NCSBN rules out Philippines as NCLEX site - page 4

just a sad update to other filipinos. american nurses' boards won't accredit rp grads this post is not meant to incite arguments, but to inform.... Read More

  1. by   arys1075
    i feel sorry with my fellow nurses who are going to retake board exam again especially those examinees who are affected outside the review centers mentioned...."sin is the sting of death"... "we will reap what we sow"...

    sometimes we enjoy the fruit of our labour but not this kind of thing... the leaders, teachers, review center owners must always set a good example so that nurses acquire new roles, responsibilities and building a solid foundation of nursing and caring knowledge to support the next "nurses" of tomorrow...

    wherever we go and whatever we do, we're thrustworthy and always proud to be a filipino...
  2. by   pinoy_guy
    just a heads-up for the june 2006 nle passers.

    prc chief denies manipulation of grades in nursing exam
    http://www.philstar.com/philstar/news200611020411.htm

    . . .
    according to brion, his office is now looking into the alleged alteration of grades. he expects the investigation to be completed by monday.

    the labor chief branded the manipulation as "very disturbing," and it was the primary reason why he did not want the oath taking of the new nurses done until the controversy was resolved with finality.
    . . .
    but on tuesday, brion revealed they found out that some of the examinees were allowed to take their oath when they actually failed the examination, and that some scores were padded by as much as eight points.

    brion, whom president arroyo tasked to look into allegations of leakage in the nursing examinations, said a special team from the department of labor and employment is now reviewing the grades of the examinees based on the document submitted by the prc.
    . . .
    once the investigation is completed, brion said he would take the appropriate action against those found liable for the supposed grade alteration.

    however, brion said they respect the decision of the court of appeals allowing the oath taking of those who passed the nursing board exam.

    he said they would submit their findings to malacañang and let the court decide whether to revoke the licenses of those who failed but were allowed to take oath, he added.
    possibility of license revocation and allegations of score-padding.

    if they revoke licenses, i predict another salvo of lawsuits & temporary restraining orders (tros).

    if allegations of score-padding are true, are the topnotchers still topnotchers?


    put another way, if allegations of score-padding are true, why go through the leak in the first place? this theory implies that "topnotcher" ranks can be bestowed on whom they think is worthy.

    questions.
  3. by   icing
    Just Thinking...

    Have These People Investigating These Aberrations Taken A Licensure Exam Administered By The Professional Regulatory Commission In Their Life?... Just Wanna Know... Coz If They Had They Know That Computations Are Subjected To Some Degree Of Manipulation... Not Just The Nursing Boards But The Cpa Boards And Other Boards Also...

    I Mean These Computations And Manipulations Are Discussed In Review Centers... How The Prc Comes Up With The Grades... I Have Taken The Cpa Boards, An Ex Has Taken An Engineering Licensure Exam, A Medical Exam And Several Relatives Have Taken The Nle... And The Computation Has Stayed The Same...its Not Even Like Its Illegal For The Prc To Do This... Its Included In Their Mandate. Prc Has Always Had This "discretion" They Say...

    Do People Actually Think That The Board Results Are Zero Based?... If That Were So, There Would Be Even More Casualties In All The Exams Administered By The Prc...

    Now, If These Manipulations Were Not Acceptable Then It Won't Be The Nle Of 2006 That Is Tainted By The System But All Previous Exams Of All Professions Regulated By The Prc Are In Question...

    So Are These People Pushing For A Retake Willing To Open That Pandora's Box And See It Through? If They Really Are These Outstanding People That They Say They Are Shouldn't They Fight This Through And Through...

    Because If They Just Focus On The June 2006 Nle Passers... Well, It Just Seems Too Convenient...

    Maybe My Cousin Deserved To Pass The Cpa Boards Last November 2001?!!!... Retake!!!...

    Just Kidding...
  4. by   icing
    Anyway... correct me if I'm wrong... computation is done like this....

    Highest Score Less LOwestScore divided by 2.... whatever the resulting score will get 75%... that is done per subject and everything is adjusted based on that...

