Southern Nurses Better Off Than The Rest? - page 3
You may not believe this (or maybe you will!) but I just heard that nurses from states in the South (ie: Mississippi) recently stated to other nurses at the national American Nurses Association... Read More
Jul 8, '02Originally posted by -jt
<As for the unions, I wasn't aware that the VA had unionized but 2 hospitals in the whole state is hardly representative of nurses in Georgia. I hate to believe that such a small number of people are speaking for the rest of us but............call me cynical.............if the rest of us don't join and speak out then I guess we get what we deserve>
I think theres a misunderstanding here - Sorry for the confusion - let me clarify.
#1. I did not intend to suggest that ALL of Alabama is unionized. The Alabama State Nurses Association has a collective bargaining branch, offers union services for RNs in Alabama & is part of the national RN labor union - the United American Nurses/AFL-CIO Union. Lots of people think there there are no such things as RN unions anywhere in the south - but thats not true. Anyway, that wasnt the point.
I just mentioned that Staff RNs who happen to be part of the RN union in that state, & other unionized RNs from other states in the south gave a presentation about staff RN's workplace problems in southern USA. They were speaking to staff nurses who had assembled from all over the country & the Virgin Islands
2. It wasnt about any union speaking for nurses. It was Staff RNs talking about what most Staff RNs are facing in that region overall - union and not. Much the same kind of things as the posts here have said - especially about the unsafe staffing shortages theyre seeing in their states. The next day, in a different discussion, other nurses from the same region contradicted them by saying there were no such problems happening in those states . Non-unionized nurses from that region (my guess is that they were not staff RNs) basically said the workplace problems these Staff RNs discussed dealing with everyday did not even exist.
I wanted to hear from real nurses on the front there if what those other nurses said was true. THOSE nurses - the ones who said there are NO problems - were not in any union. They were leaders in their southern state associations & are considered by the powers that be in their states to be speaking for nursing there. And theyre saying they have no problems with staffing!
I have read many posts from nurses all over the south describing very difficult conditions, including short staffing, so it floored me that these nurse leaders could be so out of touch. A very scary thought that the people who are looked to by a states government as the voice of nurses in that state dont have any clue that their nurses have problems like short staffing.
It just so happens that state associations with union branches are many times more likely to know about, understand, & focus on whats happening with the RN at the bedside because they are there with them. Those who are not unions, are not dealing much with the RN at the bedside, may not be so focused on them, & so often are not up to speed on these issues & can be out of touch with what is really going on.
It wasnt that non-union nurses had nothing to complain about & union nurses had lots of "complaints". It was that STAFF NURSES in that region had a clear perspective of the difficulties they are dealing with everyday - (and thats much more than just 6 or 7 pts) - and its the NURSE EXECUTIVES in charge of the state who have their heads in the sand & dont have a clue - yet THEY are the ones the state is listening to. Thats the problem.
I have to chalk it up to it probably is nurse executives running the show in those state associations because, union or not, staff nurses arent in them in that region & so, for the most part, arent being heard.
Im sure there are some wonderful places to work in the south as there are everywhere else but for nurse leaders to say there are no staffing problems in the south was stretching it a bit too far, I think.
I wasnt asking a question about unions. I was asking if those other nurses were telling the truth. Thanks to all for the many thoughtful responses. I think those leaders need a little education about what the world is really like for staff RNs in their own states.
jt, I just went back and read your original post and I can see that I for one, completely misread it. I guess I was so outraged by the suggestion by any nurse leader, anywhere, who would suggest such a thing that I missed it. Thanks for clarifying.
Jul 8, '02shay you are correct, I used to work at BIloxi regional hospital and the pay does suck it is about $4.00 an hour less that hospitals in louisiana just 30 minutes away. and they always worked very short staffed! have a nice day shay.
i did not knowyou were from the south.
Jul 8, '02Originally posted by pebbles
I was investigating Georgia, alabama, tenessee... I was told by a couple of recruiters that thoses states don't recruit nurses, they seem to have enough of their own!!!
