unprofessional behavior in RN community - page 4
:nurse: I work in a small rural hospital in Nebraska,you would think the nurses here would be as professional as anywhere,or more so,wrong-wrong-wrong...we have some younger 22-30 year olds that use... Read More
Aug 1, '04Quote from zenmanI'm sure that is just a joke, but that is exactly how it plays outI used to live across the street from an elementary school and the little bas****s...I mean kids, would say words that I had just learned as an adult!
My wife, a school teacher, told me about a parent-teacher conference where little Johnny had been written up for cussing. When the teacher told the mother, the mom reached over and started slapping little Johnny. "What's the hell's wrong with you, you little f****r! When I get you home, you sorry bas****, I'm going to kick your a**! I told you never to cuss, you little SOB! And we ask why?
Aug 1, '04Quote from kat911Not looking down your nose, but you can usually tell that if someone is going to use such language, then that is also, their behavior as well. The language is the behavior that they are displaying. Why not display a positive behavior instead.Acutally it doesn't hurt a bit! Our profession is full of people from all walks of life with all types of backgrounds and beliefs, it's not up to me to judge someone else's language unless it is expressed improperly in front of patients, families, or visitors. We all know the limits, we can all abide by them. I know some people are terribly offended by "blue" language and I try to not "offend" them. I don't understand how it is so offensive but that is just my opnion and I realize it is not shared by many people. If you want to judge who I am based on my language then base it on all of my language, as well as all of my behavior. I am not linear, I am a full rounded individual with many facets. Be careful who you look down your nose upon, you could miss out on some very important and special relationships. :stone
I have never looked down my nose at anyone, and wanting or asking for respect from someone isn't looking over someone's genuine personality or who they are, its just asking the same thing that I give others. I have to get respect to give it, and talking in such a foul way isn't respectful of others. It is just plain rude. If that is the behavior that you wish to display, then you should round out a little bit more.
Aug 1, '04Quote from GromitSo very trueThat is, of course presuming that these people ARE ladies. Just being female doesn't make you a lady anymore than being a male makes us gentlemen.
Aug 1, '04Well, I'm also one of those people who does not notice a lot of cussing going on at work, but DOES notice a lot of gossiping and backstabbing, and yes, just plain meanness. I tend to be a little on the paranoid side, I'll admit, but I often feel like I'm the target of a couple of nurses on the floor who have been nurses a bit longer than I have, but think that their s**t doesn't stink.
Usually, if you hear any nurse on the floor cussing... it's me. :imbar I will tell you that I NEVER used to do it when I was a nurse's aide, but once I graduated and became an RN, I noticed myself doing it quite a bit more often. I try to be careful and do it under my breath and away from others, but I still do it.
I will also say that I don't like my job. I work on a med-surge unit and am looking to move to a different specialty in the not-so-distant future. I always enjoyed psychiatric nursing and feel more confortable in that field.
But anyway... I personally don't think there is anything inherently wrong with cussing, if one does it out of earshot of others. However, I personally do see it as a symptom that... perhaps one is a bit too stressed out and would do well to seek other employment.
Aug 1, '04Quote from LPN4LifeI am a funny guy, but no joke. Here in Hawaii, many adults love the "F" word so kids think it's normal.I'm sure that is just a joke, but that is exactly how it plays out
Aug 2, '04Sometimes its just the culture of the place and the bad language/behavior is rampant. I put up with a lot in the break room; we all need a safe place to vent. It should never occur where it might offend someone not of that ilk, and never in front of patients and families in my opinion. I've worked agency on units that the entire staff talked trash, cussed, and behaved innappropriately to each other the better part of the shift. I just thank my lucky stars I don't have to work with them every day. I tend to be very professional on the job (exclusively agency shifts now)...and that particular unit above the charge nurse apologized to me about his crew's language...I just shrugged and said "your unit not mine, none of my business''. But the fact he apologized told me he knew it was innappropriate. It may catch up with him someday.
