Robert Wood Johnson Univ Hospital Nurses to Strike - page 11

Registered nurses start strike August 24, 2006 at 7am at Robert Wood Johnson Univeristy Hospital in New Brunswick, NJ Nurses reject contract proposal Home News Tribune Online 08/17/06 By DAVID... Read More

  1. by   twotrees2
    Quote from fedupnurse
    Yup, the phone calls and intimidation like that happens. Managers will choose people they feel are more likely to cross or be upset by the news that people have crossed. Tell people if they get calls to ask for specific names. Of course mgmt won't tell them but it will at least put them on the spot. I'd also consider having a voice recorder near the phone and tell any person who calls trying to intimidate me into coming back "Hi, I need to tell you that I am recording this conversation...." I would then pursue harassment charges against them while the strike is ongoing. It is amazing what hospitals will do and spend to get their way!!!!
    Congrats on so few people crossing!! That is impressive!!!!!!
    no matter how i feel about the union - the hospital has no right to abuse and intimidate you - more prayers going out for you all. use caller id and answering machines - then you have thier voices on tape! hang em to dry for doing that.
  2. by   twotrees2
    Quote from fedupnurse
    Here is the deal with PPO insurance coverage. Hospitals "own" them. We have a PPO and many of our docs hate it because the hospital (yes, it is the hospital that cuts the check to the docs) takes 9 to 12 months to pay the docs for services rendered. I don't know about you, but I certainly wouldn't wait for a year to be paid what I am owed. In the meantime, the hospital gets to invest not only the docs money that they are holding onto but also the stiff penalties (a grand is nothing to sneeze at for going out of network) and they invest that money to their benefit. I have heard from the sister of a RWJ nurse that many of their docs have opted out of being a PPO providers so then you have even less of a choice. If we had a non profit driven healthcare system in this country it would be a mute point. We would still have the old indemnity type insurance where I pay 20% and the insurer pays 80% regardless of what doc I choose to go to. If I lived 30 or more minutes away from my employer, I would have no choice but to choose a doc closer to my home. I would certainly not take 30 or more minutes in an emergency situation to get to a hospital!!
    Like CLCTRN said, it is not just about insurance. That is what the execs are saying to divert attention from the real issue. God forbid nurses have a say in patient care issues and this is why they are ignoring the unions requests to come back to the table.
    We all have a choice. If we don't believe in striking we have no business working in a unionized facility. We also have no right to reap the benefits unionized facilities garner for the "rest of us". If anything happened to the union where I work it would negatively affect salaries, benefits and working conditions for every hospital employee in this area. They have to offer what we have gained through our union in order to attract and retain staff.

    union around here doesnt help those who dont join it - my pay is far less than any unionized place - but thats my choice - i dont care that i have lower pay cause this way i dont have to make the choice to cross that line.....
  3. by   NRSKarenRN
    Quote from voice of reason
    maybe the reporter got it wrong, but about half of rwj nurses don't contribute anything towards their healthcare. those hired in the last few years pay the most - about $120/month for a family plan. no one pays anywhere near $200/month.
    how would you know this inside information unless involved in rwj mgmt??? ....seen nothing in the press.

    still does not address issues of:
    a. lack of rwj medical professionals accepting facilites insurance.
    b. high deductables and copays as forced to use outside physicians due to lack of specialists in network.
    c. patien't right to choose health care provider------when you can't get appoint for 2-3 months, there is not choice if urgent concern.
    d. patient privacy concerns.

    part of my professional responsibilities is directing insurance verification clerks in my department and confirming homecare patients health care benefits.

    re aetna:
    seeing more aetna copays of $30.00/day even as high as $40.00/day copays plus $1,000.00 deductible with limit of 60 visits/calendar year.

    aetna medicare patients have $20.00 copay per day for homecare past 2 years. if patients can't afford to pay $20.00 copay for medicine, they surely cannot pay for homecare, therefore provider eats the cost---or patients decline service and have higher rehospitalization rate.

    if your benefits are low cause your job pays < $20.00/ hr how the heck are you going to pay $1,000.00 deductible. choice for some people is home mortage payment , continuing health insurance payments, food or medicine....somethings gotta give.

    great post slave_to_cats!
    Last edit by NRSKarenRN on Sep 11, '06
  4. by   ZASHAGALKA
    Quote from NRSKarenRN
    How would you know this inside information unless involved in RWJ mgmt??? ....seen nothing in the press.
    I've made critical comments in this thread about the strike, but I was thinking the SAME thing.

