the american national council of state boards of nursing has rejected president gloria macapagal arroyo's request to include the philippines as an accredited venue of the united states licensure exam for foreign nurses.
mrs. arroyo met with the council's president, faith fields, and associate executive director dr. casey marks yesterday to brief them on what was being done to address the leak of test questions during the june board exams for nurses.
but they told the president that the philippines--up for consideration as a venue before the scandal--would have to wait "some time" before its application could be taken up again.
"some time needs to pass, and that is definitely after a final decision is made clear," fields said in an interview after the meeting.
"i think the entire nursing world is looking at what your action will be. we are very interested to see how you handle the crisis... you don't want to waste opportunity to make your own system better."
commission on filipinos overseas chairman dante ang said the president was told that some 14 states in the us did not want to reconsider the philippines' application as an accredited testing center after the june test leaks.
this post is not meant to incite arguments, but to inform.
the leakage issue had, and is continuing to have, an international effect.
I'm not familiar for the req'ts for the SSN but some people I know that are already in the US claims to to be able to get a SSN and supposedly able to start to work just base on that.
I think some people were able to get by because of a loophole somewhere.
If this continues, I wouldn't be surprised if USCIS will soon require again that a visascreen cert. be submitted just to file for the I-140 petition. This is really how it is supposed to be if we can remember but USCIS relaxed this requirement and agreed to let the VSC be submitted to-follow.
Now, this relaxed policy is obviously being abused and their is really no logistics excuse for not being able to get the VSC anymore. CGFNS and ICHP are now fully using courier service to give their certificates.
ICHP actually started doing this (courier) months ago. CGFNS, likewise gives the results very quickly nowadays unlike before where it took them months just to release the results. So, no more excuse as far as an applicant not able to get their certificate from CGFNS or ICHP on time.
And besides, the bottomline is: no VSC certificate --> can't stay in the U.S. for long.
I hope it is already clear that passing the NCLEX-RN exam or having your US nursing license does not guarantee that one can work legally in the US. It means absolutely nothing if one doesn't have the legal means to work and stay in the U.S. on a valid visa.
We understand that their are certain BON that do not require the SSN to give you the license and some only require a waiver, such as Oregon, AZ, etc.. Having the license means absolutely nothing. If having a US nursing license and having a job offer is all that matters then what's the VSC for? Why go through w/ the I-140 petition (AOS or CP) if this is the case?
Even persons who already have their EAD are not out of the woods yet. If their petition was denied or even when it was approved already and later revoked; that EAD is revoked as well. Why would someone be temporarily given a permission to work if the petition was already denied or revoked?? This is the same as someone who filed their I-140 and I-485 concurrently. If the I-140 was denied then the I-485 (AOS) is automatically denied as well.
Remember, even persons who already have their greencards can still be deported if it was later found out that their was fraud committed in obtaining it.
and look closely at what that person stated, the four or so passed the nclex-rn and were to join their friends soon in the us.
they key thing is that passing the nclex-rn does not automatically guarantee that you will be in the us working, there is no mention that they went thru the ummugration process, nor even have a valid visa screen certificate.
sorry, but the person that made that statement is clueless, and has never been to the us either. i am sure of that, nor do they know anything about immigration.
and as i keep stating:
working in the us is a privilege, it is not a right.
passing the nclex-rn exam is not an automatic guarantee that the nurse will be permitted to work in the us.
until you can show me actual proof that those nurses are now in the us working or have received a visa screen certificate, i will not believe one word of it, nor should any of you.
getting very tired of all of these lies and lies and lies that keep getting made and the writers that potentiate all of it.
facts are facts:
1. not one vsc has been issued to anyone that has taken the june, 2006 nle exam.
2. immigration takes more than a few months, ask anyone that is here and has gone thru the process.
3. if they got a job offer and had the i-140 submitted, they would not even have approval of that as of yet.
4. and if they did not already have an interview with a date set, then they do not have a visa and will be behind the retrogression.
sorry, but i have major issues with garbage that comes out like this.:angryfire
and this is to the writers of junk like this.
check your facts first, and be able to substantiate them.
Social Security Numbers are issued when the nurse has been given permission to work in the US and is in the US and applies for the number in person.
It is never done by mail, and never when you are still overseas. You must show proof that you can work in the US and have a document to show for it. Just being in the US on a tourist visa, is just that. It permits you to travel in the US, it does not permit you to work.
