Forced ultrasounds - page 5

Has anyone been following this? Virginia just passed a law that requires any woman who wishes an abortion must have an ultrasound (and pay for it) prior to the abortion. Since most of these are done... Read More

  1. Visit  everwonder_y} profile page
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    Despicable legislation.

    VA's mandatory ultrasound is now set up to performed 24 hours before the procedure. So much for small government and reduced spending.

    The clinician and the patient should be determining care, not some zealot legislator trying to score political points at the expense of women exercising their constitutional right.

    Informed consent? My ass! These paternalistic legislators disrespect ALL women (not just women seeking abortions) by deeming women not competent enough to make their own medical choices without unnecessary medical procedures mandated by the Government.

    Also disturbing, the author of this travesty is a woman, Jill Vogel. Ew.
    Last edit by everwonder_y on Feb 28, '12
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  3. Visit  brandy1017} profile page
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    Quote from dudette10
    Before any of these laws, my friend did indeed see the ultrasound, as it was on top of the paperwork that the PP social worker had in front of her while informed consent for the procedure was being obtained.

    She couldn't miss it, and it haunts her to this day. She even ordered a copy of her medical records to punish herself.

    Just maybe this law will encourage the SWs to be more careful with placing the ultrasound in such a way so that the woman CAN'T see it if she chooses not to.
    There is a Christian support group called Rachel's Vineyard that has weekend group sessions where abortion survivors can let go of their guilt and pain and even name their baby. I believe they are throughout the nation, maybe you could suggest this to her.
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    Quote from brandy1017
    There is a Christian support group called Rachel's Vineyard that has weekend group sessions where abortion survivors can let go of their guilt and pain and even name their baby. I believe they are throughout the nation, maybe you could suggest this to her.
    I am puzzled as to how these types of support group are therapeutic, it seems like they would reinforce feelings of guilt and pain, rather than alleviate them.
    Last edit by dishes on Feb 29, '12
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    Quote from dishes
    I am puzzled as to how these types of support group are therapeutic, they seems like they would reinforce feelings of guilt and pain, rather than alleviate them.
    I'm also puzzled, especially by the term "abortion survivor." That carries a connotation that a woman would be a recovering "victim" of abortion; as if to say that there was no choice at all, that the abortion was done against her will.

    I actually do know someone who was forced to have an abortion; she was sixteen and both her and her boyfriend's parents pressured her non-stop, so against her wishes she had the abortion, and it was a really awful situation.

    I knew the boyfriend's parents, and I was so disgusted by the way they handled that that I dropped the friendship.

    I imagine the experience would colonize the rest of her life in a really terrible way and I could see someone like that benefiting from a support group.

    But I think that is a very specific demographic that might be helped by such an organization; I don't think most women characterize themselves as either victims or survivors.
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  6. Visit  nguyency77} profile page
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    Quote from MN-Nurse
    This law, and all others like it, are idiotic.

    Providers and their patients are perfectly capable of ordering appropriate tests.
    Politicians are so freaking clueless. They really need to get off their soapbox and venture out into the real world, because many of them need a serious reality check.
  7. Visit  brandy1017} profile page
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    From college thru working, the only thing I've heard of more than people who've had abortions is rape. It seems so many women have been victims of rape. In the instances of abortion I know of a person being forced by her mother and in general the boyfriends pressuring them to have an abortion. I don't believe most women truly make a choice I'm going to have an abortion, rather than give in to the fears and pressures coming from their boyfriends or parent's if they are young. I've known women who resisted the pressure to have an abortion and are glad they did. However their relationships with the boyfriend didn't last because the men were interested in easy sex, not a true relationship! Funny, one guy went from wanted the abortion to suddenly loving the child after the child was born, all the while scorning and mistreating the mother of his child! All the people I know who had their child are glad they did, regardless of the sacrifices and struggle that went with it. They don't regret having their baby!

    A baby is not something you choose to have or not, like I'm going to buy this dress or go on a vacation. The whole pro-choice rhetoric diminishes us as human beings and dehumanizes the unborn baby!

    Why is it at a time when there is such a variety of birth control options out there, that abortion is felt to be so needed? All birth control has done has helped create an environment where men can have sex with many woman and get away with it. Too many women are so desparate for a "man" that they will compromise themselves and their values to be loved and then live in fear of getting pregnant because their is no real relationship where a child would be welcome, but just a convenient sexual arrangement till something better comes along. The Catholic church appears to be standing alone in defense of marriage and family.

