The Return of Hilarycare:

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The return of Hillarycare

This seems like an odd time for politicians to tout government-controlled health care. Less than a decade ago, the Clinton administration was shaken by the negative reaction to its "Hillarycare" proposal for a government medical monopoly. Just weeks ago, Oregon voters overwhelmingly rejected such a scheme at the state level. Advocacy of an idea that has repeatedly earned thumbs-down from Americans looks like an exercise in futility.

But health care costs are growing across the country, as are the ranks of the uninsured, eliciting screams from patients, doctors and employers who foot the bill for much medical coverage. That brings loud calls for a some sort of fix.

So people with a taste for government-monopoly medicine still see an opportunity to advance their cause. Now a state board in Maine is considering a tax-funded health system; the head of California Blue Shield has called for state-provided care; and Rhode Island legislators are studying similar ideas.

But government-dominated medicine doesn't just have low popularity ratings with the American public -- it has a bad track record in terms of performance, too.

In August 2002, the Fraser Institute, a research organization based in Vancouver, British Columbia, released a devastating comparison of the country's state health care system to plans in several primarily European countries. The Fraser researchers found poor availability of doctors and modern technology, long waits, unnecessary deaths and high costs.

The report concluded, "The models that produce superior results and cost less than Canada's monopoly-insurer, monopoly-provider system have: user fees; alternative, comprehensive, private insurance; and private hospitals that compete for patient demand."

In January 2002, the British Medical Journal published a comparison of Britain's National Health Service and California's private Kaiser Permanente HMO which found, "Our overall conclusion is that healthcare costs per capita in Kaiser and the NHS are similar to within 10% and that Kaiser's performance is considerably better in certain respects..."

Tennessee's unfortunate experience with government medicine confirms the findings in other countries. Once touted as a bold experiment in universal coverage, TennCare has foundered ever since. The program ran up high costs, fueling calls for a state income tax -- which sparked a grassroots tax revolt.

Tennessee was forced to tighten eligibility requirements and slash coverage.

But the fact that government-dominated medicine suffers from inefficiency and mismanagement doesn't minimize the problems with health care in the U.S. at a time when roughly 40 million Americans are uninsured.

However, while many Americans do go without health insurance, that's not necessarily because it's unaffordable. While the common perception is that individual coverage is expensive, eHealthInsurance, which offers online insurance price quotes, reported in 2001 that the average individual policy costs between $100 and $125 per month -- a tab well within the means of many Americans.

Stuart M. Butler of the Heritage Foundation proposes individual tax credits to further improve the affordability of health care coverage to low-income people.

Medical Savings Accounts (MSAs) already let some people put money aside money for health costs the way they do for retirement, with the funds shielded from taxes. Such funds are especially helpful for workers who lose their jobs. Tom Miller, a researcher with the Cato Institute, recommends that Congress expand the pilot MSA program so that it's available to all Americans.

Neither MSAs nor tax credits would address the issue of people who choose to do without coverage, but they would make it increasingly clear that for some people, lack of coverage really is a choice.

But that doesn't solve the problem of high costs. Health care insurance premiums are expected to rise by 15%-20% in 2003 -- well above the rate of inflation.

Some costs -- in particular, those of developing new medicines and medical devices -- are partially attributable to regulations and bureaucratic delays that can and should be eliminated.

Then there's America's favorite pastime: litigation. Outrageous jury awards are reflected in high premiums which have spurred orthopedic surgeons to walk off the job in Nevada, and limit the availability of care elsewhere.

Litigation has hidden costs, too. A Harris Interactive poll recently found that a whopping 79% of surveyed physicians order unnecessary tests, while 41% prescribe unnecessary antibiotics, in an effort to discourage lawsuits.

Tort reform, such as California's award caps, short windows for lawsuits and inducements for quick settlement, could reduce financial pressure on doctors and patients.

People seeking radical reform might look to the SimpleCare system promoted by the non-profit American Association of Patients and Providers. Under SimpleCare, doctors lower their administration, billing and paperwork costs by dropping all insurance plans. Instead, they bill their patients in full at the time of care, at a reduced rate that reflects their lower overhead.

To be honest, no matter what is done to improve the affordability of American health, some people will fall through the cracks. That's inevitable whether in a market system or under a scheme of tax-supported medicine.

But at their worst, private health care providers must compete for the loyalty of doctors and patients. A government monopoly can force people to pay taxes to support the system -- whether they like it or not.

http://www.free-market.net/spotlight/socmed/

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I am SO not touching this debate.

Then are abortion clinics morally neutral places?

Oh my dear girl you are really making me smile . . . :)

Of course a building is a building is a building . .. . it is the actions that happen inside them that are to be judged. And I'm not debating abortion here . . just didn't think Don's analogy made sense.

What the heck is the subject here anyway?

Have a lovely evening ladies . . . I must get this tired brain to bed.

((((hugs))))

steph

Gwenith, there are health professionals in the US very concerned about what you posted. You only have to look at the flare up in drug resistand TB in some areas a few years ago to see how not treating everyone impacts all citizens.

Drug resistant TB is still a major problem here, and while the number of cases have dropped overall--there are still cities and states where cases have risen. I just spoke with an infectious disease specialist for an article I just wrote, and he said that the cases of multi-drug resistant TB are rising at his facility. It takes about 2 years to successfully treat mdr TB (as opposed to 6 months for the regular type). The same problems are still here that caused the flare-up in the early 1990s. Nothing has really changed.

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Of course a building is a building is a building . .. . it is the actions that happen inside them that are to be judged. And I'm not debating abortion here . . just didn't think Don's analogy made sense.

"Conversely, I never saw an abortion clinic stalking a pregnant mother, or a person who was shot WITHOUT a gun."

