Excelsior Pass Rate?

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Does anyone know Excelsior's passing rate? Just curious. tia

Kelly

Originally Posted by deej Not to mention there were a few businesses who ran "Become an RN!" ads that were basically combining substandard EMT instruction (to satisfy EC's admissions requirement) with tutoring for the nursing concepts exams.

I've gotten some interesting correspondence in this regard too.... "Call me now, before it's too late for you to become an RN!" The ones I got were all from Distance Learning Systems.

Another doozie is Academy of Nursing (aka Excel Advantage). They actually have employees who are Excelsior students who take the exams and report back about items, etc. They have no nurses on staff. It is run by two guys--one is an IT guy and the other one has a degree in business. Amazing, isn't it, what people will do for a buck? Even more so, what people will give money for???

Caveat emptor. Let the buyer (that's us) beware.

As far as getting into Excelsior College being easy with iffy credentials, as was suggested in the quoted post, that was not my experience. My background is pretty solid, I have an advanced degree, am Phi Beta Kappa, and I more than met their entry requirements. They were exceptionally particular about having formal transcripts (like, sealed and straight from the schools) AND copies of the course descriptions of every class I had taken in nursing school.

I don't think they are easy or hard to get into. I think you meet their entrance rquirements or you don't. I think they post their requirements and they expect them to be met or you can just keep on going. It's been working for 20+ years. They have a pretty good reputation. Note the NLNAC accreditation. Their MSN program was accredited the same year they started it. Not many schools can say that.

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You guys make these statements about tuition and how EC meets the same requirements of other schools. Instead of expressing an opinion, I actually post documents to back up what I'm saying. When that doesn't jive with your agenda, you want to attack me personally.

I cannot get into my background experience on this because I am restricted by settlement agreements in this matter, i.e. litigation. That's all I can say about it and, that's the reason I prefer to refer to the public record.

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Who are you??? You never say what your background is, you never answer direct questions, but you ping everybody else's experience with your opinion. BTW, I have served on many boards, and recorded the minutes of meetings of even more, and I can tell you from experience, the Board's accuracy is limited by the abilities (and personal agendas) of its members. So much for your "what the Board has to say."

The NCLEX doesn't test every applicant for everything RN's are supposed to know either. Is California planning on getting rid of the NCLEX too?

I stand by my statement that EC grads prove themselves competent beyond what students of other schools do. NO other school has a do-or-die clinical final exam.

lizz, people are trying to be courteous to you, and we usually ignore your less-than-gracious posts, but you never seem to quite "get" that. It seems you have to be right about everything, to have the last word. If a post successfully contradicts you, you just ignore that.

I never see you post on clinical threads. I have seen a couple of posts from you about classmates, but it's been a while. I'll ask you again--who and what are you? Are you or have you ever been a nurse? A nursing student? What career are you changing to? From what?

Anybody with a computer and an IP connection can google and post something they found--what's your background lizz, please "bore [us] with [your] resume."

I think you just like to see yourself post, frankly. And you do seem most pleased with yourself when you can run down Excelsior College, especially if you can annoy other posters. Putting smilies on everything doesn't make your post a constructive one. Whatever your issue with our school is, it would be nice if you took care of it somewhere other than under the noses and in the faces of current students, prospective hopefuls and Excelsior College grads.

If there is actually a nursing shortage, it would seem that Excelsior College has the right idea for how to get nurses educated, tested and out there, making use of current technology, and people's experience, knowledge and innate intelligence. They can put out nurses in very large numbers. What's your school doing, about 50 or 100 students? We have 17,000 currently enrolled. Even if only 50% ever finish, that's 8,500 new nurses. Think that might help the nursing shortage, lizz????

And as for constantly trotting out how it is done in California, frankly, I've been there, my family lives there, I see the news about California, and that huge expensive bureaucracy, and all of that is one small but very good reason why I don't live there.

WELL STATED!

Too many "experts" wailing their yaps but have no first hand knowledge of subject.

Thanks to you Chris,lgflamini, & Spazzy, whoHAVE attended EC and KNOW first hand what you are talking about. It is from you that I and many other EC students learn. Keep up the good work and thanks for sharing all your EXPERIENCES with the rest of us who are smart enough to know when to shut up and listen!!! :)

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I cannot get into my background experience on this because I am restricted by settlement agreements in this matter, i.e. litigation.

This is baloney. You cannot anonymously give your background of experience and education because of litagation and a closed agreement???? Let me assure you, I am not as stupid as I apparently look. Nobody wants names of companies, dates and names of supervisors....

I don't believe you have a nursing background. Although you appear to be very bright, I wonder about your education--you seem to think that simply ignoring questions or statements you don't feel like addressing is part of debating an issue. (It isn't.)

And as for not posting your personal opinion, you do that all the time, and you have said so.

Actually, as a person, I support you in whatever it is you legitimately want or need to do. I support your right to express your opinion responsibly. But you skirt direct questions, either by completely ignoring them or by putting some silliness up like (essentially) "they won't let me say."

Until you are as upfront with us as we are with each other and you, I really don't put much stock in much that you have to say. Sorry, lizz.... gotta ignore you for a while. I'm approaching my hooey limit..... Anytime you want to be straight and upfront, I'm glad to take you off my ignore list. I'm sure you can figure out some way to let me know. Until then, sayonara, babeee!

