Southern Nurses Better Off Than The Rest? - page 3

You may not believe this (or maybe you will!) but I just heard that nurses from states in the South (ie: Mississippi) recently stated to other nurses at the national American Nurses Association... Read More

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    Oh, and as far as I know, Virginia has no union, but if it does, it's crap because I've never heard of it. I've been a nurse for six months, and my mother was a nurse here for over twenty years and if there is a union, they must be conducting secret meetings in Mexico.
    Last edit by NICU_Nurse on Aug 28, '03

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    ... I'm a nurse in canada who recently expressed interest in moving to the southern US, just because...

    I was investigating Georgia, alabama, tenessee... I was told by a couple of recruiters that thoses states don't recruit nurses, they seem to have enough of their own!!!

    I also notice that in the ad sections of any nursing publication, there is like 10 ads from texas and california, a few from arizona and oklahoma and the midwest, and only rarely do I see south eastern states advertising at all...

    You guys down south... if in fact you do have a nursing shortage, maybe it's time to break out and start advertising!
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    i forgot to add to my above post we do not have a shortage here. in fact there is a weekly threat of layoffs. one of my freinds just got bumped, another nay to unions, from a full time tele position. they offered her a part time on a suck hole med surge floor. she left the hospital and system alltogther. there is exactly 1/4 of a page in the sunday papers for nurses, lpn/rn/cna's combined! 95% are for ltc, but they offer huge bonuses of $100!, yes one hundred dollars. supervisors pay is advertised at $38,000, hate to see what a staff nurse is getting. no, we do not have a low cost of living. our area only has 3 major hospital systems, the one i work for which "runs" 5 local hospitals and 2 or 3 outlying ones, a but load of clinics, and some ltc. we loose a ton of money. they need to consolidate but whenever they try a bunch f people whine, md's threatent leave... there is the catholic system that runs 5 or 6 hospitals, they are great places to go to get an infection, get mis diagnosed, or die, and there is the county whick is the only level i trauma center, which they are good at but wouldn't want to work there or be on the med surge floor as a pt. there are a few out lying free standing hospitals, but they pay rn's somthing like $12/hour and if your stricken wiht anything worse then a doig bite or need surgery beyond a tonsilectomy you get transfered to us or the county. as you can see if you leave one system you only have 2 other choices or go to ltc. if/when i get laid off i'm leaving the area all togther.
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    When I worked in Fl. The only time there were enought nurses, medications, supplies, etc.. Was the week that JCAHO was there. I remember the nurse managers hiding charts that needed MD signatures, etc...
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    I live in the south, and have been on disability for 7 years----and every once and awhile feel sad about not being able to work. After reading some of the posts on this BB as well as other nursing sites, I'm probably better off not having to work in an understaffed hospital.

    I honestly and truly feel bad for what many of the nurses have to put up with today-----not only in the south, but in so much of the rest of the country. Technology is great, but when you add managed care, more paperwork, and a large nurse/patient ratio, it is no longer a pleasure to be in the profession.
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    well, as a southern nurse, i can tell you yes there is a shortage. i've never been forced to work ot, nor have i ever heard of it down here in my neck of the woods. the only time they mandated ot was during the hurricanes (and i don't mean the hockey team, people....), and that was 'cause your butt was locked down in the hospital and you couldn't leave!!!

    anyhoo, my ms bud tells me there's a shortage, and as the other la/ms (she lives/works in biloxi) have confirmed, the wages suck out there. can't say about the mandated ot, my friend's a military nurse.

    as for the canadian nurse who was told by the recruiter that some southern states 'don't recruit'..... liar liar pants on fire!!! (the recruiter, that is...) they do indeed recruit there. if you're looking to go to ga, look in the atlanta area. if you're looking to go to sc, look in the columbia area. if you're looking to go to tn, look in the knoxville/memphis/chattanooga areas.
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    Originally posted by -jt
    <As for the unions, I wasn't aware that the VA had unionized but 2 hospitals in the whole state is hardly representative of nurses in Georgia. I hate to believe that such a small number of people are speaking for the rest of us me cynical.............if the rest of us don't join and speak out then I guess we get what we deserve>

    I think theres a misunderstanding here - Sorry for the confusion - let me clarify.

