Nursing is pathetic... - page 8
It's to bad you feel this way I work in the E.R.and am constantly exposed to hiv, hepatitis,and a host of other diseases you can protect yourself. Why did you really go into nursing ws it for the... Read More
Apr 14, '00I think nursedude should find an area of nursing that is appropriate for his needs. There are so many areas of nursing and if you find the right one, you can be totally happy. Yes, plumbers and electricians make a lot of money, but they also own their own businesses and the money they make is directly related to the time they spend working. If they are sick they do not get paid, they have alot of expensive overhead, they have insurance to pay out of their own pockets, if they have employees, then they have to pay workman's comp and social security, etc... there are pros and cons of have freedom to work on your own. If Nurse dude wants to work alone, then he could go to Nurse Practioner school and and open a clinic. or something with a little more feedom. Nursing pay varies from state to state and personally , I happy with my current job and its rate of pay.
Apr 15, '00Nursedude take a break from nursing!
Yes I would recommend nursing as a career but I would be sure to mention the positive and negative sides to this career.
I deal with the stress and frustrations of a busy Trauma ICU every day and find my relief from it all is to make the most of my days off. When it becomes overwhelming I take a travel assigment somewhere else for a while. Right now I am working at the same hospital but as a agency nurse so I have a little more freedom over my schedule.
Apr 17, '00Originally posted by jaded:
Hey Nursedude- You'll be happy to know that I agree with you 100%. Nursing has pretty much ruined my life. The first couple of years out of I still had the bright idea that I was going to save the world. Yeh right! I got slapped in the face with reality. I am an ER nurse which means I spend most of my days taking care of welfare system abusers, drug seekers, drunks and dirty snot nosed kids who don't have a chance in hell because their parents don't have the sense that God gave them. On top of all this these menaces to society treat me like I'm there to be their personal servant. Sound harsh? Well it's reality. I'd give anything to go back to the naive days of thinking that I could save people from this cruel world. I have no sympathy for these people that don't help themselves. Then you add to that the already discussed topics of getting paid squat to be a verbal(and sometimes physical) punching bag for ungrateful patients, administration and other disgruntled staff, the daily exposure to deadly diseases and the crappy hours. I don't even make enough money to pay back all of the student loans that I racked up to be a nurse. Probably the reason you ruffled so many feathers with your letters is because the majority of nurses who sit at home and access nursing web sites are the ones who are still in fantasy land and enjoy being taken advantage of. Like you said, it's a female thing to think it's a normal part of life to get walked on. I just happened to stumble on to this as I was using the web to search for ways to put my medical knowledge to work without being in the patient care rat race. I know all of this sounds harsh but I'm fed up. We are all being taken advantage of and disrespected whether you martyrs want to admit it or not.
Apr 20, '00I have felt the way nurse dude has and i have felt the way that mirn has. Its all part of nursing. I am one of 6 children--I have always found it interesting that my parents produced so many college educated children one has his doctorate and one her master's and all but one of us are in service professions. My siblings include 3 teachers and a professional girl scout--yes there are professional boyscouts too. I am proud to be a nurse and i say it with pride but there are pathetic things about our profession and i tell people who are thinking about it the advantages and the disadvantages--it's hard work physically, emotionally and mentally. I have been harassed sexually, physically and verbally by patients physcians and other nurses.
But it affords me a lot of satisfaction most of the time.
But one thing I want to address is the misconception that this is a second or lesser income for most of us--it is not in my case and in the case of a lot of my coworkers. I make almost double what my husband does, have excellent benefits compared to his and have never had trouble finding a job. He was out of work for 2 years after his MI cause he couldn't go back to his construction job, and the job market was terrible--the only jobs he was offered were for minimum wage and he was offered them because the Bureau of Vocational Rehab
would pay part of his salarty for hiring him.
We had 2 preschoolers at the time and would have realized less than a dollar and hr after day care. He babysat a couple neighbor's children and i worked a lot of overtime. I ave worked with a lot of single moms who have no support from ex spouses. I have worked with a lot of nurses who were male with stay at home wives. This is not a second income this is frequently the major income or the only income. Also I have worked with a lot of nurses who worked for the benefits because their spouses employers offered no or poor health insurance. I am always apalled that people think this is a second income.