    Making the padding of even more than 8points possible......................
  5. by   pinoy_guy
    new nursing grads get jobs in us, uae, uk, australia
    http://newsinfo.inq7.net/inquirerhea...ticle_id=30314

    among 20 new nurses monitored by the professional regulation commission's board of nursing (bon), at least four of them had already passed the national council licensure examination (nclex) and are set to join four compatriots now employed in hospitals in the united states.
    this is good news.

    at least 4 members of this batch had been accepted by one or more us hospitals.

    if these 4 didn't previously have immigrant visas, then this means they got their visascreen certificates.

    let's hope the rest of the batch get their visascreen certificates and get the chance to earn dollars soon.
  6. by   YAJRN
    REP... my frend yu are rit. All Phi nurses wanted to go abroad but these June passers who wanted to insist on no retake just killed their American Dreams. I'm not here to incite any arguments. I just wanted to present my opinion that is deeply hidden for many months now.

    For me what is wrong about retake.Let us think again that the bigger picture is that it's more difficult when CGFNs or NCSBN would not issue any papers for legal entry to the US than claiming a no retake stance. Dante Ang - thumbs up! you just did the right advice.

    If no retake that means nurses of June 2006 would really pass thru the eye of the needle on every American gates. It's just a piece meal to take the exams again. Disregard the time, money and effort for the sake of survival and dreams. It would also help the next batch of candidates to have a worry free state when its their turn to take the boards.

    Though it is official that the verdict is clear enough for a no retake then congratulations! As a mimick to John Kerry says "do your homework, be smart and if not you'll be stuck in Phi." ,because you belong to June 2006. ITS TRUE!

    Peeps!once again lobby for a retake if there is a chance to revert the decision.
  7. by   K-Ann
    Quote from pinoy_guy
    new nursing grads get jobs in us, uae, uk, australia
    http://newsinfo.inq7.net/inquirerhea...ticle_id=30314
    quote:
    among 20 new nurses monitored by the professional regulation commission's board of nursing (bon), at least four of them had already passed the national council licensure examination (nclex) and are set to join four compatriots now employed in hospitals in the united states.
    this is good news.

    at least 4 members of this batch had been accepted by one or more us hospitals.

    if these 4 didn't previously have immigrant visas, then this means they got their visascreen certificates.

    let's hope the rest of the batch get their visascreen certificates and get the chance to earn dollars soon.
    i dont understand how they were able to apply to a us bon and sit for the nclex in just a short time, unless they applied to a bon before they took nle. but even then, hongkong pearsonvue is already closed for the rest of the year. unless, again, if they sat for nclex in the us. and again, i dont understand how they were able to get a job when they still have to apply for a permit to work which will take time. i know someone who graduated last year (june 2005) but was only able to sit for nclex this may and is still waiting for her permit to work.
    i know for sure that they went to the us with a tourist visa (if its true that they are already working there) because the embassy dont schedule interviews anymore and definitely dont give immigrant visas anymore. but they still need to get a visascreen and apply for i-485 and i-140 even if they are already there. they cannot work with a tourist visa forever. let's see what happens first, they get deported or.... well i cant think of anything.
    anyway i look at it, its very misleading. its a bull (sorry). somebody is playing with us. its either the one who released the report or the one who wrote the news.
  8. by   pinoy_guy
    Quote from freeandsingle
    i dont understand how they were able to apply to a us bon and sit for the nclex in just a short time, unless they applied to a bon before they took nle.
    a lot from this batch learned from the previous batches. they learned to apply for the nclex right after graduation. (i told my students to send their applications the day after graduation, when they can get their transcripts.)

    one of my students told me personally that she had passed the nclex. there are at least 2 other forum members here who have also passed the nclex. so it's possible.


    Quote from freeandsingle
    i dont understand how they were able to get a job when they still have to apply for a permit to work which will take time.
    this is what i'm wondering about too.

    the only possibility i can think of is if they have immigrant visas, in which case they don't need visascreen.

    us citizens are not allowed to take the june 2006 nle, being foreign nationals. or they could have dual citizenship.


