I am wating to go into lpn class with a felony - Page 3
Register Today!- Jul 22, '11 by traumaRUsCinnamonRosay - these are questions best answered by the Board of Nursing in your state and/or an administrative law attorney.
- Jul 23, '11 by Juwon[quote=Tiger747;5160051]Finding a nursing job with a felony in 2011? LOL Ain't gonna happen.
In my town you won't get on at Walmart. Convenience stores? Forget it.
Call centers? No way. Independent McDonald's franchise? Maybe.
This is not true, where i know quite a few nurses who have both misdemeanors and felonies that work. My aunt work and she is a nurse, and her record is not even seven years old. She just got a new job as of april 2011 part time, along with her full time job. - Aug 6, '11 by ErinRN2BQuote from JuwonSeriously? Assault and battery is not a problem to the BON?I just know these nurses personally. The one that has been to prison she is a personal friend of the family. She was denied her license initially, but she asked the board of nursing what could she do to get her license, and they asked for 8 letters of recommendations from teachers, pastors, friends, etc. The reason why they did this to her is because she had been in prison more than once. Also, my aunt when has a criminal background(2 counts of felony and a misdemeanor) and she works, she recently got her license as of may 2009, and everything went fine. After she passed the NCLEX-RN, she had to go downtown and have a meeting with the BON people in here in CHicago. They asked her about her background and after she told them that she had assaulted two police officers and got the felonies, they said ok, we know that people are not perfect and that police can be crooked. THey told her to expect her license soon and they sent her on her way. After she got her license which took less than a month, she had three job offers in less than two weeks, here in long term care, but here in chicago, LTC starts off more than the hospitals. Also, a friend of hers in the nursing program had SIX felony convictions for assault, bsttery, bugulary and the list goes on and she was granted her license and she now works. I wish you the best in your endeavor, but OHio seems like a strict state. I think illinois is pretty easy going for the most part.
I have a friend in the class ahead of mine that has had to jump through some hoops with the Indiana BON because she was arrested with she was 18 for being a minor in possession of alcohol - something that about 90% of the people I went to high school with could have been convicted of at one point or another! I've heard of plenty of similar stories, with less optimistic outcomes, for people with DUIs and misdemeanor drug convictions. I understand why the BON has such strict policies for nurses w/ substance-related convictions - depending on what specialty you work in, you could be dispensing narcotics to patients every day, etc. But in my opinion, substance use is often just a symptom of an underlying psychiatric problem that hasn't been dealt with properly and needs to be treated.
Speaking purely from a patient's point of view, I would definitely prefer to have a nurse with a drug or alcohol conviction who has addressed the problem and taken the steps to make sure it doesn't happen again over a nurse with multiple convictions of causing bodily harm to another person.
That worries me.
- Sep 24, '11 by JuwonQuote from ErinRN2BSeriously? Assault and battery is not a problem to the BON?
I have a friend in the class ahead of mine that has had to jump through some hoops with the Indiana BON because she was arrested with she was 18 for being a minor in possession of alcohol - something that about 90% of the people I went to high school with could have been convicted of at one point or another! I've heard of plenty of similar stories, with less optimistic outcomes, for people with DUIs and misdemeanor drug convictions. I understand why the BON has such strict policies for nurses w/ substance-related convictions - depending on what specialty you work in, you could be dispensing narcotics to patients every day, etc. But in my opinion, substance use is often just a symptom of an underlying psychiatric problem that hasn't been dealt with properly and needs to be treated.
Speaking purely from a patient's point of view, I would definitely prefer to have a nurse with a drug or alcohol conviction who has addressed the problem and taken the steps to make sure it doesn't happen again over a nurse with multiple convictions of causing bodily harm to another person.
That worries me.
