Excelsior Pass Rate? - page 8

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  1. by   Spazzy Nurse
    Quote from deej
    Not to mention there were a few businesses who ran "Become an RN!" ads that were basically combining substandard EMT instruction (to satisfy EC's admissions requirement) with tutoring for the nursing concepts exams.
    Can you explain that one further DJ? I don't understand this.
    Thanks---
  2. by   Spazzy Nurse
    Originally Posted by chris_at_lucas
    If you can pass the EC exams, and if you can pass the CPNE, and you can pass the NCLEX, you have proved yourself beyond what is expected of the students of any other school, anywhere.

    Quote from lizz
    Uh ... not necessarily.
    Lizz, you really can't say that. You have never taken one of the EC exams, and you have never gone through even the mere anticipation of the CPNE, much less the actual CPNE weekend. Throughout this program we learn more than we ever imagined we would, and somehow our brains magically morph from an LPN brain to an RN brain. Our way of thinking changes completely and we look at things differently than we did before. It was pretty amazing when I realized that it had happened.

    Please quit knocking EC. You have no clue whatsoever.
  3. by   deej
    Quote from Spazzy Nurse
    Can you explain that one further DJ? I don't understand this.
    Thanks---
    http://web.archive.org/web/200212071...ing.com/RN.htm


    Prerequisites to this program include being or becoming an eligible health care worker: LVN (licensed vocational nurse), Medical Assistants (certified with the American Association of Medical Assistants), EMT (emergency medical technician), psychiatric technician, paramedic, RT (respiratory therapist), PT (physical therapist), accredited surgical technician, RN or doctor from another country, or chiropractor. WestMed helps you satisfy this prerequisite by providing EMT training. If you are currently an RT, PT, LVN, EMT, accredited surgical technician, paramedic, or nurse or doctor from another country and can provide proof, you do not need to become an EMT.
    DJ
  4. by   Sheri257
    Quote from Spazzy Nurse
    Please quit knocking EC. You have no clue whatsoever.
    This is why I cited the board document and posted it so you could read it yourself. If you believe the board has no clue, ok. But they're saying the CPNE doesn't test for everything that RN's are supposed to know, under California law. Maybe it's different in other states but, apparently, not here.

    This isn't a personal opinion. It's all there in the document.

    Last edit by Sheri257 on Jun 23, '04
  5. by   chris_at_lucas_RN
    lizz wrote: Uh ... not necessarily. Perhaps it would be useful to see what the board had to say about that.
    Who are you??? You never say what your background is, you never answer direct questions, but you ping everybody else's experience with your opinion. BTW, I have served on many boards, and recorded the minutes of meetings of even more, and I can tell you from experience, the Board's accuracy is limited by the abilities (and personal agendas) of its members. So much for your "what the Board has to say."

    the CPNE doesn't test for everything that RN's are supposed to know, under California law.
    The NCLEX doesn't test every applicant for everything RN's are supposed to know either. Is California planning on getting rid of the NCLEX too?

    I stand by my statement that EC grads prove themselves competent beyond what students of other schools do. NO other school has a do-or-die clinical final exam.

    lizz, people are trying to be courteous to you, and we usually ignore your less-than-gracious posts, but you never seem to quite "get" that. It seems you have to be right about everything, to have the last word. If a post successfully contradicts you, you just ignore that.

    I never see you post on clinical threads. I have seen a couple of posts from you about classmates, but it's been a while. I'll ask you again--who and what are you? Are you or have you ever been a nurse? A nursing student? What career are you changing to? From what?

    Anybody with a computer and an IP connection can google and post something they found--what's your background lizz, please "bore [us] with [your] resume."

    I think you just like to see yourself post, frankly. And you do seem most pleased with yourself when you can run down Excelsior College, especially if you can annoy other posters. Putting smilies on everything doesn't make your post a constructive one. Whatever your issue with our school is, it would be nice if you took care of it somewhere other than under the noses and in the faces of current students, prospective hopefuls and Excelsior College grads.