That's another bald-faced lie. I can tell you that in Atlanta, Columbus, Macon, Savannah...really all over Georgia they are recruiting. I bet you could get a job in just about any hospital here. Come on down!
Jul 8, '02<they pay rn's somthing like $12/hour>
And they can find so many nurses to work for such a low salary that they dont have a staffing shortage? How can they get away with this? What state is it????
To the Canadian RN whos recruiter steered her away from the South Eastern states by saying they arent recruiting because "they have enough of their own" - I think she was pulling your leg! Could it be possible that maybe those states dont pay recruiters as high a commission as some other states? And maybe thats why she tried to get you to look elsewhere? There are always adds for Florida nursing positions in NY area nursing publications - especially all through the winter - & the professional nursing journals also have many ads for jobs in states of that region.
Jul 9, '02This was one of features on TV news tonight in Little Rock, AR. I'll attempt a cut and paste the feature.
Nursing Shortage in Arkansas Reaching Critical Stage
Posted - July 08, 2002 4:51pm Reporter: Kerri Jackson Posted By: Tony Tabor
New Rules May Mean Better Patient Care at Hospitals
Statewide - The nursing shortage in Arkansas reaching a critical stage. By the year 2010, it will take at least 30,000 new nurses entering the medical field in Arkansas to fix the problem. But at the same time, other states are recruiting Arkansas nurses with better pay and bonuses. Monday the Legislative Nursing Commission met to find some solutions. Kerri Jackson has more on what the committee recommends.
They are recommending both short-term and long-term solutions. They say the nursing shortage is complex problem with no simple solution. But most require more money.
They say if the problem is not addressed, patients will have problems from a harder time scheduling elective surgery, to more emergency room diversions because there are not enough nurses to take care of them. In the short-term, the committee recommends offering higher salaries to nurses and incentive programs to keep Arkansas nurses in the state and lure nurses from other states. Long-term, more people have to go to nursing school. Which means more people have to become nursing teachers. Right now, qualified professors have to take a pay cut to become an educator. That's one area many feel where the legislature can have direct influence.
(Barbara Williams/UCA Nursing Dept. Chair) "I think the legislators have got to look at the salary of the nursing faculty. There's got to be something to encourage the schools, either an incentive to encourage the colleges and universities to raise the salaries. Something's got to be done in that area."
(Sen. Brenda Gullet/(D) Pine Bluff) "We feel that a lot of communities do not realize what impact this is going to have on their local hospital."
The committee is putting together a final report to give to the full legislature this fall.
Copyright 2002 KATV, LLC
Edited post for correct url and pertinent topic. KarenLast edit by NRSKarenRN on Jul 9, '02
Jul 9, '02<WE DO NOT HAVE A SHORTAGE HERE. In fact there is a weekly threat of layoffs>
do you mean theres no shortage of bedside nurses at your hospital or there is no shortage of bedside nurses in your state?
The nurses I was referring to had said they had no shortages in their states. Hard to believe when all the documented reports show that EVERY state is currently experiencing a shortage of nurses who are willing to work at the bedside.
Incidentally, if a hospital has to rely on outside agency to staff its pt care units then it does have a staffing problem.
Jul 9, '02<the committee recommends offering higher salaries to nurses and incentive programs to keep Arkansas nurses in the state and lure nurses from other states. Long-term, more people have to go to nursing school. Which means more people have to become nursing teachers. Right now, qualified professors have to take a pay cut to become an educator. That's one area many feel where the legislature can have direct influence.......... (Barbara Williams/UCA Nursing Dept. Chair) "I think the legislators have got to look at the salary of the nursing faculty. There's got to be something to encourage the schools, either an incentive to encourage the colleges and universities to raise the salaries. Something's got to be done in that area........The committee is putting together a final report to give to the full legislature this fall. ">
So the Arkansas state legislature is going to be looking at establishing laws to help solve the shortage of bedside nurses & not a word is there about fixing the WORKING CONDITIONS you all are describing. What exactly are the recruitment/retention incentives that they will be considering? Are they hearing only from those nursing executives who dont think there are real problems at the besides & its all about getting new nursing students & paying professors better (although they do need to do that too)? Hopefully staff nurses in the trenches in that state will give those legislators an earful.
