Religion, culture and nursing - page 3

Last night I was reading a thread about a Jehovah's Witness nurse. I found it fascinating! I read every single post. It got me thinking... what religions hinder full holistic nursing care? JW's have... Read More

  1. Visit  GilaRRT profile page
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    Quote from BluegrassRN
    Fair enough. It seems to me that you are being argumentative (pot, meet kettle at this point), because it seems so obvious to me what she means. Perhaps I've just known too many pagans and "natural" types.
    I lived in Afghanistan and have familiarity with the culture; however, I would not be quick to call somebody argumentative because they could not wrap their head around an Afghan cultural concept that was obvious to me but not to said person. Again, I like to know where said person in this thread draws the line so to speak. Also, why do people draw the line, what motivates them and what is their rationale for doing so?

    I lost a friend last week to cancer, he decided to quit chemotherapy and go au natural so to speak. He was tired of the therapy and against all advice, went another route. I can understand the aversion to the side effects of some of the medications, but would be interested in hearing other people's rationale.
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  3. Visit  BluegrassRN profile page
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    Quote from GilaRN
    I lived in Afghanistan and have familiarity with the culture; however, I would not be quick to call somebody argumentative because they could not wrap their head around an Afghan cultural concept that was obvious to me but not to said person.
    Well, I don't *think* I live in a place where paganism/naturalism is the dominant culture; however, it's a liberal bastion in an extremely conservative area, and I'm guessing a lot of conservatives around here would think that we're all a bunch of naked hippies dancing in the woods praying to trees carved to look suspiciously like Obama. So who knows! I did work for a long time in a somewhat alternative setting (health clinic run by CNMs, attending birth center and home births), so I probably do have more familiarity with the natural crowd than your average joe. Sorry about that.
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    Still, rather than call the poster a rude buffoon (your words), I can take them at face value and believe that they really mean no disrespect and really think the posters beliefs are utterly ridiculous, especially considering modern chemotherapy saved her life. Just as another poster called religious beliefs "wacky" or "hindering of care", etc.
    I didn't intend for it to come across as calling the poster a rude buffoon; rather, that the entire "no disrespect intended, but" + rude comment would be totally appropriate on a board full of rude buffoons trying to out-wit and one-up each other. For clarification, Nozyrozy40, I don't think you're a rude buffoon! I just took issue with the one comment.

    It seems a common theme on the boards lately, this veiled or not so veiled intolerance for others' religion (including Christianity). And it's bothered me. This particular post on this particular thread, where Sharon points out the "vitriol" on another thread, just touched a nerve and I decided to post. It's just really bothered me a lot lately, that here of all places I see a lot of religious intolerance. Nurses get exposed to a wider part of the population than the average person, and I guess I just expect that exposure in general to lead to a little more tolerance, so it's always surprising and disappointing when you see it on a forum full of people for whom you have a lot of respect.
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    Quote from BluegrassRN
    I didn't intend for it to come across as calling the poster a rude buffoon; rather, that the entire "no disrespect intended, but" + rude comment would be totally appropriate on a board full of rude buffoons trying to out-wit and one-up each other. For clarification, Nozyrozy40, I don't think you're a rude buffoon! I just took issue with the one comment.

    It seems a common theme on the boards lately, this veiled or not so veiled intolerance for others' religion (including Christianity). And it's bothered me. This particular post on this particular thread, where Sharon points out the "vitriol" on another thread, just touched a nerve and I decided to post. It's just really bothered me a lot lately, that here of all places I see a lot of religious intolerance. Nurses get exposed to a wider part of the population than the average person, and I guess I just expect that exposure in general to lead to a little more tolerance, so it's always surprising and disappointing when you see it on a forum full of people for whom you have a lot of respect.

    I understand completely what you're saying and appreciate it. I do also agree with you.

    Except I don't see it as a common theme here, but more of a sometimes thing....sometimes it's more prevalent than others....maybe it's because I have super thick skin and I'm not afraid to jump in and tell people when I'm having issues with them, that I don't think it's the dominating theme.