    Quote from freeandsingle
    i know someone who graduated last year (june 2005) but was only able to sit for nclex this may and is still waiting for her permit to work.
    same with me--i graduated summer 2005, and i also took the nclex this may. :d

    it took a long time to get my eligibility.


    Quote from freeandsingle
    i know for sure that they went to the us with a tourist visa (if its true that they are already working there) because the embassy dont schedule interviews anymore and definitely dont give immigrant visas anymore.
    as i mentioned, another possibility is if they have immigrant visas or dual citizenship.


    Quote from freeandsingle
    but they still need to get a visascreen and apply for i-485 and i-140 even if they are already there.
    if they don't have immigrant visas or dual citizenship.


    Quote from freeandsingle
    they cannot work with a tourist visa forever.
    they can not work with a tourist visa ever. it's illegal.


    Quote from freeandsingle
    let's see what happens first, they get deported or.... well i cant think of anything.
    since it's been relayed to the philippine bon, and the bon is trumpeting it to everybody, then i would assume the 4 are working legally.

    otherwise i don't think the philippine bon could have access to such information.


    Quote from freeandsingle
    anyway i look at it, its very misleading. its a bull (sorry). somebody is playing with us. its either the one who released the report or the one who wrote the news.
    the crux of the matter.

    this is what i would like my students to learn, to have critical thinking when reading such news articles.

    this sounds like another press release to counter the cgfns news on the visascreen which was reported last week.

    but it gives hope, and this is why i shared it with the people here.

    i'm praying it's not false hope.
  9. by   suzanne4
    Quote from pinoy_guy
    a lot from this batch learned from the previous batches. they learned to apply for the nclex right after graduation. (i told my students to send their applications the day after graduation, when they can get their transcripts.)

    one of my students told me personally that she had passed the nclex. there are at least 2 other forum members here who have also passed the nclex. so it's possible.


    this is what i'm wondering about too.

    the only possibility i can think of is if they have immigrant visas, in which case they don't need visascreen.

    us citizens are not allowed to take the june 2006 nle, being foreign nationals. or they could have dual citizenship.


    same with me--i graduated summer 2005, and i also took the nclex this may. :d

    it took a long time to get my eligibility.


    as i mentioned, another possibility is if they have immigrant visas or dual citizenship.


    if they don't have immigrant visas or dual citizenship.


    they can not work with a tourist visa ever. it's illegal.


    since it's been relayed to the philippine bon, and the bon is trumpeting it to everybody, then i would assume the 4 are working legally.

    otherwise i don't think the philippine bon could have access to such information.


    the crux of the matter.

    this is what i would like my students to learn, to have critical thinking when reading such news articles.

    this sounds like another press release to counter the cgfns news on the visascreen which was reported last week.

    but it gives hope, and this is why i shared it with the people here.

    i'm praying it's not false hope.
    something very fishy here. first, how in the world are they soon to join others in the us? not one that took the exam this summer has made it thru the immigration process, and that is a known fact. calculate in the time that is normally takes when there are no issues and none do it in four to five months time. they have passed the nclex exam and have a job offer.
    period. there is not even any word there that they have a visa screen certificate, remember that it is not needed until the interview with the us embassy. chances are that some of them have not even taken their english exams yet.

    and here is just another example how things get changed or exaggerated to fit the need. passing nclex exam does not give automatic right to work in the us. and none have gone thru any other process as of yet........
    and with the retrogression, what do they mean by soon?

    sorry, but i find articles like this more destructive than anything else. it is saying, pass the nclex and you too can be in the us working.

    bunch of garbage that we all hear over and over again. suggest that you ask the author of that article about immigration and working in the us, and they probably have no clue at all.

    and the students of pinoy guy took the nclex because they submitted their application well before the time that the nle was even offered. so that got them around the issues also, they did not apply after the exam was given.
  10. by   pinoy_guy
    some news articles affected students might want to read.

    nurse tests goes before high court
    http://www.manilastandardtoday.com/?...ews3_nov4_2006

    the appellate court's ruling "sets a frightening precedent for all board examinations where examinees can become doctors, nurses, engineers or teachers by cheating so long as such cheating is not widespread and so long as the cheaters cannot be identified," the petitioners said.

    retake backers bring fight to sc
    http://www.manilatimes.net/national/...61104opi6.html

    the groups insisted that all passers in the june 2006 nursing licensure exams should take tests 3 and 5 again. they said the supreme court should revoke the licenses of the board passers who will fail the retake.

