Forced to stay and work under mandatory evacuation? - page 18

I live near the gulf where evacuating for hurricanes is a possibility around this time. The hospital where I work places nurses on teams. One team is forced to say, the other forced to come back 24... Read More

  1. Visit  Ruby Vee profile page
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    Quote from hm-8404
    the op lives in a hurricane area. many forget that hurricanes do not hit in a matter of a few hours or minutes. you are given days notice, sometimes 3+. if someone can foresee it being a problem and can't get their kids or wheelchair bound mom evacuated with 2-3 days notice they have no business taking a job where that can be a requirement.

    i believe this is what most are saying.
    i hope this is what most are saying.

    i live further north than most hurricanes venture, but i was happy to see that almost none of our staff tried to back out of being at work if they were supposed to be there. i was in the midwest visiting my mother (and had just arrived) when dh called me to say that a hurricane was headed toward my home on the east coast. i turned around and flew back home the next day. every airport along the way was full to overflowing with folks headed away from the hurricane or back home to prepare their homes for the storm. flights were backed up for hours and everyone i encountered was quite cheerful about the mess. it seems that an impending natural disaster brings out the best in most of us.

    there are some, though, who probably mean exactly what they're typing. i hope they choose not to take jobs where their presence during a disaster is expected.
  2. Visit  Esme12 profile page
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    Quote from Orca
    I worked in a hospital in suburban Oklahoma City when the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building was bombed. I was four months out of nursing school. I heard the explosion while I was outside walking my dog (I wasn't due at the hospital for another six hours), and then the phone rang with the call that you hope you never get: My hospital activating the disaster plan and calling in all off-duty personnel. During the entire time we were caring for the wounded, nobody ever said "I have to leave to take care of my child/parent/pet/whatever." We were all there to do a job, and we were staying for however long it took.

    People showed up who didn't even work for us, just to see what they could do. An off-duty RN from Dallas who was traveling through town and heard the news on her car radio stopped to help. I heard no complaints, just a dedication to duty. When our CEO came through after several hours and said that we were standing down, there was a deflation in the room I cannot describe. That only meant one thing: There was no one left to save.

    I grant you, we were not stranded for days like we might have been during a hurricane. However, we were in the heart of tornado alley, and that possibility was always there. About six months after I moved west, an F5 tornado struck the Oklahoma City area and did an untold amount of damage. It destroyed the last apartment complex I lived in, and it narrowly missed my former hospital. I heard the CEO on CNN talking about the kind of cases that were coming through ER.

    Being a nurse isn't always convenient. Sometimes we have to work in conditions that most people had rather not bother with. I take pride in doing so, however. Our dedication to serving others is one thing that sets our profession apart.
    What a day for a new grad.
  3. Visit  redhead_NURSE98! profile page
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    Quote from tothepointeLVN
    The problem with making a exception for those who have kids is that so many people have kids and making an exception for them implies that their lives/comfort is worth more than those who don't. It's indirect discrimination and that's wrong.
    Well as a person who has no kids by choice I agree, I don't like being treated like I should be at their beck and call to do anything because I don't "have anyone at home." Same thing with weekends and holidays. Fortunately I work somewhere that they don't do that.
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    Quote from redhead_nurse98!
    well as a person who has no kids by choice i agree, i don't like being treated like i should be at their beck and call to do anything because i don't "have anyone at home." same thing with weekends and holidays. fortunately i work somewhere that they don't do that.
    it won't be too long now before people are working on their holiday schedules, and then we'll see the "kids card" played over having christmas off. very young children can't read the calendar and won't know that santa is "supposed" to come on december 25 instead of the 27th, and older kids are old enough to learn that "santa's coming on a special day because mommy and daddy have to take care of sick people on december 25." it's not about the kids. it's about the parents.
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    We now have a comprehensive holiday schedule on a three-year rotation. It includes Super Bowl Sunday, Halloween, thanksgiving eve, easter eve, etc. Any "holiday" that is hard to staff. We know three years running which shifts we're going to be on. We're free to trade if we can find someone to do so with.

    Not too many holidays I care about. I do love fireworks, tho. ( I was ever so lucky that I was on call 4th of July and got to see them with fam, and then my phone buzzed that they needed me and I skittered on in. Perfect timing.) The feasting events can be rescheduled. And as you said, little kids don't know and bigger kids can learn there are ways the whole world isn't about them.
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    Quote from Piglet08
    And as you said, little kids don't know and bigger kids can learn there are ways the whole world isn't about them.
    Yep, little kids don't know what the date is and older kids are only interested in the toys. They don't give a flip if mom or dad is there. When they get old enough to care if mom or dad is there they have already figured out the Santa thing anyway.
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  7. Visit  tothepointeLVN profile page
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    Quote from HM-8404
    Yep, little kids don't know what the date is and older kids are only interested in the toys. They don't give a flip if mom or dad is there. When they get old enough to care if mom or dad is there they have already figured out the Santa thing anyway.
    Also I think most little kids would be receptive to Santa coming early JUST for them. When I was a kid for the some reason the tree would be put up on Dec 1st and presents would arrive in shifts because Santas sleigh was too small to bring them all at once. Also when we were good Santa would call and say we could pick out a present to open. It was my parents way of spreading out that magical perfect behavior card that Santa represented.