    Also, I understand that sometimes we're just going to have to step on each other's toes because "tolerance" means too much of a compromise of a belief system and we can't be that politically correct. But appreciate your point that there is a way to do it and a way not to.
  6. Visit  nozyrozy40 profile page
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    Truly, I did not mean any disprespect to KarmaWiseRaven. Had we been speaking face to face I would have stated.....That is utterly ridiculous to her statement of "not looking for options". If you had appendicitis would you not accept the option of an appendectomy?? Would you suffer w/ the gallstones when there are proven treatments available?? Not accept treatment for the broken hip, leg or arm because it might be "my time to go"? Would it be "my time to go" if I were diagnosed w/ diabetes?? I don't think so and I would tell someone they were ridiculous (maybe use different verbage) for not changing their diet..excercising and/or using insulin if it were appropriate.

    I'm not sure if these are the views of all Pagans or the view of just KarmaWiseRaven, but either way, I would venture to say that generally people will most often treat their ailment/illness rather than just figure it's their time to go.

    Just because you get a diagnosis of Cancer....or lung disease....or diabetes does not mean that you shouldn't seek treatment.
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    Quote from Tweety
    Still, rather than call the poster a rude buffoon (your words), I can take them at face value and believe that they really mean no disrespect and really think the posters beliefs are utterly ridiculous, especially considering modern chemotherapy saved her life. Just as another poster called religious beliefs "wacky" or "hindering of care", etc.

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    Just to set the record straight, I did not require chemo...I did however, receive 30 rounds of radiation that had horrific side effects. Never did I feel during these times, that it was "my time to go". At that time, it was part of my life and I wanted my life so I did what needed to be done. Had I been told there was nothing that could be done for me, then I would have re-evaluated things.

    More importantly, as a nurse, I would NEVER tell a patient that is was perfectly ok to just accept a diagnosis and assume that it's just "your time to go"!!!
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    Well i seem to be the topic of the day. Let introduce myself shall i. My Name is Anthony. KarmaWiseRaven is a part of my middle name. I'm 1/2 Sicilian and 1/2 Cherokee.

    I read all these post you have said about me and wow what did i do to deserve this. My beliefs (Yes) I don't know if all pagans think how i think most try to to live holistic and natural. How i think and feel is just that (what i think) Did you all read my posting? You all read it but didn't hear what i was saying funny how text is taken. Did you not read i have two Dr's one is Holistic one is Primary Care..

    Not once have i ever pushed my ways or my beliefs on any one or patient matter of fact all my family members know and my 2 Dr's is that i have a DNR and advance directives on file with them and the hospital that's it.

    I guess whats really sad is. You all who have posted and put the attention on me. You missed the real reason what the posting was really meant to be for. And i really feel sorry for you all. And shame on me shame on me for thinking i can answer a posting on Allnurses openly and honestly. I think for now on i will keep very shallow and closed minded Ty you all really TY.

    I don't think i have to explain myself to you. My posting is my posting. Did you not read (These are my thoughts use them as you wish). Take that advice. Anthony
    Last edit by KarmaWiseRaven on Nov 22, '10
  9. Visit  GilaRRT profile page
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    Quote from KarmaWiseRaven
    Well i seem to be the topic of the day. Let introduce myself shall i. My Name is Anthony. KarmaWiseRaven is a part of my middle name. I'm 1/2 Sicilian and 1/2 Cherokee.

    I read all these post you have said about me and wow what did i do to deserve this. My beliefs (Yes) I don't know if all pagans think how i think most try to to live holistic and natural. How i think and feel is just that (what i think) Did you all read my posting? You all read it but didn't hear what i was saying funny how text is taken. Did you not read i have two Dr's one is Holistic one is Primary Care..

    Not once have i ever pushed my ways or my beliefs on any one or patient matter of fact all my family members know and my 2 Dr's is that i have a DNR and advance directives on file with them and the hospital that's it.

