Healthcare is NOT a basic human right.

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Fiona59

8,343 Posts

Demographics-if you have a lot of older people, then you shift focus on disease processes of the elderly. If you have lots of rich, you focus on non urgent care items, like plastic surgery, if you have more poverty, then you focus on the health needs of the poor-If you have areas that are less populated and away from major population centers, then your care changes. If you have Indian populations, you may focus on those diseases or wellness programs that fit that culture.

I agree-with Demographic changes-control from the State levels can be more quickly addressed, than waiting for federal census results every 10 years.

Universal healthcare only covers essential plastic surgery. Grafts for burns victims, limbs (to a certain amount) for amputees. Rhinoplasty, breast augmentation, lipo, etc are paid for by the person who wants it. The only time this differs is if it's psychologically required.

Broken noses that need a septoplasty pronto, rhinoplasty? not so often.

Eyelid tucks, you pay for.

We have large First Nations populations in my areas and their issues are pretty much the same as every ones. Diabetes, addictions, poverty.

Susie2310

2,121 Posts

Healthcare coverage is different for different populations-If Medicare was so awesome, why do you have to have plan B, Plan D etc. You know-I'm just to the point where it's a done deal, and I'm just ready to survive this. It's out of our hands and I'm done with it. Just tired now. Hope it all works out and we have quality care that everyone can tap into. In the mean time for those out of jobs, wrap yourself and your family in bubble wrap and hold on.

I have read many of your posts on this thread and I understand that you don't believe people have a right to health care, that "government" involvement in health care is bad, that the rich are paying more than they should, and that Medicare, Medicaid and other government programs are riddled with inefficiencies. You have referred to paying more more than once. Are you rich? Do you make more than $200,000 (single person) or $250,000 (couple) and resent paying slightly higher taxes towards the ACA? I am confused as to why you do not appear to think that some of the benefits of the ACA are significant: Young people can remain on their parent's insurance until they are 26; insurance companies can't just cancel people's coverage when they become ill; refusing people insurance because of pre-existing conditions is prohibited. These things by themselves are significant. I don't understand why you believe the ACA is such a burden. The government spends your tax money on wars. You want the fire department and the police I presume. Do you raise similar concerns about government fiscal responsibility in regard to the defense budget?

lemmyg

22 Posts

yes it is.

Hypnotica

31 Posts

Can't stand it when people think they deserve healthcare just because they have a pulse. It's a luxury. Indoor plumbing is a luxury, too, and you don't see plumbers doing that for free. If you want healthcare, work hard so you can afford it. Play by the rules. Everyone makes their living somehow. Don't gip someone of their hard-earned money. You wouldn't be very happy if the public decided that you were to service them without any benefit to you. You wouldn't do your job for free. Don't expect others to. Complete socialism (no money circulating) doesn't work either. If there's no incentive to work, no one will work hard or work at all. Take away the incentive to work, and you've got a collapsed economy.

Specializes in Critical Care, Med-Surg, Psych, Geri, LTC, Tele,.

This " Young people can remain on their parent's insurance until they are 26" is why I'm not in favor of the federal health care plan.

I acknowledge that health coverage is expensive and not all jobs offer it. I further acknowledge that many plans are very expensive relative to the payers income.

I don't think that the best or only solution to that problem is that fully grown adults be treated as dependents. I think a 26 year old is old enough to have a career established and get their own job. I think that age of 26 should not entitle you to dependent benefits. My ex was 33, laid off, had type 2 diabetes, overweight, HTN and couldn't afford health insurance. His meds would have cost us hundreds a month. How is someone at age 32 less deserving than someone of 26? Both are adults.

Looking back, he opted not to accept cobra, as many people do. They get surprised when they get laid off and their employer is going to pay cobra an excessive sum (900/mo) for the duration of the cobra time period, as required by law. My ex chose to get the money, then found out he didn't medically qualify to buy his own insurance.

I think many people lack a basic understanding of how insurance works and this is why they believe government funded health care is a great option.

MandaRN94

185 Posts

Specializes in OB/GYN,PHN, Family Planning.

Wow. I'm a little disgusted by some of the comments here. I believe in social justice and it is embarassing that we are a developed nation have so many uninsured. I believe in the ACA as a step in the right direction. How can anyone justify the US spending over a trillion in healthcare costs and have over 50 million uninsured -we spend more money than other developed countries and poorer quality indicators of health. We absolutely need healthcare reform with the notion that healthcare is a basic right.

tewdles, RN

3,156 Posts

Specializes in PICU, NICU, L&D, Public Health, Hospice.
Can't stand it when people think they deserve healthcare just because they have a pulse. It's a luxury. Indoor plumbing is a luxury, too, and you don't see plumbers doing that for free. If you want healthcare, work hard so you can afford it. Play by the rules. Everyone makes their living somehow. Don't gip someone of their hard-earned money. You wouldn't be very happy if the public decided that you were to service them without any benefit to you. You wouldn't do your job for free. Don't expect others to. Complete socialism (no money circulating) doesn't work either. If there's no incentive to work, no one will work hard or work at all. Take away the incentive to work, and you've got a collapsed economy.

Who does deserve health care in the USA?

CountyRat

323 Posts

Specializes in Wilderness Medicine, ICU, Adult Ed..
Wow. I'm a little disgusted by some of the comments here. I believe in social justice and it is embarassing that we are a developed nation have so many uninsured. I believe in the ACA as a step in the right direction. How can anyone justify the US spending over a trillion in healthcare costs and have over 50 million uninsured -we spend more money than other developed countries and poorer quality indicators of health. We absolutely need healthcare reform with the notion that healthcare is a basic right.
Mandra, being pessimistic about the Affordable Care Act is not the same as denying that the U.S. needs healthcare reform. I can only speak for myself, but I doubt that I am alone when I say that the U.S. healthcare non-system is badly in need of major changes, but I do not think that the ACA will produce the needed changes. As for it being a first step, first steps are only good when the step is taken in the right dirrection. I think that, in the case of the ACA, we have committed ourselves to an ineffective and costly solution that will lock us onto a path that we will regret. I sincerely hope that I am wrong, and if future outcomes prove that I am wrong I will be very happy.

CountyRat

323 Posts

Specializes in Wilderness Medicine, ICU, Adult Ed..
Who does deserve health care in the USA?

No one deserves healthcare; or food, clothimg, and shelter. Needing something and deserving somethimg are very different.

tewdles, RN

3,156 Posts

Specializes in PICU, NICU, L&D, Public Health, Hospice.
No one deserves healthcare; or food, clothimg, and shelter. Needing something and deserving somethimg are very different.

So Health care is a basic human need?

As a society do we insure that our citizens can have their basic human needs met or do we leave it to survival of the fittest and the ability to pay for those basic needs?

I, of course, was responding to the poster who mentioned people "deserving" health care.

Specializes in ER, Trauma.

Your basic premise is: "Healthcare is a human invention that does not exist in the natural environment." This can only be true if humans don't exist in the natural environment. Since humans clearly do exist in the natural environment, have evolved into creatures capable of controlling their environment, and "invented" healthcare which I would argue was a matter of evolution and survival, your entire argument is invalid.

tewdles, RN

3,156 Posts

Specializes in PICU, NICU, L&D, Public Health, Hospice.
Your basic premise is: "Healthcare is a human invention that does not exist in the natural environment." This can only be true if humans don't exist in the natural environment. Since humans clearly do exist in the natural environment, have evolved into creatures capable of controlling their environment, and "invented" healthcare which I would argue was a matter of evolution and survival, your entire argument is invalid.

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