    At least w/ over 3,000 posts over the last year and a half, nobody could argue that I only signed up to post comments in THIS thread.

    And, it DID seem like that poster had some 'inside' info. Maybe some of that attempting to unduly influence union workers that the strikers are complaining about?

    Especially since EVERY post ever made by that poster is in THIS thread. Even the ID lends to the belief that it's a throwaway ID for purposes of use ONLY in this thread.

    Voice of Reason? Or Voice of the Bossman telling you goldbrickers to get back to work? Hmmmmmm.

    ~faith,
    Timothy.
    Last edit by ZASHAGALKA on Sep 11, '06
  5. by   lee1
    Quote from spacenurse
    Thank you Slave to Cats for the link!

    To the writer, a critical care nurse, the right to advocate for his patients is the major issue.
    ...The hospital refused to include five lines on patient advocacy in the latest contract. Why? This patient-advocacy language is something all RNs should read every day before the start of their shift and is something all our nurse managers should have read before the strike began...
    http://www.thnt.com/apps/pbcs.dll/ar...609090359/1080

    The American Nurses Association's
    Bill of Rights for Registered Nurses

    "Nurses have the right to freely and openly advocate for themselves and their patients, without fear of retribution."
    http://www.nursingworld.org/ajn/2001/nov/issues.htm
    What five lines did he want to include. The ANA bill of rights for nurses includes 7 rights.
  6. by   pickledpepperRN
    Quote from lee1
    What five lines did he want to include. The ANA bill of rights for nurses includes 7 rights.
    I don't know. The letter stated, "The hospital refused to include five lines on patient advocacy in the latest contract."
    The patient advocacy language from the previous contract.

    I included the ANA Bill of Rights because I agree 100% with the ANA that nurses must have the right as well as the obligation to advocate for the best interest of their patients without retaliation.

    I haven't seen their previous contract.
  7. by   fedupnurse
    The ANA can say we have the right to advocate without the fear of retribution but we do experience retribution each and every day! I guess many of you haven't been Disney-fied yet!! Just wait till that happens to those of you with a mind and a mouth. It's like a cult indoctrination!!! The bottom line is hospital executives expect nurses to give "perfect" care in far less than perfect circumstances. This is the newest trend just like re engineering was in the mid 90's. Smile and profess this is the best hospital in the world. This is exactly what most strikes revolve around-administrators want complete and total power over their staff.
    I agree, when I read voice of reasons posts I began to get the stink of an executive!!!!!!!!
  8. by   nyforlove
    of course, "voice of reason" is a mgmt-operative...s/he confirmed that as soon as s/he posted yesterday afternooon:

    "$500 - $700 doesn't sound so bad. didn't they already come down on what it used to be?"

    come on, voice of reason, at least make yourself believable....but, if mgm't truly feels $500-$700 is a reasonable co-pay, then there is no question that they are out of touch w/people making hourly wages.


    Quote from nrskarenrn
    how would you know this inside information unless involved in rwj mgmt??? ....seen nothing in the press.

    still does not address issues of:
    a. lack of rwj medical professionals accepting facilites insurance.
    b. high deductables and copays as forced to use outside physicians due to lack of specialists in network.
    c. patien't right to choose health care provider------when you can't get appoint for 2-3 months, there is not choice if urgent concern.
    d. patient privacy concerns.

    part of my professional responsibilities is directing insurance verification clerks in my department and confirming homecare patients health care benefits.

    re aetna:
    seeing more aetna copays of $30.00/day even as high as $40.00/day copays plus $1,000.00 deductible with limit of 60 visits/calendar year.

    aetna medicare patients have $20.00 copay per day for homecare past 2 years. if patients can't afford to pay $20.00 copay for medicine, they surely cannot pay for homecare, therefore provider eats the cost---or patients decline service and have higher rehospitalization rate.

    if your benefits are low cause your job pays < $20.00/ hr how the heck are you going to pay $1,000.00 deductible. choice for some people is home mortage payment , continuing health insurance payments, food or medicine....somethings gotta give.

    great post slave_to_cats!
    Last edit by nyforlove on Sep 12, '06
  9. by   mrsmitty
    The reduced deductibles are not that unreasonable. Really, how many non-emergent admissions is one likely to have. The dedectible can be covered on a pre-tax basis by contributing to the medical expense reimbursement plan.

