Need Excelsior Clarification - page 6

I am trying to sort out the info for Excelsior & need a little help. Can I get study material from eBay, yahoo, etc & contact Pearson to schedule test dates prior to enrolling. Basically I am... Read More

  1. by   emijen2girls
    Wow! This is wonderful. I a so glad I found this site. I have been an LPN for 12 years and have no pre-req at all so I need to start from the basics which have always intimidated me....has anyone take A&P with them? I a planning to take all the english, psych, art etc online with the local comunity college but I do not want to go onsite for A&P and do lab (time is money right?) I have always been very intimidated to study on my own and I think this is one of the reasons it has taken e so long. I do not care if I take 2-4 years to complete as I have kids that need e but I just do not want to fail and lose all the $$$$$.
  2. by   Diahni
    [quote=SkyHigh;2459909]I would really like to thank you everybody for the information you are sharing here..it is really great to share our experiences..
    I am a foreign physician and I want to apply to exelsior uni in the next few coming days for ADN to be an RN..
    -I dont know which should I apply for AAS VS AS? which one is more suitable for me?I dont know what is the difference!:spin:

    SkyHigh:
    Yes, allnurses.com is a wonderful resource - there are 200,000 or so members, so when you have a question, no matter the type of question, quite a few people will probably respond. About AAS - AS, or any other degree - the important thing is that whatever program you take, it will allow you to take the NCLEX, (either RN or LPN.) Next next step up from these, which are both associates degrees would be the BSN in nursing. If you are already a physician, I would think any degree that allows you to take the NCLEX would work for you. I am sure your previous training would put you in a good position for a variety of jobs.
    The good thing about the Excelsior program is you can study on your own. The program is basically studying, and then taking (I think) six exams. Then there is the CPNE, which is a weekend-long clinical test that tests your skills. The entire program will cost about 5,000. dollars, but you pay as you go for the different exams. Regular nursing school takes a lot of time, and even a state community program will cost you at least that. As for the "prerequisites" such as anatomy and microbiology, you can probably "challenge" these courses by taking a exam. As someone else noted, Excelsior can help you will sorting out all of this, including the differences between different associates degrees. Remember that there are many routes to taking the NCLEX, all leading to being licensed as a nurse. As for all the text books you require, don't just go out and buy all of them, as they are very expensive. I got the Psych nursing book used online for about 15 dollars. As well, you can borrow many of them from a library. I don't know how much you know about public libraries but many of them are on a "network," which means you can search for and borrow a book from any library in the network via an online web site. For instance, I live in a small town in Massachusetts, but I can search a system called "CWMARS," find a book from many different libraries in the system, and by ordering it online, it will be delivered to my own library to pick up. This is an amazing service, so check your area to see if a library near where you live can help you with this.
    Best of luck!
    Diahni
    P.S. I learned about Excelsior at allnurses.com, and I'm glad I did!
  3. by   SkyHigh
    thanks alot EricEnfermero
    I foundout that in the application I have to choose either AAS or AS!do I have to choose one and they will switch it to the better option later anyway?


    I have sent my questions in an email to EC twice and got no reply!!..
  4. by   fuerza757
    2 Questions:

    1. Regarding transfer credits; do you have to pay for each credit that they accept ? or evaluate? It states under "Portfolio-Based assessment that is 290 per credit for the assessment then 90 per credit awarded?
    am I reading this right ?

    2. Need opinion whether to finish general course with ec or at a local community college ? What do think ? what worked for you?
  5. by   Pixie.RN
    I just did the regular college transcript evaluation for the ADN, and the only cost was the application fee. I'm not familiar with the portfolio-based evaluation, so I assume that might be different/more expensive.
  6. by   Diahni
    Quote from SkyHigh
    thanks alot EricEnfermero
    I foundout that in the application I have to choose either AAS or AS!do I have to choose one and they will switch it to the better option later anyway?