    If there is actually a nursing shortage, it would seem that Excelsior College has the right idea for how to get nurses educated, tested and out there, making use of current technology, and people's experience, knowledge and innate intelligence. They can put out nurses in very large numbers. What's your school doing, about 50 or 100 students? We have 17,000 currently enrolled. Even if only 50% ever finish, that's 8,500 new nurses. Think that might help the nursing shortage, lizz????

    And as for constantly trotting out how it is done in California, frankly, I've been there, my family lives there, I see the news about California, and that huge expensive bureaucracy, and all of that is one small but very good reason why I don't live there.
  6. by   chris_at_lucas_RN
    Originally Posted by deej Not to mention there were a few businesses who ran "Become an RN!" ads that were basically combining substandard EMT instruction (to satisfy EC's admissions requirement) with tutoring for the nursing concepts exams.
    I've gotten some interesting correspondence in this regard too.... "Call me now, before it's too late for you to become an RN!" The ones I got were all from Distance Learning Systems.

    Another doozie is Academy of Nursing (aka Excel Advantage). They actually have employees who are Excelsior students who take the exams and report back about items, etc. They have no nurses on staff. It is run by two guys--one is an IT guy and the other one has a degree in business. Amazing, isn't it, what people will do for a buck? Even more so, what people will give money for???

    Caveat emptor. Let the buyer (that's us) beware.

    As far as getting into Excelsior College being easy with iffy credentials, as was suggested in the quoted post, that was not my experience. My background is pretty solid, I have an advanced degree, am Phi Beta Kappa, and I more than met their entry requirements. They were exceptionally particular about having formal transcripts (like, sealed and straight from the schools) AND copies of the course descriptions of every class I had taken in nursing school.

    I don't think they are easy or hard to get into. I think you meet their entrance rquirements or you don't. I think they post their requirements and they expect them to be met or you can just keep on going. It's been working for 20+ years. They have a pretty good reputation. Note the NLNAC accreditation. Their MSN program was accredited the same year they started it. Not many schools can say that.
  7. by   Sheri257
    You guys make these statements about tuition and how EC meets the same requirements of other schools. Instead of expressing an opinion, I actually post documents to back up what I'm saying. When that doesn't jive with your agenda, you want to attack me personally.

    I cannot get into my background experience on this because I am restricted by settlement agreements in this matter, i.e. litigation. That's all I can say about it and, that's the reason I prefer to refer to the public record.

    Last edit by Sheri257 on Jun 23, '04
  8. by   opalmRN
    Quote from chris_at_lucas
    Who are you??? You never say what your background is, you never answer direct questions, but you ping everybody else's experience with your opinion. BTW, I have served on many boards, and recorded the minutes of meetings of even more, and I can tell you from experience, the Board's accuracy is limited by the abilities (and personal agendas) of its members. So much for your "what the Board has to say."


    The NCLEX doesn't test every applicant for everything RN's are supposed to know either. Is California planning on getting rid of the NCLEX too?

    I stand by my statement that EC grads prove themselves competent beyond what students of other schools do. NO other school has a do-or-die clinical final exam.

    lizz, people are trying to be courteous to you, and we usually ignore your less-than-gracious posts, but you never seem to quite "get" that. It seems you have to be right about everything, to have the last word. If a post successfully contradicts you, you just ignore that.

    I never see you post on clinical threads. I have seen a couple of posts from you about classmates, but it's been a while. I'll ask you again--who and what are you? Are you or have you ever been a nurse? A nursing student? What career are you changing to? From what?

    Anybody with a computer and an IP connection can google and post something they found--what's your background lizz, please "bore [us] with [your] resume."

    I think you just like to see yourself post, frankly. And you do seem most pleased with yourself when you can run down Excelsior College, especially if you can annoy other posters. Putting smilies on everything doesn't make your post a constructive one. Whatever your issue with our school is, it would be nice if you took care of it somewhere other than under the noses and in the faces of current students, prospective hopefuls and Excelsior College grads.