    Having said that I don't celebrate any of the holidays and prefer to work on them because a)I like the OT and b) Nothing is open so I can't shop or eat out anyways.
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    We work every other "holiday," in other words I have to work Christmas Eve and New Year's Day this season. I'm gonna trade Christmas Eve for New Year's Eve, then I'll have all of New Year's off, and will probably get called off at least one of the Christmas days due to low census...meanwhile this lady that wants off for her kids thinks she getting a deal not having to work Christmas, lmao
  9. Visit  Stephalump profile page
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    Quote from tothepointeLVN

    The problem with making a exception for those who have kids is that so many people have kids and making an exception for them implies that their lives/comfort is worth more than those who don't. It's indirect discrimination and that's wrong.

    Bottom line the OP has been given notice of what is expected of her in advance so if she chooses to disagree with the terms of her employment she is free to seek employment elsewhere.
    Are we talking about our own lives? I thought we were talking about the lives of the children we value so highly. Really, are childless people REALLY under the impression that a parent would push them into the eye of a tornado because their life is worth more?
    Is this a reality that anyone has actualy faced, or just a version of taking things to the extreme to make a point?

    Because, and I'm sorry, but life trumps all. My life is not more valuable than anyone else's but my child's life is worth more than your car. Yes, we all have fulfilling lives, but we're talking about dependents. Be they children or impaired adults or beloved pets, I wouldn't equate protecting my house to anyone protecting their dependents.

    Do I think distasteful duty should be decided by who has the most valuables at home? No. But when I'm watching my single parent coworker dodge duty because her kids are alone in a hurricane, that's hardly the time to put a chip on my shoulder.
    Last edit by Stephalump on Aug 6, '12
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  10. Visit  tothepointeLVN profile page
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    Quote from Stephalump
    Are we talking about our own lives? I thought we were talking about the lives of the children we value so highly. Really, are childless people REALLY under the impression that a parent would push them into the eye of a tornado because their life is worth more?
    Is this a reality that anyone has actualy faced, or just a version of taking things to the extreme to make a point?

    Because, and I'm sorry, but life trumps all. My life is not more valuable than anyone else's but my child's life is worth more than your car. Yes, we all have fulfilling lives, but we're talking about dependents. Be they children or impaired adults or beloved pets, I wouldn't equate protecting my house to anyone protecting their dependents.

    Do I think distasteful duty should be decided by who has the most valuables at home? No. But when I'm watching my single parent coworker dodge duty because her kids are alone in a hurricane, that's hardly the time to put a chip on my shoulder.
    I think you've misinterpreted my statement because it serves to illustrate your point. When I said "their lives" I was referring to their children. I'm sorry if you don't like this but I have felt that people with children think their progeny are more important that anything else in non disaster situations.

    In a disaster situation I can potentially save more lives by showing up for duty than I would being at home with my family. But the OP doesn't have children but even if she did my opinion would be the same. Also a lot of people have stated they would not show up so they could stay home and board up their houses. She may find in a year or two she'll be placed on a different team and it'll be a non issue.
  11. Visit  redhead_NURSE98! profile page
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    Quote from Stephalump
    Are we talking about our own lives? I thought we were talking about the lives of the children we value so highly.
    No offense, I don't know you, lol.

    Quote from Stephalump
    Really, are childless people REALLY under the impression that a parent would push them into the eye of a tornado because their life is worth more?
    Love the hyperbole.

    I'm personally under the impression that some people think their time is more valuable and/or they should be able to do whatever they want because they have a family. They certainly use that crutch on much less pressing matters than tornado duty. Rarely do I think it results in some group of childless superheroes doing all the emergency work, since a) there do exist plenty of parents with morals and work ethic, and b) there just aren't that dern many of us out there.
    Last edit by Esme12 on Aug 7, '12 : Reason: TOS diversive
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  12. Visit  tothepointeLVN profile page
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    Redhead that pretty much what I would have said. I hate when people try to make me feel like I'm less of a person because I haven't experienced parenthood.
    Last edit by Esme12 on Aug 7, '12 : Reason: TOS/defamatory
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    It used to happen to me more often when I was younger; I am in the upper land of the 30's now and have been married over 10 years. I think the idiots surrounding me have figured out that I don't have them on purpose and am not planning on it, so I don't have to listen to all the drivel about what I'm missing out on as often. Yeah you know what I'm not missing out on? Sleep. lol

    Love that we've all interjected how dern valuable all of God's children are on this thread, when the OP made absolutely no reference to parental obligations whatsoever...she was just disgusted by the thought of sleeping in a room with a coworker.
    Last edit by Esme12 on Aug 7, '12 : Reason: TOS/txt speak/profanity
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