I sympathize with the 2006 takers because it's not a big joke going through endless preparation let alone the number of years you painstakingly labored to complete the course only to find out that all you get is a revoked license:angryfire , believe me its more than maddening especially those who passed without the benefit of a "leakage", so to speak! However... much as we hated it, integritywise, the only REAL CHOICE we have is TO DO THE RETAKE, be it Test 3 and 5. Come to think of it, nothing beats a controversial-free license.
Well, I am sure it will cause more disussion but this seems to be yet another problem with foreign trained nurses..my issue is with language barriers...they say they have to speak acceptable English but I find it generally to be very limited and dangerous in pratice. Many foreign nurses then insist on speaking their language amongst themselves on the floor, really alienting staff and patients. Dont know the solution, but when I interview for a position and see alot of foreign nurses on the floor I head the other way. Recruiters say hospitals LOVE them because they work all kinds of hours and dont care about unions and overtiem. They are weakening the negotiating power of our own nurses. I hope someone wakes up soon.
Well, I am sure it will cause more disussion but this seems to be yet another problem with foreign trained nurses..my issue is with language barriers...they say they have to speak acceptable English but I find it generally to be very limited and dangerous in pratice. Many foreign nurses then insist on speaking their language amongst themselves on the floor, really alienting staff and patients. Dont know the solution, but when I interview for a position and see alot of foreign nurses on the floor I head the other way. Recruiters say hospitals LOVE them because they work all kinds of hours and dont care about unions and overtiem. They are weakening the negotiating power of our own nurses. I hope someone wakes up soon.
Mixyplixy--you are spot on with your comments! Living here in Miami, I see this Langauge barrier daily and its a HUGE Problem! What I would also like to see is in addition to a Written test for Foreign Nurses, they should be tested here in the USA in the 15 Clinical Areas that a US Nurse must be proficient in before he/she can sit for their Nursing Boards. I have seen way TOO many foreign Nurses here who were NOT familiar and/or not proficient with our clinical practice, be it sterile field, wound dressing ect. This should never be,,,,BTW, here in Miami unless you are Bilingual in English and Spanish, in South Miami, you probably will not be able to work. Hard to believe but true,,,,
I read the whole thread, if a June 2006 passer reads this thread, lets admit,it is very upsetting. But I believe the decision to retake the exam is a very personal decision, with a lot of factors to be considered, not only working abroad or getting a US Green Card, good news, bad news etc. Maybe a June 2006 passer can sit down, really think and ask himself: why did I take up Nursing? As a true professional, the honest answer to this question will lead all June 2006 passers to do the honorable thing. Give them time to think about it. Anyway, Suzanne said there is a retrogression, so whats the big hurry? No one is going anywhere right now. If a Visa Screen Certificate is denied, then they will re-take and, I am sure, Pass the NLE without cheating, the NLE is very easy compared to the NCLEX-RN. Our country( and the US,too) has been through scandals and scams, we always find out that the best thing is to do what is MORALLY RIGHT. I am still hopeful, the guilty ones who really cheated will eventually pay for it and maybe even lose their licenses. Then they can never practice Nursing(or own Nursing schools-shame on you!- and Nursing Review Centers) here in the Philippines or anywhere else. I am watching what the NBI and the Courts will do to the owners/staff members of the Nursing Review Centers involved in the leakage. If these people go scot free, then I am on a jetplane out of this country, RN or not. (Hey they're hiring 2,000 welders for Australia!!)...anyway, give these colleagues a break, they 've been through so much. Enough already..
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People can certainly discuss issues and it doesn't matter what your stand is so long as everything doesn't become too personal or emotional.
lawrence01
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I 2nd what Suzanne said.
I'm not familiar for the req'ts for the SSN but some people I know that are already in the US claims to to be able to get a SSN and supposedly able to start to work just base on that.
I think some people were able to get by because of a loophole somewhere.
If this continues, I wouldn't be surprised if USCIS will soon require again that a visascreen cert. be submitted just to file for the I-140 petition. This is really how it is supposed to be if we can remember but USCIS relaxed this requirement and agreed to let the VSC be submitted to-follow.
Now, this relaxed policy is obviously being abused and their is really no logistics excuse for not being able to get the VSC anymore. CGFNS and ICHP are now fully using courier service to give their certificates.
ICHP actually started doing this (courier) months ago. CGFNS, likewise gives the results very quickly nowadays unlike before where it took them months just to release the results. So, no more excuse as far as an applicant not able to get their certificate from CGFNS or ICHP on time.
And besides, the bottomline is: no VSC certificate --> can't stay in the U.S. for long.