.RN profile page
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    Good grief. This sort of defeats the whole purpose of distance learning and globalization of education ... how disappointing.
  6. Visit  Conqueror+ profile page
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    They want to put you on a 2 year waiting list and insure that you have no option but to wait...and overpay.
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  7. Visit  SweettartRN profile page
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    Start writing your Congressmen and women today and protest. This is absolutely heinous and ridiculous!!

    Just another reason for a nationwide nursing license!
  8. Visit  NurseCubanitaRN2b profile page
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    This is just a ploy to force students to apply in state. This is slowly becoming a dictatorship for higher education.
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  9. Visit  elkpark profile page
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    I don't see this as "onerous," "heinous," or unreasonable at all. Each state has the right and obligation to regulate and oversee educational programs within its own borders, so I don't think it's such a big stretch to require that schools in other places get approval from the state to, essentially, offer an educational program within the state, even if "within the state" means on someone's computer. Every other school that's offering educational programs within the state has to do it, why shouldn't an on-line program that is providing educations to citizens of the state have to, also? Educational standards set by individual states are, essentially, consumer protection rules, and some states are more vigorous about protecting their citizens' interests than others -- which, under our current system of government, they have a right to do.

    I wonder how many of the people who think that this particular situation is so awful are usually strong "states' rights" advocates??
    Last edit by elkpark on Dec 5, '11
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  10. Visit  Conqueror+ profile page
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    Because its isn't being done to protect anyone but the state's wallet. There is no concern for citizens behind these measures, just a desire to keep money from leaving the state and to keep students "in their place" .
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    Quote from Conqueror+
    Because its isn't being done to protect anyone but the state's wallet. There is no concern for citizens behind these measures, just a desire to keep money from leaving the state and to keep students "in their place" .
    Where is the evidence of this? The rules are being promulgated by the Federal Department of Education, not any individual state. If money is an issue, it seems to me that it's the online schools worrying about their wallets -- not wanting to spend the money to meet the same qualifications and standards that B&M schools do in order to operate in states with higher standards than the online schools meet now.
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    Quote from SweettartRN
    Start writing your Congressmen and women today and protest. This is absolutely heinous and ridiculous!!

    Just another reason for a nationwide nursing license!
    National nursing license will not occur due to licensure being a STATE not federal legislative function.

    Agree to writing congress persons.
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    Okay, post deleted after re-reading content.
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    Quote from elkpark
    Where is the evidence of this? The rules are being promulgated by the Federal Department of Education, not any individual state. If money is an issue, it seems to me that it's the online schools worrying about their wallets -- not wanting to spend the money to meet the same qualifications and standards that B&M schools do in order to operate in states with higher standards than the online schools meet now.
    if the schools were not accredited then that would be a different story. For example the state of CA has no right to dictate how a school in Arkansas should model their nursing program. The state of CA only has the right to approve schools that operate in CA. If CA were to regulate schools in other states then they should be allowed to regulate schools outside the country. Which in both cases is rediculous
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    Quote from NurseCubanitaRN2b
    if the schools were not accredited then that would be a different story. For example the state of CA has no right to dictate how a school in Arkansas should model their nursing program. The state of CA only has the right to approve schools that operate in CA. If CA were to regulate schools in other states then they should be allowed to regulate schools outside the country. Which in both cases is rediculous
    In the case of nursing, the situation is already clear and has been for a long time -- of course CA can't tell a school in AR how it should operate; but CA (or any other state) clearly does have the right to decide whether or not it considers the school to be meeting the standards set for schools within CA sufficiently for graduates of that school to be eligible for licensure in CA.

    In the larger, general, sense, of course CA has no right to dictate how a school in another state should operate -- but we're talking about schools that are, in effect, operating within the state of (to use your example) CA, by coming into the state electronically and providing education services to residents of the state within the state.

    Take the issue of sales tax for online purchases, which has been controversial for quite some time. States take the position that a resident of the state who buys something online from a business operating in another state is making the purchase in the purchaser's state, the same as if s/he buys something at the local mall, and should pay (home) state sales tax on that purchase. Or insurance -- insurance companies located in a particular state sell health, homeowner's, automobile insurance policies to people in states all over the US, but the policies offered by any of these companies in a particular state have to meet whatever specific minimum requirements and standards have been established by that state's legislature and insurance commissioner (or whatever the regulatory structure is in a particular state) -- because, even though the insurance company is located in one particular state, the business it conducts within other states is regulated by the other states.

    This is basically the same idea -- regardless of where the "school" is actually located, the education provided is taking place within the student's state and the argument, therefore, is that the state has the right to require that the established state school standards be met. Obviously I'm an outlier on this issue on this forum, but it makes sense to me.
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