What Don said is sort of similar to the "Guns don't kill people, people kill people" thing. In other words, the clinics themselves are not uprooting form the foundation, looking for a pregnant woman to work on.

Someone else has "Guns don't kill people, abortion clinics kill people" on their sig line (not sure who is was, maybe they're blocked now). That, to me, made not a bit of sense. But considering i just replied about it it, they are getting their desire effect from others.

(Sorry for the hijack, i'm back to the original subject matter...)

Drug resistant TB is still a major problem here, and while the number of cases have dropped overall--there are still cities and states where cases have risen. I just spoke with an infectious disease specialist for an article I just wrote, and he said that the cases of multi-drug resistant TB are rising at his facility. It takes about 2 years to successfully treat mdr TB (as opposed to 6 months for the regular type). The same problems are still here that caused the flare-up in the early 1990s. Nothing has really changed.

If you look at the MDH website it will show the statistics about why our TB, and MDR-TB has risen. MN has a high Somali immigrant population. This population has a high rate of TB and multi-drug resistant TB. We treat our immigrants and our refugee population for free, as TB is a true public health threat to all Americans. This is the case for Minnesota, the stats are on MN Dept of Health Web site.

kitkat

Yes. It is interesting.

OK, I got one for ya...

Let's consider this ethical dilemma, since Fergus commented on abortion again.

A woman is 32 weeks pregnant. She has an abortion scheduled for today. On her drive to the abortion clinic, she is struck by a drunk driver and the "fetus" -- "mass of tissues" --- "ball of cells" -- is killed. The now not pregnant woman escapes with minor contusions, requiring over-night care for observation at the hospital. Should the drunk driver be charged with murder? Or, since she was driving to the abortion appointment, should he be charged with drunk driving and sent home with chemical dependency treatment?

hmmmmm? I get tired of this debate being off limits. If it is not unethical, and it is nothing to get worked up over, and it is simply the law, then why not discuss it rationally and intently? The above scenario could be entirely TRUE and for all I know has most likely happened before.

Kitkat :uhoh3:

Well kitkat, that can still be a chargeable offense, and here's why.....

The woman could have changed her mind the second before the procedure started. Therefore, the driver could still be charged. This is the same law school debate about a man jumping out of a window, 20 floors up in order to kill himself. If someone shoots him in the head in mid-air it's still murder even though the man wanted to die. Hastening a death by a second is still murder. I have too many cops in the family to be able to leave that one alone;)

Well kitkat, that can still be a chargeable offense, and here's why.....

The woman could have changed her mind the second before the procedure started. Therefore, the driver could still be charged. This is the same law school debate about a man jumping out of a window, 20 floors up in order to kill himself. If someone shoots him in the head in mid-air it's still murder even though the man wanted to die. Hastening a death by a second is still murder. I have too many cops in the family to be able to leave that one alone;)

How can you murder a fetus? It isn't a baby. It is a mass of tissues. It is just a ball of cells. It has no human value to it. It is not murder. If it is murder when killed by a doctor shooting a gun, then it is murder by the doctor with the forceps. It is not a law school debate. It is about if it is a baby or a human being or if it is not a baby or not a human being.

It is either a baby worthy of life, or not a baby and not worthy of life. You cannot have it both ways. Besides the fact that if a woman has money (the almighty DOLLAR to give to the mutimillion dollar abortion mill industry then it is OK, yet let her give birth at 30 weeks at home to a live baby and if she dumps it into the trash it is murder. :angryfire

What defining moment makes it a baby sometimes, and not at other times.

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Have a nice day people ;)

How can you murder a fetus? It isn't a baby. It is a mass of tissues. It is just a ball of cells. It has no human value to it. It is not murder. If it is murder when killed by a doctor shooting a gun, then it is murder by the doctor with the forceps. It is not a law school debate. It is about if it is a baby or a human being or if it is not a baby or not a human being.

It is either a baby worthy of life, or not a baby and not worthy of life. You cannot have it both ways. Besides the fact that if a woman has money (the almighty DOLLAR to give to the mutimillion dollar abortion mill industry then it is OK, yet let her give birth at 30 weeks at home to a live baby and if she dumps it into the trash it is murder. :angryfire

What defining moment makes it a baby sometimes, and not at other times.

I understand that as an ethical argument. The problem is "murder" is defined by laws, not by personal ethics. The reason there is a difference between a doctor aborting a baby and a man killing a pregnant woman in a courthouse is because the law says so. Not because it's right or moral or ethical, but because it is the law. Exceptions are written into laws, and even though they may not be ethical, they are still the law. For instance, we have to maintain patient confidentiality, but there are specific instances in which we are required to break it. Right or wrong.

I understand that as an ethical argument. The problem is "murder" is defined by laws, not by personal ethics. The reason there is a difference between a doctor aborting a baby and a man killing a pregnant woman in a courthouse is because the law says so. Not because it's right or moral or ethical, but because it is the law. Exceptions are written into laws, and even though they may not be ethical, they are still the law. For instance, we have to maintain patient confidentiality, but there are specific instances in which we are required to break it. Right or wrong.

Fergus Fergus Fergus.....

The law says that marriage is for heterosexuals. Yet, you and others would fight forever to have that changed because you claim that it is a moral imperative.

Kit Kat

Fergus Fergus Fergus.....

The law says that marriage is for heterosexuals. Yet, you and others would fight forever to have that changed because you claim that it is a moral imperative.

Kit Kat

YES!!! You are starting to understand me! I believe in working to change laws that we believe are immoral (as you do about abortion and I do about gay marriage)!!! I am just pointing out that in the meantime they are the laws. So we can keep working for change (and SHOULD keep working to change if our conscience dictates it) but until then the law is the law regardless of its morality.

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