    I've read there's been over 40 million abortions since Roe vs Wade in America alone. That's a genocide that rivals what happened to the Jews during the Holocaust! All those people missing from the world, what contribution could they have made, what friends, spouses, mothers and father's could they have become, we'll never know!

    I remember reading Steve Jobs of Apple was adopted and thanked his birth mother for giving him life. One person whose talents have contributed tothe whole world. Just something to think about!
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  8. Visit  VioletKaliLPN} profile page
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    Brandy 1017~

    I just wanted to comment on your post, you said some things in particular that I felt compelled to respond to.

    As a woman *I* have a desire for sex, I want to have sex with my husband and not become pregnant each time we have sex. I enjoy the closeness we have, as well as our 'no child' right now relationship. We have been together for 8 years.

    Women, college students included, enjoy sex and actively seek out sexual partners. Men, of course, also actively seek out these women who desire sexual relations. I believe the idea that women are being taken advantage of thanks to birth control is ignorant of a woman's DESIRE for sex, as well as the freedom with which BC gives us to have sex. It allows US/ME to enjoy having sex without becoming pregnant.

    While I am sure some men take advantage of women, I have never felt taken advantage of due to my BC use. Rather, I felt responsible for protecting myself from unplanned pregnancy.

    Yes I did have an abortion because *I* wanted one. I did not want to have a baby at 20, nor did I desire to remain pregnant. Adoption is not an option for myself, although I believe it is a perfectly wonderful option for women who do not want to parent, or do not wish to have an abortion. After my abortion, while I was still asleep, I had an IUD inserted so that medications I was on would not affect the action of my BC pills. (I was not told that this drug affected BC)

    I cringe when I see others assume that I/we cannot make the choice to terminate a pregnancy without pressure or coercion. I am not a weak woman, nor am I uneducated or easily influenced by others. I know what I want out of life, and pregnancy at 20 was not what I wanted... 10 years later and I am so thankful for everything I have now. I am glad that I chose abortion, yes, I am glad.

    Family planning is such an emotional, controversial, personal issue. I support ALL women, as they are, whatever their situation is. Women deserve no less.

    Thanks for listening,
    KaliLPN
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  9. Visit  brainkandy87} profile page
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    Quote from brandy1017
    From college thru working, the only thing I've heard of more than people who've had abortions is rape. It seems so many women have been victims of rape. In the instances of abortion I know of a person being forced by her mother and in general the boyfriends pressuring them to have an abortion. I don't believe most women truly make a choice I'm going to have an abortion, rather than give in to the fears and pressures coming from their boyfriends or parent's if they are young. I've known women who resisted the pressure to have an abortion and are glad they did. However their relationships with the boyfriend didn't last because the men were interested in easy sex, not a true relationship! Funny, one guy went from wanted the abortion to suddenly loving the child after the child was born, all the while scorning and mistreating the mother of his child! All the people I know who had their child are glad they did, regardless of the sacrifices and struggle that went with it. They don't regret having their baby!
    I don't see how having the option of abortion presented, even suggested, after going through the most traumatic experience a woman can go through is a bad thing. This is why I'm pro-choice. To me, I don't believe that any woman would really want a daily reminder of that experience in the form of a child, but then again, each woman should have that choice.

    A baby is not something you choose to have or not, like I'm going to buy this dress or go on a vacation. The whole pro-choice rhetoric diminishes us as human beings and dehumanizes the unborn baby!
    Yes, a baby is something you choose to have or not have. Roe v. Wade affirmed that for women. I don't see how the power of choice diminishes us as human beings. I thought free will was a fundamental aspect of being human.

    Why is it at a time when there is such a variety of birth control options out there, that abortion is felt to be so needed? All birth control has done has helped create an environment where men can have sex with many woman and get away with it. Too many women are so desparate for a "man" that they will compromise themselves and their values to be loved and then live in fear of getting pregnant because their is no real relationship where a child would be welcome, but just a convenient sexual arrangement till something better comes along. The Catholic church appears to be standing alone in defense of marriage and family.
    Why is abortion needed? Well, because not everyone wants to share your world view. This country is great because the First Amendment says I can be an Atheist and you can be a Christian without any worries of prosecution or restriction to your beliefs. The First Amendment was not put in place to expand the beliefs of Christianity across the laws of the land. If a Christian wants to be pro-life, fine, go for it. But by trying to have abortion made illegal, you're infringing on my beliefs, my First Amendment right.

