Work ethic, what's your take on it all - page 3
Well, I work on a busy cardiac floor. It seems to me too many people call in sick. One girl she calls in at least once a week. Why the hec is management allowing this? I feel it's really non of my... Read More
11Quote from tokmomRight there is where you went wrong. You have no authority (nor need) to ask them what is wrong, unless you're their PCP and they're seeking medical advice. In fact, it's none of the employers business. What if she had a herpes outbreak or was suffering from AIDS? Does she need to tell you that, simply because you're now obligated to find someone to cover your staffing?The other day I took a phone call that went like this:
Me: Floor XYZ, can I help you?
Nurse: Oh hi Tokmom, this is Suzy. I need to call in sick. (this is an almost weekly event)
Me: So what is wrong Suzy? Are you still sick from last week?
All you need to know is that she's not going to be there, and you need to start looking for a replacement. If she's in violation of the company attendance policy, start documentation. But quit prying into people's personal health business. And I know you probably don't think she was sick enough to miss work, but newsflash: That's not within your purview either.
3Quote from tokmomThat YOU are aware of, with limited knowledge I'm sure.The other has no excuse
3Quote from orthonurse55That YOU are aware of, with limited knowledge I'm sure.I worked with a habitual "sick" person and was very frustrated that management never even talked to her about it.
Jesus, I'm glad I don't work with a bunch of busybody nurses that try to run everyone's lives.
11Jan 19, '12 by Anna Flaxis, ASNIf I call in sick, it's really none of anyone's business why. All you need to know is that I'm not going to be there, period. If I am in violation of the attendance policy, it is up to my manager to address it.
As for "work ethic", my loyalty is to the people I care for while at my place of employment, not to the company to which I am a work-horse, expendable, and don't feel valued by. If I can't show up and be at my best for the patients because I'm coughing up a lung or having a migraine, then I shouldn't be there.
0Jan 19, '12 by 2mint, ADN, RNOP, you have a strong work ethic and a high standard of yourself. I used to work in a non-medical field where I have co-workers who actually bragged about their routine duties to the supervisor. To me that was just too perplexing--they didn't do anything above and beyond the call of duty...I digress.
The point is, you need to get acquainted w/ "The Prince." Yes, it's very "Machiavellian" (it should be), but it exposes me to a world that I never knew existed (a little background: I have no street-smarts at all).
It can be read freely on the web.
5Jan 19, '12 by vanburbianQuote from ~*Stargazer*~Exactly.If I call in sick, it's really none of anyone's business why. All you need to know is that I'm not going to be there, period......
I used to be one of those who showed up while not feeling well, but after seeing how I, and other loyal staff members could be treated so poorly by management?
My "sick time" is earned, it is considered a benefit, and considering the ever shrinking benefit packages we're doled out, I will use it.
Seen too many layoffs, RIF's, restructures, reorganizations, and down right terminations where those "loyal" show up to work no matter what people were robbed.
And, again- why I call in is my business alone. All anyone needs to know is I am taking the day off, period.
1Jan 19, '12 by Mom To 4, DNP-FNP, DNPWhere I work they always ask why we aren't coming in as well. In fact there is a form that is supposed to be filled out by the Charge Rn and sent to occupational health. I suppose it is to make sure it isn't something other employees could have come in contact with etc. In my opinion it is none of their darn business.
Also, I have 4 children and if I call out a few times in month it is quite possible it was passed around through my whole house. Not that I owe you or anyone else an explanantion. We have all had to work short and call others to come in. Unfortunately, it is part of floor nursing. Co-workers are co-workers not people that I share everything in my life with.
1Jan 19, '12 by LoveMyBugsI'am reading this thread now because I called off. Thankfully I work for an employer that dosn't want us there when we are sick. They don't ask why, they just note that you won't be there. I did work for an employer that would ask symptoms but that was because they were tracking a bug that hit the whole hospital and we would have to cleared by employee health before allowed back to work.
2Jan 19, '12 by ANurseDividedI am like you. I only call off when I REALLY need to and even then I am stressing about the fact that I have left my coworkers one nurse short. But there are many nurses who have no problem doing that.
I used to really get upset at people when they would do that. I mean I think that I was getting mad them because they choose to not practice the way that I do. Should I get mad at someone because their work ethic is not like mine? I truly feel that management needs to deal with these people but for some reason, management has gotten soft about situations like this which are truly important...I mean that effects patient care. But then on the other hand they will fire someone because they went onto a forbidden website at work or followed someone out of the parking garage without paying (I know that is considered stealing but you get what I am saying).
I just think that people are more and more selfish and they do not think about how their actions affect another. I really feel that is something that is instilled in you at a young age. It can be taught but sometimes it is difficult to teach a old dog new tricks so to speak.
1Jan 20, '12 by Not_A_Hat_Person, RNI hate it when people call out frivolously. Yes, things happen. I'd never called out on my current job until about 3 months ago, when all kinds of stuff happened, including both of my parents dying in a 6-week span. However, some people blatantly abuse call-outs.
In a previous job, one co-worker frequently called out for church events. Others called in for Valentine's Day (the busiest day of the year) and sporting events, especially the World Cup and the Super Bowl. In nursing, I've encountered quite a few people who said "I requested this day off, and if I don't get it off I'll just call in. "
0Jan 21, '12 by tokmom, BSN, RNOk..Suzy does NOT have problems at home. I know Suzy personally, so when I asked her if she is ok after truly being sick, I'm not prying.I really hoped she was over her crud. However, she does call in habitually and uses every lame excuse in the book. She is NOT married, nor in any relationship. And yes I do know that for certain because we have socialized many times and we talk.
As soon as the schedule comes out she requests to be first called off for every day she is scheduled. If she doesn't get it off, you can bet your sweet bippers she will call two hours prior to her shift. I love her to death and she is a great nurse...when she shows up.
Most of the time I do not ask. I want to get off the phone ASAP because five other people need me. I don't want to listen ad nauseum to some excuse that I know is an excuse because these certain people do it all the time! Tell me you are sick and be done with it! But if a co worker calls in sick and is crying, then of course I will ask what is wrong. Geez..nothing wrong with caring. Flame away..
1Jan 21, '12 by Do-over, ASN, RNI go to work when scheduled, unless I am unable to perform, because I agreed to do so and believe it is the right thing to do. I gave up trying to be anyone else's conscience.
We have a no fault policy. The penalties are spelled-out: what happens as call-offs/noshows accumulate. We can also reap some benefits of good attendance - I saw it on my last performance review by receiving a higher percentage pay raise than I might have otherwise.
THe main problem I've seen, back when it was somewhat my business to know, is that when these things become a disciplinary issue - no one seems to want to go through the actual progressive discipline process.
6Jan 21, '12 by MinnieMomRNManagement needs to look at the trends. Is it a trend for that particular employee? Then management needs to address it with that employee. Is it a trend for that floor? Hmmm... maybe it's a toxic environment. Are nurses burnt-out, fed-up, feeling abandoned and that management doesn't have their backs? Is this the reason for taking a "mental health"day? Management doesn't solve that issue, and there's a much bigger problem at hand.
Management needs to manage.