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from the census bureau. income climbs, poverty stabilizes, uninsured rate increases real median household income in the united states rose by 1.1 percent between 2004 and 2005, reaching... Read More

  1. by   Markthemalenurse
    Quote from lgflamini
    And BTW, most of the uninsured here in the U.S. are the working poor- many of them with 2 or more part time jobs, where benefits aren't offered or aren't affordable. The problem is more complex than people just choosing to be uninsured.:yeahthat:

    Not only that, some of the jobs that do offer insurance charge a riduclose (SP) co-pay. The one place I worked at was charging the workers 240.00 a month for insurance and I was only making 7.00 an hour. Plus the co-pays for the PCP and medications was a killer. I kept the insurance for a few months but had to drop it becuase my bills weren't getting paid and my family was hungry.
  2. by   Plagueis
    One thing that I noticed in one of the links for this report was the threshold for poverty. For a family of four, it is $19,971. That amount seems very low to me. That means that a family of four that earns, say, $21,000 per year is not considered at the "poverty level." I don't know how any family with two kids could live on that low amount, and not be considered poor. This state (NJ) does offer insurance for kids, but parents can't be covered if they earn more than the poverty level. There are many jobs around here that have people who work hard (grocery store, department store), but don't offer health insurance. I don't know what parents or single people do if they become sick.
  3. by   emsrn1970
    The only thing that has helped poverty was welfare reform that Clintonhad to be dragged kicking and screming to sign. Our current system is only broken because too many people are at the trough and only a few to pay for it. It amazes me that people scream about all these social problems that are broken or antiquated, but talk about reforming a filed program like social security and people are up in arms about it. We don't need a single payer system in this country we need people that will actually pay their hospital bills and not utilize emergency rooms for primary care.




    Quote from HM2Viking
    The war on poverty was working. Poverty rates dropped to about 8% during the 70's but increased back up to about 12% with the "deforms" started during the Reagan years. The war on Poverty actually started during the Depression. Our current system is broken and in need of a serious overhaul towards at a minimum universal access but preferably single payer.
  4. by   pickledpepperRN
    emsrn1970:
    What country are you in?
  5. by   pickledpepperRN
    Governor Schwarzenegger Announces Veto of Government-Run Health Care System

    http://gov.ca.gov/index.php?/press-release/3751/
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    Senator Kuehl Criticizes Governor's Planned Veto of Universal Healthcare
    Tuesday, September 05, 2006

    http://democrats.sen.ca.gov/template...n=Kuehl&sdn=23
  6. by   PANurseRN1
    Quote from spacenurse
    emsrn1970:
    What country are you in?
    I noticed that too.
  7. by   HM2VikingRN
    Has anyone researched Ahnulds political contribution list? I would be willing to bet that PHRMA has dumped a pile of cash in his campaign fund. If I lived in CA I know that I would vote for Angelides.
  8. by   ZASHAGALKA
    I guess it makes no sense to argue, in this day and age when the Constitution is a mere concept and not the actual founding of our law, to state that the Federal Gov't has no Constituional Power to enact national healthcare and that the 10th Amendment specifically forbids it from exercising Powers not specifically granted it.

    The REASON why Congress has only limited, enumerated powers was to keep it from meddling in our lives. I neither want nor need such meddling. I don't see how lowering healthcare to the lowest common denominator is either Constituional or wise.

    As such, requiring those that DO work to provide for those that DON'T is an unConstituional theft of not only the fiduciary nature, but of Power.

    Or, as JFK once said, 'Ask not what your Country can do for you, but what you can do for your Country'.

    When you take away individual responsibilities, you also take away individual rights. I just can't see the benefit of a gov't that coins the term, "Who's your Daddy" for itself.

    ~faith,
    Timothy.
    Last edit by ZASHAGALKA on Sep 5, '06
  9. by   pickledpepperRN
    The post above yours is for a STATE law. BUT I do have some questions.

    Does the Constitution give the President the right to ignore a law he signed?

    Does the Constitution provide for the Supreme Court to interfere with a state counting ballots thus electing a President by one vote?

    WHO should be denied healthcare?

    Have we been at war since WWII?
  10. by   HM2VikingRN
    we the people of the united states, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this constitution for the united states of america.

    article i
    section 8. the congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts and excises, to pay the debts and provide for the common defense and general welfare of the united states; but all duties, imposts and excises shall be uniform throughout the united states;

    to make all laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into execution the foregoing powers, and all other powers vested by this constitution in the government of the united states, or in any department or officer thereof.