FYI read the definition of assault, and it does not necessarily mean bringing body harm onto someone. If you threaten someone then you have assaulted them. Get your facts straight. - Sep 24, '11 by sirIQuote from JuwonBut, in your post, you stated: Also, a friend of hers in the nursing program had SIX felony convictions for assault, bsttery, bugulary and the list goes on and she was granted her license and she now works.FYI read the definition of assault, and it does not necessarily mean bringing body harm onto someone. If you threaten someone then you have assaulted them. Get your facts straight.
...so the "facts are straight".
Let's not make this discussion personal and keep debating the topic instead. When it's personalized, tempers flare and the thread derails.
Thank you. - Sep 26, '11 by tiffjh2As an adult if you physically harm a human being out of anger you shouldn't be a nurse. Drugs; if you entered a rehabilitation center and have drugs tests routinely, there should be some leniency. I've know nurses that smoke pot, threaten to beat people up, act so childish I'm wondering "who they lay."
Ohio-they're too strict ppl make mistakes. Get over it! - Sep 26, '11 by tiffjh2Quote from Tiger747What state do u reside in? If you have had a personal experience with not being able to get a job because of a record then you have a firsthand experience, or if you are mayor/governor you personally know all the people in your town and have extensive knowledge of their criminal background history?!? There could be hundreds of people in your town you don't know that have a criminal history and are working.Finding a nursing job with a felony in 2011? LOL Ain't gonna happen.
In my town you won't get on at Walmart. Convenience stores? Forget it.
Call centers? No way. Independent McDonald's franchise? Maybe.
10- and 15-year-old misdemeanors mean no job---anywhere, let alone nursing.
Employer's market with 5-6 people per position available. Young, 25-35-year old model types with squeaky clean backgrounds.
Truck driving. That's it.
Now... my neighbor lady is a drug addict (crack, meth, pills,etc.) who has a rap sheet a mile long-- in fact her poor husband sold his Harley just last year to post her bail for stealing cell phones to sell and buy drugs with--- became a pharmecy tech (no, I'm not making this up) and got a job at CVS. However, she is a Loni Anderson lookalike that also found a way to cheat at bingo, making a fortune before all the bingo halls figured it out.
So, there are exceptions; but, I'm telling you, the lady in the above example is really a professional con artist(my neighbor for 22 years). I'm talking genius. Any other drug addict would not get a job as a pharmecy tech.
Save yourself the heartache. - Sep 26, '11 by tiffjh2Quote from cinnamon rosayYou can contact BON; some people think they are intimidating, but they are willing to help.Hi i am a 40yrs old cna and i just got recertified last year. In the past i went str8 to college from highschool graduated with honors. when i was 20yrs old i got a felony and and i dropped out because i was told i could be a RN i had missed up by friend after going for 3 yrs. Then when i was 28yrs old i got jumped by 5 fat women was beatin with poles and i stabbed one of them with a box cutter to get them out of me then i got other felony it was self-defense but my retended lawyer said there was no self-defense law in michigan and they were on my property. I cry all the time because im such a loving person i was protecting my children and my home. I was so upset i was working at chrysler that i didnt call in. I lost my job for being m.i.a. it been 12 to 13 yrs and i still want to go to school but don't know if i can and you help me with some answer please?
- Sep 27, '11 by PhoenixTechQuote from tiffjh2what does "who they lay" mean? in regards to physical harm out of anger vs drug abuse, consider this true story. about a year ago as a fairly new pct, i walked onto my floor one morning to a pt who had been screaming in pain for most of the night. the rn assigned to him spent most of the morning going back and forth between his room and the telephone attempting to get a dr. to come in and increase his morphine. she kept talking very loudly saying things like, 'poor man, the med is not working, i'm trying to get him more', in the meantime this pt was in agony. i witnessed the rn and the dr. discussing the med increase and i overheard her tell the dr. that it wasn't enough. i also witnessed her going into his room with a syringe but the patient kept screaming all throughout my shift.as an adult if you physically harm a human being out of anger you shouldn't be a nurse. drugs; if you entered a rehabilitation center and have drugs tests routinely, there should be some leniency. i've know nurses that smoke pot, threaten to beat people up, act so childish i'm wondering "who they lay."