Aug 2, '04Quote from earle58Because of your zero tolerance you would be an excellent business person.that's why i suk as a 'business person'.
i am no-nonsense and would have a zero tolerance policy on workplace negativity.
if these people didn't respond to the progressive discipline policies, they would be out of there. period.
but you are going to find this in more place than not. if they don't act like that in front of pts/families, then nothing much can be done unless you care to have a private conversation with them, telling them they're disgraceful.
yes, i have done that. if mgmt. seems dismissive, then unfortunately, you're on your own.....
This behavior hurts the business. It is not just the patients and visitors that management needs to be concerned about. This is an unhealthy work enviorment.
You are not on your own file a formal complaint with HR. This is may be a classified a hostile work enviroment.
You have recourse. Management needs to do more than have words. They need to put thier foot down.
Don't kid yourself that visitors and family do not notice the attitude of these nursese even if they do not hear the words. They do. This language is related to attitude.Last edit by Agnus on Aug 2, '04
Aug 2, '04i'm 23 and i can't imagine dropping the "f-bomb" at work...or in public! there are some things that need to be left at home...like the f word and smelly farts...
how obnoxious and bold to think you can talk like that at work where there is a very high probability that patients and families are nearby.
i'd be afraid of losing my job!
Last edit by DZcarrie on Aug 2, '04 : Reason: typo
Aug 2, '04Just curious because that is exactly what my unit sounds like (in small town NE!) Just to let you know there is another husker on the boards- pm me if you want!
Aug 3, '04I seems to me the incidence of women swearing is increasing in all venues. I work in an office in a hospital and a LTC facility. Both places the women swear, and not all are nurses. Administrative assistants, housekeepers, aids, nurses. The most troubling to me is when the ADON or DON swear during unit meetings. Really sets the tone for the unit.
Even talking with my sister illicits swear words from her (BTW she is also a nurse).
Now I happen to be a Naval veteran but you won't find me swearing like a sailor. The most I'll say is rats or crap!
Aug 3, '04I'm sorry Zenman, but that was pretty funny, I'm sure parents do talk to their kids like that but hey even on regular TV(not even HBO) I hear cuss words all the time, right in the middle of prime time.
I remember just a few years back when that song "Money for nothing" came out, our local radio stations would blurb over the word "******" now I have to hear Britney or who-ever the flavor of the week is, moaning and groaning and grabbing theirselves.
Nurse's swearing is just a by-product of our society I'm afraid. (IMHO)
Man... I sound like my Mom, when did i get so old?
Aug 3, '04You guys aren't talking about places that are private, like the breakroom and closed doors, right?
Its pretty obvious to me that it is ABUSE to curse or raise your voice in anger to a patient. This is defined as abuse in my nursing handbook because it intimidates the patient. I agree with that. You should always be in your caregiving role when it comes to patients and families. So, of course, I think that is unprofeesional, inappropriate, and unwarranted for to curse/gossip in front of patients/families.
And, as for malicious gossiping, this obviously always makes everyone feel negative, not positive.
But for the cursing part: Let me tell you about not being able to curse and let out anger from someone who never let out anger or cursed for most of her life (me). Its no good for you. I want to be able to curse and let out anger about the job when I'm in the breakroom with my colleages if they don't mind it and if they want to vent too with me. I think it brings people closer and makes you work better overall.
Some people here are saying that there are some words that should never come out of a lady's mouth. Maybe because I'm younger, I am very used to it and it doesn;t bother me one bit. In fact, what may bother me is a woman who DOESN't know how to curse and let out frustration. Even if you dont hear it, its going to be in there somewhere. Ever play on a sports team? I really think the reason why my team always did so well each year and won our conferences in high school was because we let off so much steam and cursed so much, thereby unveiling the doorway to the common goal.
I am not saying nursing is like sports but just that it is an exmaple of how cursing and being able to let out your anger and frustrations with (and NOT ON or ALL OVER) other people helps you to perform better and think more clearly as a team. Curse alone to yourself=you are isolated and still angry and you victimize and herocise yourself against others. Curse with other people=better team attitude and everyone appreciates each other. Letting out anger together brings unity because it shows that everyone is trying hteir best and everyone cares enough about the final goal to get pissed off about it. Everyone, curse together!
Aug 3, '04I think sometimes people just get so stressed by the working conditions it just comes out, they can't help it.
Nurses that have never used the F word before are all of a sudden starting to use it at work.