I would not encourage any one to go into nursing without a lot of thought and condsideration of all the ramifications of the profession--the hours can be atrocious, the weekend and holday issues can be deveastating in terms of family things. I have had to miss many impromptu fmily gatherings over the years and it does cause some resntment of both the job and my family
Al those teachers have holidays and weekends off.
I would not switch professions for alll the money in the world I am proud to be a nurse. But i get frustrated by the amount we get paid for being some many things all the time to so many people--Think about what we do in the course of the day we are really the CEO of our patients life and well being.
We are responsible for coordinating so many differnt people and procedures and all their care. And i didn't encourage any of my daughters to go into nursing but like my brothers and sisters my children are more interseted in service professions than money professions one wants to be an elementaty teacher, one wants to work with pre schoolers or handicapped children and the other wants to teach she just isn't sure what yet.
There are a lot of ways to be a success in this world and not all of them are meassured in money....I consider myself lucky that i decided on this but like some other respondents here i don't like my job very much a lot of the time--It is very difficult and it has to be accomplished despite a lot of obstacles.
this is fille dwith a lot of ambivvalent feelings something that i think all nurses feel. there is something wrong when we have so much trouble keeping nurses at the bedside. but that is another bulletin board entirely.
Apr 20, '00NurseDude....
Thanks for your posts. You are only verbalizing what others whisper. I'm an RN who absolutely loves being a nurse. My pay is $17.50/hr.; paperwork eats me alive. Bedside nursing suffers-as others have written- because we're expected to get everything done or else explain why we had so much overtime. I'm awake many nights thinking about a dying patient that I wish I could have spent more time with, or wondering if I said the right thing to a family member. My kids complain that I never want to do anything fun with them because I come home with my butt dragging 10 feet behind me. I often think of getting out of this profession for awhile, but I really can't think of anything I'd rather do, besides be independantly wealthy.
As far as other posts about the back biting between nurses, one of my professors told us that Nursing is the only profession where we eat our young. Personally, I'm one to say something to someone's face, rather than behind their backs. It all depends on how you put it.
Again, I take no offense from your opinions. They're very refreshing to read, and sure got this board hopping!
Apr 25, '00Wow!!! Lots of strong opinions. I try to live by one rule that I feel can help you keep on an even keel. EITHER ACCEPT IT OR CHANGE IT. By accept it, that means no ********, work with it and get on with your life. If you can't do that, then you have to change it, be it change jobs or get in there and try to do something about it. Just sitting around ******** about it doesn't do any good.
Would I recommend nursing as a career? No. Don't get me wrong, I love nursing and I am good at it. Our hospital isn't too bad, at least in our ICU. Sometimes you work your butt off, but I still feel we give good care and sometimes do have the time to talk to the patients, teaching, consoling, etc. The things most of us envisioned. And I don't think our pay is too bad. I went to school for 2 years, and if I worked full time would make $40-45,000. That isn't that bad. Been a nurse for 15 years.
But.....I have already told my daughter I don't want her to be a nurse. I want her to have a regular life. No night shifts or evenings. No holidays or weekends. No getting yelled at frequently because the doctor had a bad night. No skipping lunch almost every day and one pee break a day. No concern about getting a disease from work.
No bad backs from moving 500# people in bed. No getting thrown up on and hit by drunks. These are some of the reasons I wouldn't recommend nursing as a career.
But as I said, I love what I do, but at times I hate it!! I don't mind some of the above, I can accept it because I know I can't change it. I have more important things to worry about in my life. And I feel good when a patient or family hugs me and tells me thank you. When I can help bring a life into this world and also help them pass to the next, or keep them from passing into the next world.. So for all of you who don't like nursing, it is OK. But don't call what I do pathetic. It is pretty great sometimes. Except the barf on the shoes!!!!! (well, on the docs shoes, "it is a good thing"
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Apr 26, '00Hi all. I am also new to this so here goes! Would I encourage anyone to be a nurse? Not without first giving long thought to it! I have only been a nurse for 5 years and many a time I have thought "Why did I do this to myself?" Rewarding? Most the time not but still we all have the one or two patients that we have touched the way that only a nurse can touch them. I too am swallowed each shift by the moutain of paper work that consumes us and our time, but I have adopted the theory that patient CARE must always come first! When backed in to the corner by managers and the such Patient care is something they can not agrue against! Right now the push at the Hospital I work at is Press Ganey scores and believe me without nurses giving nursing care those scores would fall. To recommend nursing as a career the person must understand the thank yous are not what its about most of what we do is just the little "human" things.