    Lets see, at least 3 weeks out of work, $4-5000 in lost wages, covers a lot of deductibles.
  10. by   tridil2000
    Quote from mrsmitty
    The reduced deductibles are not that unreasonable. Really, how many non-emergent admissions is one likely to have. The dedectible can be covered on a pre-tax basis by contributing to the medical expense reimbursement plan.

    Lets see, at least 3 weeks out of work, $4-5000 in lost wages, covers a lot of deductibles.
    if rwj is not interested in negotiating in person, you're sure doing a heck of a job through all nurses!

    btw, your headers can give away your server and where you're posting from.
    just a heads up.
  11. by   VOICE OF REASON
    I don't have anything to do with hospital administration. I work at RWJ and only wish I made as much $$ as the average nurse there. ($42/hour!). I can see that having actual facts makes you all angry such as the fact that nearly half of RWJ nurses don't contribute anything to their healthcare. Facts can do that if they don't help with your argument. Hence the name calling. I've been called many things, and "executive" isn't nearly the worst. (By the way, the fact that newspapers haven't reported that most nurses pay nothing for health insurance doesn't mean your fellow RWJ employees don't know it. Who do you think pays more so you dont have to!) Name calling does not make me angry. What makes me angry is the unfair class system that RWJ has set up over the years where nurses get special treatment, unbelievable raises (27 percent was the average increase over the last contract), no contribution towards health insurance, and now they want a special health plan that just by the way happens to be run by their union, the United Steelworkers Union. Gee, I'm sure the union doesn't make any money off that. Call me all the names you want. But I remain the (Angry) Voice of Reason.
  12. by   ZASHAGALKA
    Quote from VOICE OF REASON
    I don’t have anything to do with hospital administration. I work at RWJ and only wish I made as much $$ as the average nurse there. ($42/hour!). I can see that having actual facts makes you all angry such as the fact that nearly half of RWJ nurses don’t contribute anything to their healthcare. Facts can do that if they don’t help with your argument. Hence the name calling. I've been called many things, and “executive” isn’t nearly the worst. (By the way, the fact that newspapers haven’t reported that most nurses pay nothing for health insurance doesn’t mean your fellow RWJ employees don’t know it. Who do you think pays more so you dont have to!) Name calling does not make me angry. What makes me angry is the unfair class system that RWJ has set up over the years where nurses get special treatment, unbelievable raises (27 percent was the average increase over the last contract), no contribution towards health insurance, and now they want a special health plan that just by the way happens to be run by their union, the United Steelworkers Union. Gee, I'm sure the union doesn't make any money off that. Call me all the names you want. But I remain the (Angry) Voice of Reason.
    I'm worth twice what I'm paid. You eye our serious underpayment of worth because you have no idea what it takes to earn that money.

    Hospitals don't exist for doctors. They have their offices. They don't exist for administrators. Hospitals exist for NURSING care. To the extent such a hospital makes its millions, the few dollars I get paid are so not enough.

    And THAT's the bottom line.

    I personally might not agree with the specific solution that the RWJ nurses are advocating, but I understand that their problems should be addressed. And I respect the fact that 1300 nurses can't all be wrong.

    For what we do daily, 42 bucks an hour - an exaggeration to start with - is STILL chump change.

    ~faith,
    Timothy.
    Last edit by ZASHAGALKA on Sep 13, '06
  13. by   oneLoneNurse
    Well said, ZASHAGALKA !! Can't say I agree with you on most of your postings, BUT have to hand it to you on this on. I notice most if not all of your arguments are well thought out.

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