Maintaining the license without work, and a general rant

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So, I'm one of those once-upon-a-time new grads who is no longer a new grad but who has been unable to find employment. I'm building this little patchwork of short term employment situations (camp nurse, flu shot nurse) and was idly looking at the requirements for licensure in a neighboring state recently when I saw that this particular state has, as part of its maintenance requirements, in addition to CEUs, a practice requirement. To wit, 400 hours. And if you do not have the 400 hours you are required to take a refresher course.

My state appears to be a little lax in the keep-your-license-active department, 15 CEUs every two years. For this I am thankful, even though I actually think it is wise to require a minimum number of hours of practice. But I wonder how many of us are going to fail in this regard because WE CANNOT FIND WORK?

400 hours = 40 hours/week for 10 weeks. I guess being a flu shot nurse might get you there.

- Graduated May 2009

- Excellent student, top of the class

- Revived the student nurse's association

- Got a nationally known speaker on nursing to come to campus, offered CEUs for attendance at her lecture

- Received the department's highest award for academic, clinical, and leadership excellence

- I've taken a refresher, I volunteer at a free medical clinic and as a vigil sitter in the palliative care program at a continuing care community; took a medical Spanish class last year; occasionally attend grand rounds at local teaching hospitals in areas of special interest.

- "Mature," i.e., old, and overweight. I'm working on the weight thing; down 15 lbs so far, thank you Weight Watchers. Can't do anything about the age, though I have considered, for the first time ever in my entire life, dying my hair.

What was I thinking, going back to college in my mid-50's? I get the occasional interview but never seem to click.

Hey, you, hiring managers: I thumb my nose at all of you who will not hire me because I have no experience. I hear horror stories from friends who work as PCTs (because they too cannot find jobs but were smart enough to be working as PCTs before they graduated) about the bad behavior of many of the nurses they work with: mocking their patients, speaking of them derisively, not attending to a particular patient because they don't like them, and in general doing as little as possible because they want to be in Facebook or fooling around online. Why are personal devices even allowed on the floor? Oh, because nobody hires real live people to answer telephones anymore. Duh. God help me if I ever have to be in a hospital and have no one to advocate for my care.

Off for my morning walk, it'll probably cheer me up.

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Yeah, the whole go where the jobs are thing just isn't realistic for many...even when I was young, there was no way I'd be able to relocate away from family and support system for various reasons.

You've probably already pursued this avenue, but I figured I'd throw it out there anyway...

What about a part-time job in a rural area? Even if a fair bit from where you live, if you could get two shifts a week back-to-back and stay in a cheap motel between those shifts, it could be workable. It was one of the things I looked into when I had to quit working agency many moons ago.

Best of luck to you and everyone else looking in this sucky economical climate. We're living on the edge constantly b/c although I have a full time job, hubby's been out of work for going on three years now. My step-kids mom is a SAHM, can't find employment that makes it worth while to work (she's got three besides my step-kids with her hubby) and her hubsand is employed in an industry where it's not unusual to get laid off for weeks at a time between jobs. There's been multiple times in the last several years that I've been the only one out of the four parents who was employed. It just sucks out there.

Texas is not begging for nurses that's for sure. Texas is flooded with new grads & everyone with experience who can't get jobs anywhere else!! In my system we have 100+ people competing for one experienced slot in some cases..and there are zillions of new grads everywhere.

Ugh, the job market really is terrible, especially for new grads. And I completely agree about the unrealistic idea of moving across the country for jobs. I moved a couple states away and have spent almost a year looking for a job after looking at jobs in my home state. Now I'm out of money and have a SO, so moving would involve us both finding something in the same place and might be too expensive anyway.

After reading this thread and another one, I'm becoming increasingly interested in other areas of nursing, areas completely away from bedside nursing but that I could still use my degree for. I'm just concerned that I won't be able to get a job without any experience. Any ideas? Unlike the original poster, I have absolutely no experience in anything other than nursing school clinicals. Are there other parts of the medical field I could get into? Non-nursing areas but that are willing to work with someone with a BSN?