    . . .

    in a statement it issued to the media friday, the petitioners said the court of appeals "thought it proper to ignore the cheating, order the issuance of licenses to every examinee, whether a cheat or not, and trust to future investigations the elimination of the wolf that got into the sheep's fold."
    . . .
    "just like everyone concerned, we desire immediate and permanent closure of this controversy so that everybody can move on. we believe, however, that it can only be obtained if cheating is resolutely addressed in line with the need to restore the integrity of the nurse licensure examinations," they said.

    nursing groups take oath-taking battle to supreme court
    http://www.bworldonline.com/bw110406/content.php?id=071

    the petitioners said the court of appeals had ignored the reported widespread cheating, and instead left it to the executive department to cancel the licenses of those found in the future to have gained from the leak. they prayed for the high court to stop the oath taking of the nursing students who passed the june exams, to order a nationwide retake of tests 3 and 5 and to void the oaths and licenses of examinees who fail the retake. this, they said, would restore confidence in the health care sector.

    the statement from the petitioners. you can text them or call them up as they attached their phone numbers in the full text of the article. just click the link.

    statement of nurses standing up for integrity
    http://www.manilatimes.net/national/...61104opi6.html

    the june 11 and 12 nursing licensure exam controversy is far from over. the pronouncement of cgfns deferring the visa screening application of batch 2006 board "passers" underscores the magnitude of the mess resulting in prc's mishandling of the test leakage.

    labor secretary arturo brion's pronouncement that there are "a lot of aberrations in the computation of grades of the examinees" is equally disturbing.

    . . .we respectfully ask the high court: the annulment of resolution number 31 of prc-bon for reasons stated in the petition; retaking of the examination in test 3 and 5 of the june 11 and 12, 2006, nursing licensure exam; and declaring null and void the oaths and the licenses of examinees who fail such examination should a retake be ordered.

    we take this opportunity to call on the resignation of all prc commissioners, headed by leonor tripon-rosero.

    the news article with the most information on the issue.

    sc urged to void nurse oath-taking
    http://www.philstar.com/philstar/news200611040404.htm

    . . .the prc swore in yesterday the five new examiners of the board of nursing (bon).

    they are: carmencita abaquin, chairman; and leonila faire, perla po, betty merritt and marco antonio sto. tomas, members.

    . . .

    "the preliminary investigation that we (nbi) are going to conduct has nothing to do with the petition filed by the faculty members of the nursing school of the university of sto. tomas before the supreme court," he said.

    "the sc case has something to do with the oath taking and the investigation on students who benefited from the leakage. but ours involved the source of the leakage and what will be their criminal culpability."

    . . .

    navera said bucud was the one identified by university of the philippines nursing professor cora annonueva as the one who faxed the 18-page manuscript from baguio to manila to the ray a. gapuz review center.

    . . .

    in a 22-page complaint filed through the nbi anti-fraud and computer crimes division, regional director efren meneses jr. said the gapuz, inress and pentagon review centers were the source of the leakage of questionnaires in the 2006 nursing licensure exams.

    . . .

    there is sufficient evidence to establish that inress and gapuz review centers have much to do with the proliferation of the leakage, he added.

    mantaring said prior to the nursing licensure examinations, review materials that contained actual questions in the examinations were circulated in baguio city and used mostly by reviewees from the gapuz review center.