    #1. I did not intend to suggest that ALL of Alabama is unionized. The Alabama State Nurses Association has a collective bargaining branch, offers union services for RNs in Alabama & is part of the national RN labor union - the United American Nurses/AFL-CIO Union. Lots of people think there there are no such things as RN unions anywhere in the south - but thats not true. Anyway, that wasnt the point.

    I just mentioned that Staff RNs who happen to be part of the RN union in that state, & other unionized RNs from other states in the south gave a presentation about staff RN's workplace problems in southern USA. They were speaking to staff nurses who had assembled from all over the country & the Virgin Islands

    2. It wasnt about any union speaking for nurses. It was Staff RNs talking about what most Staff RNs are facing in that region overall - union and not. Much the same kind of things as the posts here have said - especially about the unsafe staffing shortages theyre seeing in their states. The next day, in a different discussion, other nurses from the same region contradicted them by saying there were no such problems happening in those states . Non-unionized nurses from that region (my guess is that they were not staff RNs) basically said the workplace problems these Staff RNs discussed dealing with everyday did not even exist.

    I wanted to hear from real nurses on the front there if what those other nurses said was true. THOSE nurses - the ones who said there are NO problems - were not in any union. They were leaders in their southern state associations & are considered by the powers that be in their states to be speaking for nursing there. And theyre saying they have no problems with staffing!

    I have read many posts from nurses all over the south describing very difficult conditions, including short staffing, so it floored me that these nurse leaders could be so out of touch. A very scary thought that the people who are looked to by a states government as the voice of nurses in that state dont have any clue that their nurses have problems like short staffing.

    It just so happens that state associations with union branches are many times more likely to know about, understand, & focus on whats happening with the RN at the bedside because they are there with them. Those who are not unions, are not dealing much with the RN at the bedside, may not be so focused on them, & so often are not up to speed on these issues & can be out of touch with what is really going on.

    It wasnt that non-union nurses had nothing to complain about & union nurses had lots of "complaints". It was that STAFF NURSES in that region had a clear perspective of the difficulties they are dealing with everyday - (and thats much more than just 6 or 7 pts) - and its the NURSE EXECUTIVES in charge of the state who have their heads in the sand & dont have a clue - yet THEY are the ones the state is listening to. Thats the problem.

    I have to chalk it up to it probably is nurse executives running the show in those state associations because, union or not, staff nurses arent in them in that region & so, for the most part, arent being heard.

    Im sure there are some wonderful places to work in the south as there are everywhere else but for nurse leaders to say there are no staffing problems in the south was stretching it a bit too far, I think.

    I wasnt asking a question about unions. I was asking if those other nurses were telling the truth. Thanks to all for the many thoughtful responses. I think those leaders need a little education about what the world is really like for staff RNs in their own states.

    jt, I just went back and read your original post and I can see that I for one, completely misread it. I guess I was so outraged by the suggestion by any nurse leader, anywhere, who would suggest such a thing that I missed it. Thanks for clarifying.
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    shay you are correct, I used to work at BIloxi regional hospital and the pay does suck it is about $4.00 an hour less that hospitals in louisiana just 30 minutes away. and they always worked very short staffed! have a nice day shay.
    i did not knowyou were from the south.
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    Originally posted by pebbles
    I was investigating Georgia, alabama, tenessee... I was told by a couple of recruiters that thoses states don't recruit nurses, they seem to have enough of their own!!!

    That's another bald-faced lie. I can tell you that in Atlanta, Columbus, Macon, Savannah...really all over Georgia they are recruiting. I bet you could get a job in just about any hospital here. Come on down!
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    <they pay rn's somthing like $12/hour>

    And they can find so many nurses to work for such a low salary that they dont have a staffing shortage? How can they get away with this? What state is it????

    To the Canadian RN whos recruiter steered her away from the South Eastern states by saying they arent recruiting because "they have enough of their own" - I think she was pulling your leg! Could it be possible that maybe those states dont pay recruiters as high a commission as some other states? And maybe thats why she tried to get you to look elsewhere? There are always adds for Florida nursing positions in NY area nursing publications - especially all through the winter - & the professional nursing journals also have many ads for jobs in states of that region.

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