    If there is actually a nursing shortage, it would seem that Excelsior College has the right idea for how to get nurses educated, tested and out there, making use of current technology, and people's experience, knowledge and innate intelligence. They can put out nurses in very large numbers. What's your school doing, about 50 or 100 students? We have 17,000 currently enrolled. Even if only 50% ever finish, that's 8,500 new nurses. Think that might help the nursing shortage, lizz????

    And as for constantly trotting out how it is done in California, frankly, I've been there, my family lives there, I see the news about California, and that huge expensive bureaucracy, and all of that is one small but very good reason why I don't live there.

    WELL STATED!

    Too many "experts" wailing their yaps but have no first hand knowledge of subject.

    Thanks to you Chris,lgflamini, & Spazzy, whoHAVE attended EC and KNOW first hand what you are talking about. It is from you that I and many other EC students learn. Keep up the good work and thanks for sharing all your EXPERIENCES with the rest of us who are smart enough to know when to shut up and listen!!!
    Last edit by opalmRN on Jun 23, '04
  9. by   chris_at_lucas_RN
    I cannot get into my background experience on this because I am restricted by settlement agreements in this matter, i.e. litigation.
    This is baloney. You cannot anonymously give your background of experience and education because of litagation and a closed agreement???? Let me assure you, I am not as stupid as I apparently look. Nobody wants names of companies, dates and names of supervisors....

    I don't believe you have a nursing background. Although you appear to be very bright, I wonder about your education--you seem to think that simply ignoring questions or statements you don't feel like addressing is part of debating an issue. (It isn't.)

    And as for not posting your personal opinion, you do that all the time, and you have said so.

    Actually, as a person, I support you in whatever it is you legitimately want or need to do. I support your right to express your opinion responsibly. But you skirt direct questions, either by completely ignoring them or by putting some silliness up like (essentially) "they won't let me say."

    Until you are as upfront with us as we are with each other and you, I really don't put much stock in much that you have to say. Sorry, lizz.... gotta ignore you for a while. I'm approaching my hooey limit..... Anytime you want to be straight and upfront, I'm glad to take you off my ignore list. I'm sure you can figure out some way to let me know. Until then, sayonara, babeee!

    Here's one for the road:
  10. by   kimlpn
    Lizz,

    Perhaps paralegal or law is on that resume Just joking! You are absolutely correct with the EMT type qualifications...2-3 months training does not prepare one well enough in my opinion, but those with clinical nursing backgrounds are good canidates for this type of program. Now may I ask for every traditional school nurse that turns out harming a patient are you going to condem that school too??? Guess there wouldn't be many schools in operation if they closed for every poor judgement one of their grads made. As I said before there are good and bad in all schools!!! I think you need to chill out--you have beaten this horse dead at every chance you get--channel some of this energy into a more positive avenue. I have not been on this board in awhile, but every time I check back it's the same thing with you. We get it that you don't like Excelsior.

    I woke up today and thought how glad I am Chris is almost done with the program!!!! Good luck and positive vibes to you in Racine!!!! I think instead of battling over schools we should all benefit more from each other!!! This is a very tiny issue when we think of all the chaos that is happening in this world daily--let's wrap up the beaten horse and channel positive energy to world peace.

    Kim
    Last edit by kimlpn on Jun 23, '04
  11. by   Sheri257
    Whatever ... maybe I don't have a clue about certain things. I'm willing to admit that. But, perhaps, you guys don't either. Feel free to have the last word. I'm out.

    Last edit by Sheri257 on Jun 23, '04
  12. by   opalmRN
    Quote from lizz
    Whatever ... maybe I don't have a clue about certain things. I'm willing to admit that. But perhaps you guys don't either. Feel free to have the last word. I'm out.

    I for one am glad although I have seen this pattern before so I won't be surprised when the little "sqauk and run" bug rears it's ugly little head again!
  13. by   SickleMoon
    Chris,

    Somewhere along the line I missed that you were going to Racine. It's been more than a few years since I did some of my clinical stuff in that neck of the woods, but the Regents College folks there were SUPER! Not a bad egg amongst 'em--very demanding and exacting but also very personable and caring. Hope the same ones are still there for you! Good luck and have fun!

    Dakota

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