    congress would be acting within its constitutional authority if it established a single payer health system. as i see it the constitution was written for protection of the people not just corporations. no one person can go it alone. as a society we have to work together to make things better if we are to succeed over the long run. if we view society as only a series of competing groups without obligation to establishment of the common good and shared sacrifice we are then building a house divided against itself. i think it was jim hightower's father who said "everybody does better when everybody does better." health care is a matter of long-term national prosperity and defense. it is time to build a better system for the benefit of all americans. doing nothing is not an option.
  11. by   HM2VikingRN
    Some Poverty Statistics from the Census Bureau. The third column is percent of people living in poverty. The last column is total families living in Poverty by percent.
    1965...... 191,413 33,185 17.3 179,281 28,358 15.8
    1964...... 189,710 36,055 19.0 177,653 30,912 17.4
    1963...... 187,258 36,436 19.5 176,076 31,498 17.9
    1962...... 184,276 38,625 21.0 173,263 33,623 19.4
    1961...... 181,277 39,628 21.9 170,131 34,509 20.3
    1960...... 179,503 39,851 22.2 168,615 34,925 20.7
    1959...... 176,557 39,490 22.4 165,858 34,562 20.8

    Versus:
    1979 4/... 222,903 26,072 11.7 195,860 19,964 10.2
    1978...... 215,656 24,497 11.4 191,071 19,062 10.0
    1977...... 213,867 24,720 11.6 190,757 19,505 10.2
    1976...... 212,303 24,975 11.8 190,844 19,632 10.3
    1975...... 210,864 25,877 12.3 190,630 20,789 10.9
    1974 3/... 209,362 23,370 11.2 190,436 18,817 9.9
    1973...... 207,621 22,973 11.1 189,361 18,299 9.7
    1972...... 206,004 24,460 11.9 189,193 19,577 10.3

    Versus:
    1988...... 243,530 31,745 13.0 208,056 24,048 11.6
    1987 7/... 240,982 32,221 13.4 206,877 24,725 12.0
    1986...... 238,554 32,370 13.6 205,459 24,754 12.0
    1985 ..... 236,594 33,064 14.0 203,963 25,729 12.6
    1984...... 233,816 33,700 14.4 202,288 26,458 13.1
    1983 6/... 231,700 35,303 15.2 201,338 27,933 13.9
    1982...... 229,412 34,398 15.0 200,385 27,349 13.6

    Versus:

    2005...... 293,135 36,950 12.6 242,389 26,068 10.8
    2004 14/.. 290,617 37,040 12.7 240,754 26,544 11.0
    2003...... 287,699 35,861 12.5 238,903 25,684 10.8
    2002...... 285,317 34,570 12.1 236,921 24,534 10.4
    2001...... 281,475 32,907 11.7 233,911 23,215 9.9
    2000 12/.. 278,944 31,581 11.3 231,909 22,347 9.6

    As I wrote earlier the war on poverty was working. We have started to lose the battle as a society. (The erosion of average incomes is creeping up into the middle class.)
  12. by   CseMgr1
    ..And so are the collection tactics which are being pursued by providers on the uninsured and underinsured.

    My sister, who was laid off from her job in 2001 and was diagnosed with a recurring type of bladder cancer last year and will be uninsurable until she becomes eligible for Medicare in 2009 when she turns 62, is still being hounded by debt collectors for back medical bills which she can't pay. She applied for public assistance but was turned down because my BIL's VA and Social Security income is "too high". She finally told one of the collectors last week to stop calling her, which will more than likely generate a demand letter from their collection attorney. And my son, whose company's group insurance plan is self-funded, was turned over to a collection agency after he was stuck with a $700.00 co-pay on a hospital bill for my then two-month-old grandson who was being evaluated for possible nephrotic syndrome. In the meantime, his older sister and brother get the normal childhood illnesses and have to go to the doctor, too, and the co-pays are outrageous. My son also has suspected sleep apnea, but can't afford to have a sleep study done because he would have to pay another $700.00 out of pocket, and he doesn't have it. Between his rising debt for all of these co-pays and interest rates on his mortgage, he's being forced to sell his dream home, which he has only been in for two years.

    So much for the "American Dream".

    I've also included a link to a news article published by The National Consumer Law Center, detailing the horror stories of several uninsured and underinsured people who lost everything they had...simply because they got sick. I cried when I read it, for they had worked so hard all their lives...and wound up with nothing to show for it.

    http://www.consumerlaw.org/news/content/medicaldebt.pdf
    Last edit by CseMgr1 on Sep 6, '06
  13. by   pickledpepperRN
    Quote from hm2viking
    we the people of the united states, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this constitution for the united states of america.

    article i
    section 8. the congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts and excises, to pay the debts and provide for the common defense and general welfare of the united states; but all duties, imposts and excises shall be uniform throughout the united states;

    to make all laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into execution the foregoing powers, and all other powers vested by this constitution in the government of the united states, or in any department or officer thereof.

    congress would be acting within its constitutional authority if it established a single payer health system. as i see it the constitution was written for protection of the people not just corporations. no one person can go it alone. as a society we have to work together to make things better if we are to succeed over the long run. if we view society as only a series of competing groups without obligation to establishment of the common good and shared sacrifice we are then building a house divided against itself. i think it was jim hightower's father who said "everybody does better when everybody does better." health care is a matter of long-term national prosperity and defense. it is time to build a better system for the benefit of all americans. doing nothing is not an option.

    thank you.

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