    I've read there's been over 40 million abortions since Roe vs Wade in America alone. That's a genocide that rivals what happened to the Jews during the Holocaust! All those people missing from the world, what contribution could they have made, what friends, spouses, mothers and father's could they have become, we'll never know!

    I remember reading Steve Jobs of Apple was adopted and thanked his birth mother for giving him life. One person whose talents have contributed tothe whole world. Just something to think about!
    Are we really comparing abortion to the Holocaust? Around 1% of abortions are done at more than 21 weeks. If you're comparing those congregated cells and non-viable fetuses to millions of individuals executed in the name of German supremacy, well, more power to you.

    I think everyone, no matter what side of the abortion argument they are on, needs to read Carl Sagan and Ann Druyan's essay on abortion. I'll even link you! The abortion debate - Carl Sagan
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  10. Visit  cstatic} profile page
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    In Texas the sonogram is performed the day of the procedure and is silent and without viewing the screen unless the women wants to. It verifies gestation age as well as placement of fetus (ectopic etc) and if there is more than one. Many times a woman has not been to a doctor prior to the procedure so these things have to be determined before termination of the pregnancy. Sonogram and pain meds are part of the fee, it is a package deal.
  11. Visit  33762FL} profile page
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    i've read there's been over 40 million abortions since roe vs wade in america alone. that's a genocide that rivals what happened to the jews during the holocaust!

    this is extremely offensive and demeaning to the jewish people. the people who died in the holocaust, jews and otherwise, were mothers, fathers, brothers, sisters, friends, colleagues, teachers, doctors, etc. they had personal histories, businesses, writings, inventions, relationships, etc. i am not recommending that anybody have an abortion or taking it lightly, but please don't equate a zygote the size of a dime with a thinking, breathing, feeling, person killed in the holocaust (and the same goes for peta, don't equate chickens with holocaust victims either).

    and as for contraception - it was one of the most wonderful inventions of the 20th century. the pill, iud, and other contraceptives allowed women to have careers outside the home, as they could plan and space out their pregnancies. it also allowed couples to choose the number of children they'd like to have, or if they'd like none at all. there is nothing wrong with being in a serious relationship and having sex for pleasure, as long as you use contraception consistently and take personal responsibility for it. i am married and have always used contraception, that is my husband's and my lifestyle choice that we pay for and take responsibility for.
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  12. Visit  jadelpn} profile page
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    And unless it has not been abundantly clear, pro-choice is NOT pro-abortion. Just that a woman has the right to choose what happens to her body in her circumstance. Unless you are going to take any woman's turn in repenting to her God, then stay out of her decisions.
    And yes, there can be a lot of birth control that doesn't always work 100% of the time. And as so aptly put by another poster, family planning is an extremely personal choice. Let's support women whatever their circumstance that leads them to the decisons they have the right to make, or not make. It is very disrepectful to suggest abortion is akin to the Holucast. It is disturbing that so much effort is put into the judgement of other women. (Isn't that against the Bible too??? Or is that the selective following of the Word???) I often wonder if it was men who decided that no women have the right to a safe, legal abortion attitudes would change.....oh, that's right, most of the politicians who push this agenda are men.....
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    Quote from jadelpn
    I often wonder if it was men who decided that no women have the right to a safe, legal abortion attitudes would change.....oh, that's right, most of the politicians who push this agenda are men.....


    Yeah, sure. Meet Sen. Jill Vogel, undoubtedly a man in disguise. Just wonder what all these children have to do with her... sorry, HIS "informed consent" bill.
  14. Visit  tewdles} profile page
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    I previously posted, but do not find that post...

    I believe that forcing a woman to receive an object into her vagina, against her will, with no purpose other than to affect her emotionally constitutes rape. I don't care who perpetrates it...if it is nonconsensual it is a violation of that woman's body. A female senator has no more right to force this upon me than does a male...it remains unnecessary and forced. Because there is no medical necessity for this procedure it becomes forced nonconcensual sexual contact, otherwise known as rape.

    The US Justice Department defines rape as "penetration, no matter how slight, of the vagina or anus with any body part or object, or oral penetration by a sex organ of another person, without the consent of the victim".

    Sen Vogel may choose to bear as many children as she and her husband desire, it is irrelevant to this discussion. She may consent to any and all transvaginal ultrasounds that she desires, that also is irrelevant. She may NOT force other women to accept penetration of their vagina against their will simply because her personal belief system supports or suggests it.


    Peace out and flame on...
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