Nursing can be and is what you make of it! I love my job but know that is not for everyone.
Apr 27, '00I have been a BSN for 3 years. I have been through periods of burnout and stress just like every other nurse out there. I think whether or not I would recommend nursing would depend on what the person asking me was looking for. If someone is looking for steady work, something that is challenging and will keep you thinking, nursing is the career. If someone is looking for a lot of money, this is definitely not the job!
As for all the burned out nurses out there, it sounds like you need to get control over your nursing practice. No matter what arena you are employed, this is your own individual nursing practice.This is health care, teaching, nursing care as you decide. You have the power to educate, enlighten in whatever arena you are employed.
Apr 27, '00NurseDude-
When I first read your posting (a long time ago)I thought exactly what everyone else was saying..."why did you go into nursing?". But your more recent postings clarify the issue, and seem to reflect my own thoughts. I am a recent grad, about to finish my first month on a medical floor. All I say now is "Oh my God". I was so disillusioned in school...it almost seems like a trap...they give you 1 or 2 patients while a student, take you away from the floor for an hr for "lunch and conference", keep you away from all the politics involved, and woo you into the field! Reality is, you have 10 pts (or more), tons of paperwork, maybe a bathroom and lunch break if you're lucky, and many times have to stay after your shift ends to finish up "loose ends". I haven't even worked a full month and I'm already thinking about other avenues to follow.
I agree with you about the mentality of this mostly women's field. For some reason, the consensus is that we have to put up with this treatment. Men are more demanding, women historically and comparitively are not. We don't have a Martin Luther King, Jr. to stand up for us and shout unfair treatment. At work, the nurses complain, complain, complain...and yet they stay. I don't see anyone doing anything about it. People may ask, "why are you staying then?" Unfortunately, I invested more than 2 yrs to get this degree...I don't have training in anything else, and I know that once I "pay my dues", I can investigate other options (like you did, NurseDude). I don't have a problem working hard...as with most respected professions, you have to put in your time. But considering that there are several states with nurses on strike for unsafe staffing ratios, and laws being passed for minimal staffing, I don't think it's unreasonable to be saying that things have got to change in this profession.
And come on "ladies" (sorry to the men out there) running in and out of pt's rooms, filling out all their paperwork, not having time to really listen to them and do the nursing that you learned in school...are you all going to tell me that you're HAPPY about this?? Give me a break. I agree with NurseDude there. I think a lot of you are kidding yourselves. No wonder nursing doesn't have a unified voice.
Apr 28, '00I would NEVER want my kids to become nurses! You have it right nursedude! The line that I too have used before in these arguments is that if you aren't into getting fair pay for your work, and you think nurses who want this are just greedy, then go and volunteer! I get so sick of these martyr people saying that they are in nursing for the good feelings. We, as a profession let ourselves be totally exploited. Why? I think that it is because we have too many martyrs dictating for the rest of us what constitutes a reasonable and safe workload with the idea that they'll get a bone thrown their way for never complaining.
To the RN in Ontario Canada, I have a question as I am thinking seriously about coming back home to work and I am from there. How often do you go without your scheduled breaks at work? How often do you not get to take your lunch break? I am not being sarcastic, but I am seriously wanting the opinion of someone who is there. I can tell you that if you are looking for full time then by all means come here. But if you are looking for a job that doesn't kill you, then stay put. I work my *** off here, and the conditions are horrendous.
To the student nurses I say, just wait! You'll see. We all started off in your shoes, full of ideas and thinking that our input meant something. We may sound like a bunch of whiners but wait and see what you are in for and how much junk they filled your heads with in that is unrealistic in the real job you are in. It is sad but quite true.
