I was accepted into Nursing School
contigent on a background check. I already know that I have a history so I asked the Chairperson of the program what the next step would be when my history came back. I was told there would be no further steps because I would be denied. When I addressed the disclaimer stating that 'clearance to a clinical facility will be decided by the clinical agencies', I was told that she knows for sure that they wouldn't accept me.
Now, the Board in my State said that they would consider candidates for licensure with criminal histories on a case by case basis, taking into account severity, time passed, rehabilitative efforts, recommendation letters and the like. However, they won't be able to render a decision until we actually apply for licensure. How is this possible if all Nursing Schools
in the state won't accept you for clinical placement?
Since I have a history I've been preparing for this moment. I've been gathering recommendation letters, I've started the process to get Nursing Home clearance and I was expecting for my case to at least go to the agencies but I was shot down as soon as I said I have a history. I was told that if they had known I wouldn't have been accepted. This I already knew which is why I waited for acceptance before speaking with them.
The only option that I see is to continue with the clearance for the Nursing Home because that would be the first clinical site. The second and third clinical rotations are both done at my place of employment so there's no problem there. The fourth and final clinical is a Peds rotation. I'm a PCT at my place of employment and have been involved with patient care for 2 years now. I submitted my criminal history before getting hired and I was obviously cleared. My history is over 14years old and while my offenses are serious, I can absolutely provide documentation of rehabilitation. I already have the documents. I have a recommendation letter from the AVP of outpatient services who I've worked with personally and is aware of my history. I'm going to inquire about any contacts the AVP may have in the sites where my school does Peds rotations, because unfortunately, we have no Ped services.
I'm not asking for legal advice. I'm venting on my situation and asking how to approach this situtation. Should I go to the clinical contact at my school and ask if they can contact another site for Peds or what? Is my plan viable? What do you think?
Please, if you have nothing useful and encouraging to say to me, don't say anything at all. I don't need a moral spanking because I've done that to myself for too many years, I'm fully aware of the Board's first priority, to protect the public as they should. I'm just trying to make it to the Board and I don't see how it's possible based on what this person is telling me. Also, I personally know of people who went through nursing school with clinical histories and a couple who went throught this school in particular. Should I mention that?
Jun 17, '10
Thank you all for your replies.
No _phaedra_, my state or school doesn't require fingerprint clearance and there are no disqualifying offenses. However, for the Nursing Homes, if you have certain convictions you have to go through a clearance procedure where you can explain yourself and present evidence of rehabilitation before you can work there or do clinicals there. That's what I'm in the process of doing now.
elkpark thank you for responding, I've followed you on this site and really respect your knowledge and views. When your school said that licensure was between Board and student, that is exactly what I'm pushing for and looking forward to. I understand that I have to live my life despite not knowing the outcome of everything I attempt to do and I do believe in miracles. I'd like the opportunity to get to the Board.
If the director had asked me what my history was and how long ago it was, then I'd be satisfied that she spoke with authority. However, since the moment I said 'history' she said no and since she confirmed that if they had known they wouldn't have accepted me, I'm flummoxed as to how the decision is left up to the clinical agencies as not only the program material states, but also as my own acceptance letter states. If it's as she says it is, that no clinical agencies in my state accepts people with any
criminal history regardless of details, but the Board is saying that they go on a case by case basis, it seems to me that this sort of practice should be discriminatory. I'm not saying we have a law like that, I'm saying the state needs to seriously take a look at it. Maybe adopt the declaratory order process that Texas has.
I've been doing Patient Care for 2 years now and I disclosed my history with my job before I was hired. I know for a fact that I'd be able to do clinicals at my job, which is one of my school's clinical sites. In any event, I'm going to work on getting my own clinical clearance and if I'm not able to, I'll concede that this particular opportunity is not for me at this time. I have till September to get it together, I'll keep you posted.
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Jun 18, '10
please let me explain elkpark, because somewhere along the way, the lines got twisted. i understood your post perfectly. i know that you ment the director knows that the clinical sites affiliated with the school doesn't accept anyone with a criminal history. my response was this, the course material as well as my acceptance letter states, 'positive criminal histories will be reviewed by the clinical sites and if you are denied clinical placement with them you will have to withdraw from the program' (not a direct quote).
when i asked what the procedure would be as far as the review process, she stated there would be no review because she already knows they won't accept anyone with criminal histories. my reasoning is this, she didn't ask me what the history entails or how long ago it was, so for her to make that particular statement would indeed imply that any criminal history, across the board will be denied. if that is the case, then the course material would read, 'criminal histories of any sort will not be accepted at this school', or something to that effect.
now if that is indeed the case, then that practice sounds discriminatory to me. i specifically stated that i know of no law to that effect, but that the matter of the contradictory practice of the board, (case by case decisions) & the schools, (no criminal histories allowed) should be seriously looked at and maybe something akin to the declaratory order process that texas has, can be implemented.
now as far as employment goes. i mentioned nothing about employment after licensure. nor did i imply that the board can force someone to hire me. i'm astonished at that whole section because i've read this whole criminal history thread and i'm aware of rn's who are unable to obtain employment with histories. i'm also aware of rn's that are able to obtain employment with histories. i didn't wake up yesterday gung ho to become a nurse. i'm well aware of the risks. i just happen to believe in miracles, as i've already mentioned, and even moreso, that i'm in the care of a god who wants for nothing but my success. not going to get overly spiritual right now, i'll just say that i believe in me and i believe in him. i already work in a healthcare facility.
finally, do you really think that i don't know that i'd have to do clinicals at the contracted sites? wow. did you really picture me going from one healthcare facility to another asking if i can do clinicals with them? and did you really expect me to go to the school and insist on someone accompanying me to whatever site said yes? i'm suprised that you'd think that i would be that uninformed and naive. i know all of the clinical sites that they use. i work at one of them. it seems to me that the more detail i try to give, the more out of context the information is taken. in that respect, i'll just follow up on this thread when my particular situation is resolved. whether the resolution is to my favor or not.
no elkpark, i don't feel browbeaten or criticized, i do however feel patronized and ridiculed.
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