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After reading this thread and another one, I'm becoming increasingly interested in other areas of nursing, areas completely away from bedside nursing but that I could still use my degree for. I'm just concerned that I won't be able to get a job without any experience. Any ideas? Unlike the original poster, I have absolutely no experience in anything other than nursing school clinicals. Are there other parts of the medical field I could get into? Non-nursing areas but that are willing to work with someone with a BSN?

Check out the links I left for the OP in this thread. They may help get you started in looking at other options.

Also, consider The US Public Health Corps, and consider going back to school for a MS in Healthcare Administration, a healthcare MBA, or Public Health.

Specializes in Critical Care, ED, Cath lab, CTPAC,Trauma.
I have given up thinking I have the remotest chance to work in an acute care setting. I don't really want to work in an acute care setting anyway, I realized this after a year of concentrating my job search on hospitals. I still think that 1-2 years acute care experience is a good base, maybe even the best, but it's just not going to happen. I have applied to many different settings: LTC, rehab, long term acute, sub-acute, abortion clinic, assisted living, psychiatric hospital, well known health care for the homeless program in nearby Bigtown, public health, VA. My latest targets are community health centers/clinics because I think that is the type of nursing I want to do and the population I want to work with. I don't know what a registry is, but it sounds like an agency; agencies in my area do not want nurses without experience.

As for prison nursing, I've been on two tours and had one interview. The first prison was a federal prison and the physical requirements are quite rigorous! Since my goal is to get fit this year, it's possible that I would be able to be in shape enough to complete the almost-like-basic training required. The other tour and interview was at a state prison for women; they gave me a 5 minute interview (TYVM), and I obviously didn't have what they were looking for. Research is one of the areas I have an interest in, but rare is the job that does not require experience in that setting. I have tried to get hired as a clinical research coordinator (I would be very happy to start there!) as a way to get my foot in the door, but when I finagled a conversation with the hiring manager (after she'd evidently decided not to interview me), she told me outright that she wouldn't hire me because once I found an RN job I would leave and she wanted someone who would stay 2 years.

The last interview I had was for a part time position at an adult day health center. Not my first choice, but I would probably enjoy that population. The hiring manager told me she didn't want to hire a new grad but she'd only received applications from new grads. I thought I did well on the interview, but never received a call back. I did not pursue it because I was wary of being dropped into a situation without adequate training. (Already been there done that, it was dangerous and I got out after 4 weeks.)

I keep trying. I will keep trying. But it's a grind. And I hate being in limbo.

Have you tried LTAC's? Long term acute care?

Specializes in Critical Care, ED, Cath lab, CTPAC,Trauma.
I think you are being charitable to imply that our elected representatives believe that we have an "emergency shortage of nurses". They pretend to believe it which gives them the cover for backing HR 1929. While the evidence is sketchy, I believe that the lobbying for this bill is for purely economic reasons: To keep or even increase the numbers of nurses in order to control costs.

Nursing wages have increased quite a bit in the last decade and are now seen by many hospitals and health care companies as one of their primary cost drivers. In our open market system, the more attractive salaries draw more interest in nursing, which drives demand for more nursing schools, followed by increased numbers of nurses entering the practice and eventually the slowing or cessation of upward pressure on wages. This is market equilibrium and after a short period where supply and demand are in balance, the cycle would reverse. This is kind of where we are now in the economic cycle and in a truly free market, we would start to see a gradual reduction in the production of new nurses, in turn leading to a shortage and then eventually, a repetition of the cycle.

In my view, we no longer have that free and open market guided by the "invisible hand" that Adam Smith envisioned. Again in my view, our economic system is now much more plutocratic than capitalistic with large corporations and the wealthy now enjoying an almost unrestrained ability to manipulate the market to their purposes. So those large hospital corporations, insurance companies and other health care corporations continue to push the "nursing shortage" through their lobbyists and the mantra is picked up by legislators who are dependent on these companies for the cash needed to fund their election campaigns.