Apr 28, '00Ok, try this for size. I have been an RN in a NICU at Good Samaritan Hosp. in Los Angeles for 11 yrs. Because of poor management and other problems, like money disappearing, the hospital has been in financial difficulties for the last 6 yrs. Well after 3 tries to unionize we finally did with the California Nursing Association in Dec of 1998. After trying to negiotiate a contract for a year the bargaining broke down and the union threatened to strike. The chairman of the board of directors, Charles Munger (worth conservatively 1.6 billion) decided that he didn't want to play anymore and changed the game to hardball. He decided that if the union issued a strike notice the hospital would close the NICU. His reasoning, because they wouldn't be able to find nurses to take care of those little babies in the event of a strike so to avert any problems they would close the NICU permanantly. The Union told them if that was the way it was going to be they would issue a notice exempting the NICU nurses from this strike and any other strikes. The hospital stated that the union could always change its mind and that if the union issued a strike notice they would close anyway. They also said if the union issued a second strike notice, the hospital would close. Now mind you the union was only calling for a one day strike not an open ended strike. The hospital didn't want to bargain anymore so the strike notice was issued and the NICU closed, mind you there was 2 mothers who refused to sign a transport consent so those babies are still there being cared for by nurses who were against unions and were hired by the OB dept. for what they have called a resuscitation team, 3 of the nurses on this team were not certified for transports and 2 hadn't even gone to the delivery room before this. One of the day shift nurses has practically worked the last 3 weeks straight because no one else but her could transport sick babies. All the high risk OB's are taking their business elsewhere and the hospital now has found out how important it is if you want to have a Perinatal Center without an NICU they aren't going to stay in business. In the mean time I am in the position of looking for another job.
Apr 30, '00First off, I'd just like to say that I love this bulletin board. I've been an RN for 2 years now, 1+ yr. med/surg telemetry 7p-7:30a with 11 monitored pts. every night (1 aide), and 7 months in the CCU. I transferred off the floor as soon as I could. To say it was a horror is putting it mildly. Never once did I get a lunch break or a break of any kind, and I routinely worked 1/2-1+ hrs over my shift for which I was never paid. That meant that every night I worked it was a 13-14 hour lock-down. Also, as I work at a cardiac-only factory (oops, did I say factory, I meant hospital), my 11 monitored pts. were very, very acute. Alot of class IV CHFers, EFs of 10-15% with dopa/dobutrex drips; post CAGBs 12-18 hours out with chest tubes and pacing wires; post-stents with arterial sheaths in place; post-MIs; everyone with Nitro/heparin gtts hanging; almost all with severe triple-vessel disease, etc. etc. Talk about stress! When I transferred to CCU, I thought the workload would be more manageable. However, in this hospital, the nurse pt. ratio is 1:3 and the acuity is through the roof. We are talking unstable, vented and swanned. 1 aide for 20 beds. I earn $25.12/hr + $2.31 night diff. And, although I do believe nurses are underpaid generally, I would GLADLY take a cut in pay for a more reasonable workload. In my opinion, what's the point of them paying us more if they're expecting us to deal with this kind of workload or worse. I mean, at what other job do people work where they don't have the time to get a bite to eat in 14 hours let alone go to the bathroom, not just occasionally but every time they work. Yes, I'm there for my pts., however, I have needs too, and I'm sick of management making me feel that my having needs equates with being a "bad nurse." I've held my urine for so long I've totally destroyed my bladder and now have urge incontinence. Talk about fun, fun, fun. I believe that it's the workload in nursing, not the salary, that's pathetic.
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May 1, '00I couldn't agree with you more! Do I recommend nursing to anyone? HA! Absolutely not.
That about sums it up for me... I am a 34 year old guy and live in Pittsburgh Pa. Have been an RN for 10years. I have done the following in nursing: Cardiotharacic ICU, ER,UR, Case Management...
THe problems with nursing I have found:
1) Poor compensation- I have friends that are Registered Plumbers and registered electricians, Certified computer specialists etc. All of them make twice as much $$$ as I do- none of them have a college degree. None of them are exposed to HIV, TB, Hepatitis on a daily basis.
2) You can't really practice nursing on your own even though you are licensed- See above- The plumber, the electrician and the computer guy all work full time jobs and also do business on the side from home and make money... Did you ever practice nursing on the side? its called illegal...
3) Nurses are on the bottom of the food chain...Doctors, PA's, CRNP's, Administrators all look down on nurses- at least here in Pittsburgh they do. Nurses here are just another load on the revenue generated by hospitals...[/B][/QUOTE]