    "testament to the propensity of such circulation is the fact that the materials have been rampantly reproduced in just about any photocopying shops in the streets of baguio to the point that it is not a far-fetched idea that even non-gapuz reviewees may have availed of (them) as well," he said.
    i would like to point out that they want the retake only for tests 3 & 5.

    nobody is considering what cgfns implied, a complete retake.

    it's possible these retake people will win, the licenses revoked, and the examinees retake tests 3 & 5...but still the examinees can not get their visascreen certificates.

    the nbi report also states how the leak got to gapuz manila: it was faxed to the gapuz review center.

    bottomline: gapuz got the leak (implicating all gapuz reviewees), baguio examinees are presumed to have gotten the leak (due to the rampant photocopying of the leak in baguio).

    so it's possible gapuz reviewers, and baguio examinees, will have to retake tests 3 & 5--if malacaňan will act on this report.

    revocation of the philippine rn licenses is a given.

    i wonder how the license-revoked people will take that.
  11. by   RNHawaii34
    [quote=pinoy_guy]new nursing grads get jobs in us, uae, uk, australia
    http://newsinfo.inq7.net/inquirerhea...ticle_id=30314

    at least 4 members of this batch had been accepted by one or more us hospitals.


    it didn't make sense that these people took the nle in june 2006, passed nclex-rn and get hired here in the u.s. so soon. that's not possible. i graduated in october 2005, applied for nclexrn in january, got my att in may, passed nclexrn in june, but i got hired only in late aug. 2006..there are so many process that i had to go through to get my rn license, with the waiting period and everything..so, i don't beleive that the news is valid. whoever published that, you are very irresponsible, pls. get your all of your facts straight, don't write anything without any proof. you are giving these already confused, battered, new grads who worked their buns off for 4 years a false hope! :angryfire
    Last edit by RNHawaii34 on Nov 3, '06
  12. by   pinoy_guy
    Quote from rnhawaii34
    it didn't make sense that these people took the nle in june 2006, passed nclex-rn and get hired here in the u.s. so soon. that's not possible. i graduated in october 2005, applied for nclexrn in january, got my att in may, passed nclexrn in june, but i got hired only in late aug. 2006..there are so many process that i had to go through to get my rn license, with the waiting period and everything..so, i don't beleive that the news is valid. whoever published that, you are very irresponsible, pls. get your all of your facts straight, don't write anything without any proof. you are giving these already confused, battered, new grads who worked their buns off for 4 years a false hope! :angryfire
    umm...

    among 20 new nurses monitored by the professional regulation commission's board of nursing (bon), at least four of them had already passed the national council licensure examination (nclex) and are set to join four compatriots now employed in hospitals in the united states.

    ten more june passers are working in dubai, the united arab emirates, while others have been hired in australia and the united kingdom, according to eufemia octaviano, who resigned as bon chair together with four other board members in the aftermath of the nursing exam scandal.

    "we're happy that they have moved on," octaviano told the inquirer yesterday.
    the information came from the prc bon. from the previous chair of the bon, ms. octaviano, who's one of the shining pillars of philippine nursing to have gotten that distinguished position.

    i don't think she would lie to the press people, after the leakage fiasco.

    as i surmised, the 4 might have had immigrant visas already, that's why they were said to already be working in us hospitals.


    Quote from suzanne4
    bunch of garbage that we all hear over and over again. suggest that you ask the author of that article about immigration and working in the us, and they probably have no clue at all.
    i had the chance to talk to ms. octaviano last year...and yes, she did not have a clue about immigration & working in the us.

    we were begging her to allow us to register coz we wanted to take the earliest possible cgfns cp exam.

    sigh.

    our requests were denied.
  13. by   RNHawaii34
    Quote from pinoy_guy
    umm...



    the information came from the PRC BON. from the previous chair of the BON, Ms. Octaviano, who's one of the shining pillars of Philippine Nursing to have gotten that distinguished position.

    I don't think she would lie to the press people, after the Leakage fiasco.

    as I surmised, the 4 might have had Immigrant Visas already, that's why they were said to already be working in US hospitals.



    I had the chance to talk to Ms. Octaviano last year...and yes, she did not have a clue about immigration & working in the US.

    we were begging her to allow us to register coz we wanted to take the earliest possible CGFNS CP exam.

    sigh.

    our requests were denied.
    that's still not possible. wether they have visas or not, no way you can take nle, and passed nclex-rn and get hired here in the U.S. for only 5 months? come on! this is too much!!

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