The end result is a bill like HR 1929, whose real purpose is to ensure the continuing oversupply of nurses in order to maintain wage pressure. A great side "benefit" of HR 1929 for its proponents is that potential nursing students continue to see government corroboration of the nursing shortage and so apply continuing pressure on nursing schools to maintain or even increase enrollment. Thus, the proponents of HR 1929 get the double benefit of both more foreign nurses and more domestic nurses in the job market. I believe that end result will be precisely what big health care wants: Continued downward pressure on nursing wages for a much longer period than would be the case in a truly free market system.

I frankly hope to be proved wrong in this but have the sinking feeling that I'm largely on the mark.

I agree whole heartedly!!!:yeah::yeah::yeah:

Florida, California... Hell, Texas is begging for nurses. Houston, Dallas, Killeen/Waco. (Waco was even offering money to relocate. When's the last time you've seen relocation money?)

2009 and no job??? Laughable...

Do you have a source to support your statement that these states are "begging for nurses?" I know many here who are looking for work would appreciate it. As an experienced nurse in Texas, I have not had trouble getting job offers. I have not heard the same from new grads, but I don't exactly know a boatload of them.

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Do you have a source to support your statement that these states are "begging for nurses?" I know many here who are looking for work would appreciate it. As an experienced nurse in Texas, I have not had trouble getting job offers. I have not heard the same from new grads, but I don't exactly know a boatload of them.

I don't know about a boat load but I have been getting recruitment calls from Texas ans Tennessee for experienced and supervisor/director positions and I haven't had those in FOREVER......too bad I can't walk right now...:(

i don't know about a boat load but i have been getting recruitment calls from texas ans tennessee for experienced and supervisor/director positions and i haven't had those in forever......too bad i can't walk right now...:(

yes, but when i said "boat load" i was referring to new grads being "begged" to work in texas. i think experienced nurses can find work in texas relatively easily, but it's the new grads (like the op) i'm wondering about.

Specializes in Critical Care, ED, Cath lab, CTPAC,Trauma.

I think new grads are having trouble everywhere....

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Hmm. I was initially reading your post with empathy and understanding. Top of class, lots of extra activities, and the seeming motivation to plug away and do what it takes to find employment. Good on ya.

But unfortunately when I got to the last few sentences of your post I thought I might understand the problem. Let's see: critical of other nurses that you don't even know (based on hearsay from PCTs??) Really? You deam others who have (the job you want) a job as lazy, inept, and lacking. If you come from a place of "I am the bomb" "first in my class" and think you are better, smarter, more caring than all the nurses currently employed maybe that is part of the problem. Maybe it comes across in the interiews. And yes, being older and overweight may play a part in not being hired. And that may not be fair but it is life. But I would work on the more sublte things. Maybe attitude and how you come across. Just a suggestion.

I do not think I am better than ALL the nurses currently employed, but I know I would be a better nurse than some who are employed and that annoys me. I don't rant in my interviews. FWiW, the PCTs who told me stories were new grad nurses working as PCTs. Yes, that is hearsay, but these are nurses whose work ethic I know and who I would love to work with; I have no reason to doubt their observations.

While it's human nature to complain I find it odd that so many "new grads" continually sit in a saturated market and complain there is no work.

If I were an auto worker sitting in Detroit wondering when I could get hired building cars when no one is making cars I would have the same complaint.

Here's a suggestion: Go where the jobs are...

Florida, California... Hell, Texas is begging for nurses. Houston, Dallas, Killeen/Waco. (Waco was even offering money to relocate. When's the last time you've seen relocation money?)

2009 and no job??? Laughable...

I'd like to know where these jobs are. I'm in Houston and if you don't have experience they won't even interview you.

I know one recent ADN grad who went back into the mortage business ...housing market is really bad but apparently not as bad as the jobmarket for new grad nurses w/ no experience.

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