    I guess whats really sad is. You all who have posted and put the attention on me. You missed the real reason what the posting was really meant to be for. And i really feel sorry for you all. And shame on me shame on me for thinking i can answer a posting on Allnurses openly and honestly. I think for now on i will keep very shallow and closed minded Ty you all really TY.

    I don't think i have to explain myself to you. My posting is my posting. Did you not read (These are my thoughts use them as you wish). Take that advice. Anthony
    Why take this so personally? You have presented an alternative point of view and some of us are curious as to how you derived this set of beliefs. Feel free not to explain your self; however, I would hope you would be secure enough in your belief system to discuss the rationale behind it without having to get all hurt and defensive.

    In fact, only a couple of people have actually said anything negative toward you, while the majority of us have had a discussion regarding said belief system. We may not agree and there may have been some conflict, but any good discussion will have alternative points of view and people who are willing to discuss their point of view. Sometimes, the discussion can become intense but hopefully remain respectful. Anything less would simply be boring. In fact, we have been nothing but open and honest, near as I can tell.
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  10. Visit  GilaRRT profile page
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    Quote from nozyrozy40
    Truly, I did not mean any disprespect to KarmaWiseRaven. Had we been speaking face to face I would have stated.....That is utterly ridiculous to her statement of "not looking for options". If you had appendicitis would you not accept the option of an appendectomy?? Would you suffer w/ the gallstones when there are proven treatments available?? Not accept treatment for the broken hip, leg or arm because it might be "my time to go"? Would it be "my time to go" if I were diagnosed w/ diabetes?? I don't think so and I would tell someone they were ridiculous (maybe use different verbage) for not changing their diet..excercising and/or using insulin if it were appropriate.

    I'm not sure if these are the views of all Pagans or the view of just KarmaWiseRaven, but either way, I would venture to say that generally people will most often treat their ailment/illness rather than just figure it's their time to go.

    Just because you get a diagnosis of Cancer....or lung disease....or diabetes does not mean that you shouldn't seek treatment.
    Alternatively, we are all big boys and girls here. Assuming we have been well informed of the situation, the options and the alternatives, we are free to choose.
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    Quote from KarmaWiseRaven
    I guess whats really sad is. You all who have posted and put the attention on me. You missed the real reason what the posting was really meant to be for. And i really feel sorry for you all. And shame on me shame on me for thinking i can answer a posting on Allnurses openly and honestly. I think for now on i will keep very shallow and closed minded Ty you all really TY.

    I don't think i have to explain myself to you. My posting is my posting. Did you not read (These are my thoughts use them as you wish). Take that advice. Anthony
    I think we read your post, but I think you need to re-read this thread. The one person that criticized you the most had people jump down her throat. Another poster asked for some clarification as to what you meant which you've chosen to ignore. That's two people out of an entire forum, and both of them got negative responses from members who were defending you. Don't judge an entire forum just because you got a few negative reponses.

    Rather than be closed minded and shallow why don't you take this opportunity to educate us. I love hearing about alternative lifestyles.
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    Quote from GilaRN
    Alternatively, we are all big boys and girls here. Assuming we have been well informed of the situation, the options and the alternatives, we are free to choose.
    Exactly.

    Still, when a simple procedure would save someone's life (I remember the case of a 27 year old male that slowly bleed to death over the course of a week from a GIB), it's understandable that there are those of us whom think it's wrong, wacky and ridiculous and a total tragedy....even though we know they are perfectly within their rights to make that choice. No need to shoot us down for saying what we feel.
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    I can understand someone choosing not to have chemo. On the "specialty" site, under "oncology" the question was asked "If you had cancer, would you take chemo?" or something along that line, and I said I would not, not for religious reasons, but mostly personal preference due to my life's circumstances. I don't expect others to approve of that choice or necessarily understand it. I do expect to be respected for making the decision that is right for me, one that was made a long time ago with careful thought.
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    Definately you should be respected for your choice.

    I would personally think long and hard about chemo myself and would not do palliative chemo. I would do chemo that stood a reasonable chance at curing, and then I would include some alternatives for detox..........
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