ohio-they're too strict ppl make mistakes. get over it!
the next morning i came in and the pt had expired in the night, i had to do his post-mortem care and while i did it i replayed the previous day in my mind and wondered if that nurse had diverted his med. there were other behaviours contributing to my suspicion but it was just that, a suspicion...however, i felt very disturbed at how this man screamed in agony until his death. fast forward to now and in the midst of the layoffs and bumping going on i notice that i haven't seen that rn in some months. when i asked about her, lo and behold, she was caught diverting and given an opportunity for rehab. i don't know if she completed the rehab or not but she hasn't been back since.
my question is, even in the face of an incurable disease such as addiction is how is the morality of allowing someone to make their final transition in agony more acceptable than the person who physically harms someone in a fit of anger? the addict is given rehab, why can't the harmer get anger management? to me, it's especially egregious because the rn has already gone through school and learned about bioethics, took the oath and is aware that their license is at stake. why is it more acceptable to just be given rehab when diversion is a factor even though the pt that was in physical pain is harmed by this action?
what i suspect this particular rn of doing would require a conscious decision to harm someone whereas a fit of anger is just that, a fit. listen, i'm not advocating that all people who have harmed someone should be nurses, i'm just pointing out those circumstances and mitigating factors have to be included in these blanket decisions that most people have about who should be nurses and who shouldn't.
Last edit by PhoenixTech on Sep 28, '11 : Reason: Spelling - Sep 28, '11 by tiffjh2Quote from phoenixtechwhat does "who they lay" mean? in regards to physical harm out of anger vs drug abuse, consider this true story. about a year ago as a fairly new pct, i walked onto my floor one morning to a pt who had been screaming in pain for most of the night. the rn assigned to him spent most of the morning going back and forth between his room and the telephone attempting to get a dr. to come in and increase his morphine. she kept talking very loudly saying things like, 'poor man, the med is not working, i'm trying to get him more', in the meantime this pt was in agony. i witnessed the rn and the dr. discussing the med increase and i overheard her tell the dr. that it wasn't enough. i also witnessed her going into his room with a syringe but the patient kept screaming all throughout my shift.
the next morning i came in and the pt had expired in the night, i had to do his post-mortem care and while i did it i replayed the previous day in my mind and wondered if that nurse had diverted his med. there were other behaviours contributing to my suspicion but it was just that, a suspicion...however, i felt very disturbed at how this man screamed in agony until his death. fast forward to now and in the midst of the layoffs and bumping going on i notice that i haven't seen that rn in some months. when i asked about her, lo and behold, she was caught diverting and given an opportunity for rehab. i don't know if she completed the rehab or not but she hasn't been back since.
my question is, even in the face of an incurable disease such as addiction is how is the morality of allowing someone to make their final transition in agony more acceptable than the person who physically harms someone in a fit of anger? the addict is given rehab, why can't the harmer get anger management? to me, it's especially egregious because the rn has already gone through school and learned about bioethics, took the oath and is aware that their license is at stake. why is it more acceptable to just be given rehab when diversion is a factor even though the pt that was in physical pain is harmed by this action?
what i suspect this particular rn of doing would require a conscious decision to harm someone whereas a fit of anger is just that, a fit. listen, i'm not advocating that all people who have harmed someone should be nurses, i'm just pointing out those circumstances and mitigating factors have to be included in these blanket decisions that most people have about who should be nurses and who shouldn't.
it means what it says! if a person not matter nurse or not has had an addiction problem which i know of one who was addicted to pain killers after back surgery, she got addicted and she got help..she is a great nurse so why can't she be one...humans make mistakes. if you are purposely causing harm to another person then they shouldn't be in healthcare.
what i am saying is getting help through rehabilitation, constant drug screens, and positive reinforcement.