    I have sent my questions in an email to EC twice and got no reply!!..
    SkyHigh:
    Excelsior will respond, it just can take them two or three days. I think they have a toll free number you can try, but it's usually a long wait on the phone.
    Without looking at the courses required for an AAS or an AS, you should compare the courses required with the type of courses you have already taken. I think the whole idea is to apply for the Associate's degree that most closely matches what you have already taken in courses. Excelsior doesn't charge you for credits you already have. In my case, I had all the prerequisites and three semesters of an ADN behind me. The one annoying aspect of the way their credit system works is you MUST take their sequence of the nursing courses, no matter what kind of nursing training you came in with. You take six or seven courses (I forget which, I'm just on NUR1 right now,) and then you take the clinical test, the CPNE.) The only exception to this is if you have an LPN, you can skip NUR2, but that's it. I stand corrected if I'm wrong. I hope I'm being clear about this, and hope I'm right about it, but I think the only courses you transfer in to the program are the electives, such as Anatomy, etc. In my situation, I was three quarters done with my ADN, but I weighed the differences in one more semester of the regular ADN program I was in versus Excelsior. In my last semester, I would have to take at least four exams, and spend a semester doing clinicals. Plus, there is always a lot of extra projects in any program, and those are very time-consuming. As well, there is a mountain of paperwork involved with every single clinical day. All told, I figured Excelsior would work better for me. The paperwork I had to do to in the ADN program was ridiculous - for every patient, we had to write out volumes of information about each client's meds, whether we knew them cold or not. I would spend hours re-writing this stuff every week. The 12 page "data collection guide" I found to be a useless time waster, and I would spend an entire day doing it. If this paperwork wasn't done, we couldn't go to the next clinical. I wanted to "cut and paste" the meds into my paperwork but noooo, we had to write it over. This might help some people, but I found it an exercise in futility, never mind stealing what little time I had outside of classes and clinicals. In any case, hang in there with getting yourself set up with Excelsior. Establishing any academic program is a lot of hassle and confusion. Once you're in the groove with studying, and taking the exams, it'll get much easier. If you are already a physician, I suppose much of the material will be easy for you, with the exception of learning the nurse lingo, i.e. "ambulate" instead of "walk" a patient. Then there's the strange way the multiple-choice questions are worded, no matter what program you're in. I think this applies to all higher level academic testing. It's a skill in itself to not get tangled up trying to figure out what the question is asking. Hope I'll shed at least a little light here. You can do it! Just make sure Excelsior is being clear with you. Once I got a counselor on the phone, they always seemed knowlegable.
    Diahni
  7. by   SkyHigh
    Thanks alot Diahni for this information,
    I applied online today,I will be sending my transcripts to ECE soon so that they can evaluate my credentials and send it to Excelsior..
    dont you think if I take Tofel exam is important for me,so that Excelsior wont require me to take the English and Humanities exam which costs 800$?
    I would also like to buy the books needed..I heard about a book called fundamanetals of nursing by Kozier that is very useful...is it the best in your opinion?
    my target is to be an RN since I am in need of money so I need to do it with the least cost and as soon as possible...I have to...
    I am glad I am here taking your advice everybody
  8. by   Diahni
    Quote from SkyHigh
    Thanks alot Diahni for this information,
    I applied online today,I will be sending my transcripts to ECE soon so that they can evaluate my credentials and send it to Excelsior..
    dont you think if I take Tofel exam is important for me,so that Excelsior wont require me to take the English and Humanities exam which costs 800$?
    I would also like to buy the books needed..I heard about a book called fundamanetals of nursing by Kozier that is very useful...is it the best in your opinion?
    my target is to be an RN since I am in need of money so I need to do it with the least cost and as soon as possible...I have to...
    I am glad I am here taking your advice everybody
    Skyhigh:
    Not too much time right now - I can write later, but a couple of things briefly- I'm not aware that you can exchange the Tofel for the Excelsior exams in English, etc. - I'd say take which route costs less. Does Excelsior give you a choice? In general, make sure you do things "their way" - for instance, they are insisting I do a basic computer literacy course, although I have been working with computers since the late 80s. So I have to take the exam because they said I have to.
    About books and studying - if you get books, by all means get the ones on the Excelsior list. There's another route - a former Excelsior student has some very thorough, typewritten notes that she sells for very little money on Ebay. I'll give you the info later. The outlines you get from Excelsior aren't detailed enough. Well, I have to go but there are all sorts of things important to know, such as you can practice taking the exams online, which I will do when I'm ready. The online Excelsior exams should give a very good idea of what's on the exams you need to take. I keep reminding myself that, in the long run, the online program works the best for me.
    Diahni
  9. by   NMB107
    Hi can anyone give me info or advice about pursuing excelsior. I have completed 3 semesters of nursing school the traditional way successfully and just finished my senior semester not successfully and I'm just extremely disappointed/heartbroken and at this point to afraid to go back next semester. I heard about excelsior and I'm kind of confused by all the info I've been reading. Can anyone break it down to me apporximately how long would it take to complete each exam if you've have already gone so far in school and have completed 100% of clinicals. Thanks in advance
  10. by   Pixie.RN
    You'd need to discuss it with Excelsior with regards to what they'll accept/transfer, but usually by virtue of finishing more than 50% of an RN program with clinicals, you should at least be accepted into the program. How many exams you'll have to take depends on which credits they'll accept -- I'm not sure if I've ever heard of them transferring nursing credits, only pre-reqs and other classes. Then again, I'm in the program as a paramedic, so it's not something that would have applied to me. I'd call EC admissions directly and go from there -- you can find contact information on the website at http://www.excelsior.edu. Sorry your nursing school didn't work out for you!
  11. by   NMB107
    Thanks so much Luna I'm gonna give them a call. I'm still trying to decide if I wanna return to school or do the online classes/exams. I've just lost my confidence totally and am to afraid to face it again. But thanks so much for the information. Take care
  12. by   JSEMTP
    Hey I just finished a semester at the local CC and found that I am not eligible to apply to their ADN program due to my GPA from not dropping a few classes when I was younger. Anyway, I now have Human Growth, American Govt., Int. Algebra, and Eng Comp I out of the way. I am seriously looking into the Excelsior deal, but don't know how to find out what classes I can CLEP and DANTES if any. Can someone tell me a little more about how to test out rather than pay for the courses through Excelsior.
  13. by   Diahni
    Quote from JSEMTP
    Hey I just finished a semester at the local CC and found that I am not eligible to apply to their ADN program due to my GPA from not dropping a few classes when I was younger. Anyway, I now have Human Growth, American Govt., Int. Algebra, and Eng Comp I out of the way. I am seriously looking into the Excelsior deal, but don't know how to find out what classes I can CLEP and DANTES if any. Can someone tell me a little more about how to test out rather than pay for the courses through Excelsior.
    The fly in the ointment is you have to go in to Excelsior with a certain amount of clinical experience. Check out their website. I think they require two semesters of clinical for a nursing student, but there are also other situations, such as EMTs applying. Best thing for you to do is talk to an Excelsior admissions counselor. I don't know what kind of experiences Excelsior will accept - a counselor can tell you - sometimes it takes a wait on the phone to get them. If you've already been an LPN, that would work. Would be nice is Excelsior could provide clinical experiences, but they don't.
    Diahni

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