Jul 9, '02Hi jt...I hear you make big nursing bucks where you work, so I have tracked you down to ask you what state you live in and where you work that pays nurses top dollar for their expertise? Feel free to send me a "PM" so as to keep your place of employment top secret...must do that around here since we have a "lurker" without a life ready to report whatever she thinks is not kosherly told. Thanks!
Jul 9, '02Hey Ya'll. Lived & worked in Mississippi. DON's treat you like dirt. Up to 9-10 pts per nurse. Begging & taking GNs fresh from school, turning them loose as soon as 4-6weeks. Been there, done that. North MS schedules 2 on, 2off, q other weekend (they call it built-in OT). Pay sucks, too. DONs & Mgrs call round the clock begging you to work OT, even on other units (thand God for caller ID). Same old stuff, people trying to make it sound good, when they don't even work the floors.
Jul 9, '02<I have tracked you down to ask you what state you live in and where you work that pays nurses top dollar for their expertise?Feel free to send me a "PM" so as to keep your place of employment top secret...must do that around here since we have a "lurker" without a life ready to report whatever she thinks is not kosherly told>
Oh my!!!!! What did I miss???
Anyway, its no big secret where I live. If the lurkers just look to the left of the page & under my name, they can figure out what state it is by reading the city I listed as my location.
And for details of our salaries & other compensations like past experience pay, they can read these kosher press releases:
Nurses at Presbyterian Approve Breakthrough Contract
Westchester Med RNs approve landmark contract
New Saint Vincents Contract Sets the Pace
Mount Sinai nurses approve new contract
Staten Island University Hospital Nurses Approve New Contract
Abolishes mandatory overtime & guarantees safe staffing levels
St. Catherine's RNs approve contract that limits overtime and ensures safe staffing http://www.nysna.org/NEWS/PRESS/pr2002/pr030902.htm
Samaritan Nurses Approve New Contract http://www.nysna.org/NEWS/PRESS/PR2001/PR092001.HTMLast edit by -jt on Jul 9, '02
Jul 9, '02Lafayette Louisiana here and we have a definate shortage here. Our managers cannot hire people because there are no applicants to be had. We are losing tons of people to agency and traveling and from what i can tell there has been zero attempt to retain nurses. Heck when I let my manager know of my intention to move on to greener pastures I was never even asked to stay.
3 more weeks left in this state and then on to the great state of texas!!!!!!!
Jul 9, '02Cheerfuldoer:
If you don't want to live in NY, can come to Philly burb. Can find nice homes around $120,000 with quality Blue Ribbon schools.
Nurses at Crozer ratify contract---Look what they $$$ won
......With an average base salary of $54,000, Crozer nurses had been seeking a limit to the number of patients assigned to them per shift. The union proposed reducing to 5-to-1 the ratio of patients to nurses in medical and surgical units and 2-to-1 in critical care.
Wages for nurses with one year of experience begin at $25 per hour and increase to $37.54 per hour for nurses at the top of the wage scale. In two years, the range will be $27.22 to $41.38 per hour.......Last edit by NRSKarenRN on Jul 9, '02
Jul 9, '02JT I'm in the same state as you, just on the "other" coast. Didn't say there wasn't a shortage in the rest of the state. Just no shortage here. Why do people work for such low wages? People , for reasons unbeknownst to me are very reluctant to leave this hell hole. I am trappped here because my wife won't move. Don't know why othres stay. Residents that are here for school say they are leaving the day after they Graduate. People who do leave only come back for one reason, their elder family members are sick and they need to be with them. Knowbody move to here because they want too, 'cept maybe some foreigners who don't know better