Here's one for the road: :coollook:

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Lizz,

Perhaps paralegal or law is on that resume:) Just joking! You are absolutely correct with the EMT type qualifications...2-3 months training does not prepare one well enough in my opinion, but those with clinical nursing backgrounds are good canidates for this type of program. Now may I ask for every traditional school nurse that turns out harming a patient are you going to condem that school too??? Guess there wouldn't be many schools in operation if they closed for every poor judgement one of their grads made. As I said before there are good and bad in all schools!!! I think you need to chill out--you have beaten this horse dead at every chance you get--channel some of this energy into a more positive avenue. I have not been on this board in awhile, but every time I check back it's the same thing with you. We get it that you don't like Excelsior.

I woke up today and thought how glad I am Chris is almost done with the program!!!! Good luck and positive vibes to you in Racine!!!! I think instead of battling over schools we should all benefit more from each other!!! This is a very tiny issue when we think of all the chaos that is happening in this world daily--let's wrap up the beaten horse and channel positive energy to world peace.

Kim

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Whatever ... maybe I don't have a clue about certain things. I'm willing to admit that. But, perhaps, you guys don't either. Feel free to have the last word. I'm out.

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Whatever ... maybe I don't have a clue about certain things. I'm willing to admit that. But perhaps you guys don't either. Feel free to have the last word. I'm out.

I for one am glad although I have seen this pattern before so I won't be surprised when the little "sqauk and run" bug rears it's ugly little head again!

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Chris,

Somewhere along the line I missed that you were going to Racine. It's been more than a few years since I did some of my clinical stuff in that neck of the woods, but the Regents College folks there were SUPER! Not a bad egg amongst 'em--very demanding and exacting but also very personable and caring. Hope the same ones are still there for you! Good luck and have fun!

Dakota

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Specializes in Trauma,ER,CCU/OHU/Nsg Ed/Nsg Research.

:chair: Is it safe to come out yet? :p

I think if I remember correctly, it was a hit-&-run poster who couldn't cut the mustard at the CPNE after 3 attempts that started the whole negative vibe thing. As for me- and I'll say it again- I have worked so hard in this program to get through it, without publishing companies giving me shortcuts & answers, etc. I worked extremely hard, and I learned a lot. And really, I know that whenever I had jumped in to defend EC with a vengeance, I was really defending my own hard work & dedication to their program. If a person said they "just let anybody into EC," or something to that effect, it caused me to feel that my own hard work and previous credentials were being somewhat discredited by that person.

That being said, we can't let stuff like that get to us- no matter the intention of the person who is "naysaying." I don't think Lizz has a problem with any of us as nurses- just with EC as a school. Being with EC doesn't really negatively define us in the least. Those of us who have invested our time in their program know what it's really about. I had my own prejudices about the program before I got to know some EC grads, because of the constant flyers from publishing companies, etc. telling me how "fast & easy" it would be to become an RN if I signed up with them to graduate from EC. As a LPN in a major teaching hospital with 8 years experience, and a vast interest in nursing, this program wasn't fast or easy for me. I worked harder in this program than I ever did in traditional school. I read the material, did further research on things I wasn't well versed in, And made double sure I knew my stuff before I went & took an exam that I had paid good $ for. I care planned every single Dx I studied as well. I figured as a LPN, I knew most of the "whats"- I was in an RN program to learn the "whys" and "what-to-expects." That meant I had to know this stuff- not memorize it from a pre-fabbed list of facts from a publishing company. As far as how long it has taken me- a friend/coworker of mine started her bridge program the same time I started with EC. She was done a few months ago, and I have a couple more general eds to do, if that tells you anything. BUT- she states she didn't learn a darn thing at her school, and will not go back there. I think all of us here are smart enough to know when we're being shafted- we are nurses after all, and have a good amount of experience in that dept...lol. I have never felt shafted by EC- ever. I actually had to get used to everything being so up-front and organized with them. And they are very organized- a huge help! I feel I've gotten my money's worth from them- 100%.

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I always wondered what the "under the chair" smilie was for. Now I know.

I don't have any issues with lizz (or anybody else for that matter) as long as they stick to the issue (mostly) and don't tromp all over people or facts to serve their own agendas. I think we have all been very restrained in managing dealing with her posts, but enough is enough.

I'm feeling very good about EC. I think they are a heck of a school. And I suspect that people that have issues with Excelsior College are either competitor schools (guild issues) or people who couldn't cut it, or couldn't get in.

Everything you said, lgflamini, I agree with.

And with that, I'm gone to Racine until Monday.

Cheers, everybody! And thanks for the tremendous support!

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I always wondered what the "under the chair" smilie was for. Now I know.

I don't have any issues with lizz (or anybody else for that matter) as long as they stick to the issue (mostly) and don't tromp all over people or facts to serve their own agendas. I think we have all been very restrained in managing dealing with her posts, but enough is enough.

I'm feeling very good about EC. I think they are a heck of a school. And I suspect that people that have issues with Excelsior College are either competitor schools (guild issues) or people who couldn't cut it, or couldn't get in.

Everything you said, lgflamini, I agree with.

And with that, I'm gone to Racine until Monday.

Cheers, everybody! And thanks for the tremendous support!

I agree Chris, totally.

Way too often someone asks a question about EC or other distance ed programs and before you know it, a few individuals jump on the opportunity to turn the question into a power struggle.

We will be thinking of you this weekend!

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Specializes in Mental Health, MI/CD, Neurology.

I've sat back for the most part, biting my fingers (can't say tongue since I'm typing and not talking). All of you (not Lizz) have done an outstanding job at getting your (very good) points across. I am very impressed, grasshoppers. :chuckle

I'm glad that Chris tests this weekend. Got her energy and mouth up to a level even above her usual level. Thanks for speaking for us all Chris!

Oop--- what's that? What was that strange noise? Ohhhh, it's Racine telling Chris to get her butt up there and tear the place apart.

*~*~*Go Chris Go!!!!*~*~*

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