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| Advertisement Sponsored Links | | | | No. 11 | 
May 24, 2009, 09:02 PM
 Re: Emergency Nurse Relief Act 2009- Update Originally Posted by misplaced1  And as if someone said this is a patient care more than a work issue I beg to differ. Nursing is not rocket science and americans are perfectly capable of doing the job.
Why disagree? Is patient care and the positive outcome not the bottom line? My argument is more hypothetical; however, I still think it is valid. Currently, I cannot find any evidence that foreign nurses improve patient outcomes. However, let's say a large double blinded peer reviewed trial concludes that Australian educated nurses lead to significantly improved outcomes in the United States? Lets even say several large trials over several years make the same conclusions? My stance is that if this were the case, then Australian nurses should be given the first pick of jobs.
Having good data and evidence is the best way to ensure jobs remain open to Americans. If we can gather evidence that supports having US nurses fill these positions, it will make defending our stance much easier. My argument is one of intelligence over emotion. Getting angry and crying about this will not help, get the evidence, make a strong case, and let the people know.
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May 24, 2009, 09:54 PM
Re: Emergency Nurse Relief Act 2009- Update Originally Posted by GilaRN Why disagree? Is patient care and the positive outcome not the bottom line? My argument is more hypothetical; however, I still think it is valid. Currently, I cannot find any evidence that foreign nurses improve patient outcomes. However, let's say a large double blinded peer reviewed trial concludes that Australian educated nurses lead to significantly improved outcomes in the United States? Lets even say several large trials over several years make the same conclusions? My stance is that if this were the case, then Australian nurses should be given the first pick of jobs.
Having good data and evidence is the best way to ensure jobs remain open to Americans. If we can gather evidence that supports having US nurses fill these positions, it will make defending our stance much easier. My argument is one of intelligence over emotion. Getting angry and crying about this will not help, get the evidence, make a strong case, and let the people know.
I would say if any country has better nursing outcomes we should adopt them. We should send American Nurses to these countries and learn what works and incorporate their standards into US nursing practice.
Point is the majority of the foreign educated nurses are coming from third world countries where nursing out comes are poor.
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May 24, 2009, 10:01 PM
Re: Emergency Nurse Relief Act 2009- Update
For the record, I just wrote to my congresspeople about this issue.
I think American patients would do better with American nurses. This means culturally, linguistically and in every other way.
There is no shortage of nurses as evidenced by the number of part timers and PRN-ers who took full time positions in our area, effectively ending the shortage (just a shortage of those who don't want to work under those conditions). Further, I agree that other countries do not allow us to nurse there unless we are essentially native speakers and only under certain circumstances and in limited numbers.
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May 24, 2009, 10:21 PM
Re: Emergency Nurse Relief Act 2009- Update Originally Posted by Alexk49 I would say if any country has better nursing outcomes we should adopt them. We should send American Nurses to these countries and learn what works and incorporate their standards into US nursing practice.
Point is the majority of the foreign educated nurses are coming from third world countries where nursing out comes are poor.
Let's see the data supporting your statement. If this is true and backed up with good evidence, you can use this evidence to your advantage.
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May 24, 2009, 11:19 PM
Re: Emergency Nurse Relief Act 2009- Update Originally Posted by misplaced1 As an american nurse most European countries wil not readily employee me. Why? Because they employ their own nurses first. So just where is it we newbie's are supposed to work? And please believe this is just the start ,it will reach the more experienced nurses also. And as if someone said this is a patient care more than a work issue I beg to differ. Nursing is not rocket science and americans are perfectly capable of doing the job.
I am new and coming to deeply regret this decision to become a nurse. It was not only a surprise to learn there was no nursing shortage and of course there is not. Clue- When there is a shortage there are plenty of JOBS and employers treat you well because they want to keep you. This "shortage" has been manufactured so that big business can once again push another career tract out of the country, this time by insourcing instead of outsourcing.
But even more exasperating in the "lay down an let the truck run over me because they told me to" attitude of so many nurses. NOT ALL so please understand I am not saying all. I have met wonderful people in nursing, wonderful nurses. But so many of them are so passive and unconconcerned with their own well being it is frightening. Do I want to join this group? I am really questioning myself. I am so sad about this. I feel like if I try to watch out for myself I will "not be a real nurse".
I have had many professional jobs, blue collar jobs before that and have never seen another group of people, much less professionals act this way. Please believe I mean no ill will. But I believe this is something that is practically undeniable. So many nurses accept abuse and that anyone that complains about it is " not a good nurse", not dedicated,,,
So, the big problems here as I see it is nurses themselves. Divided we fall and all that and nurses are the most divided group I have ever seen. No wonder so many hospitals etc are trying to replace them, besides cost, dealing with codependent people is frustrating.
I am going to try and find my place because financially I have to. It is a pity because I passed up some great offers to do a job I thought I would love. So much for being called to something. I certainly didnt take this route for money, but it might keep me there as due to the economy changing I suspect the offers I had in the past are now long gone.
I love people. But I am very disappointed.
I completely agree. I have been saying for years that the worst problem with nurses is the "martyr mary" mentality. They will not stand up for themselves, or any other nurse. I have spent countless "unit meetings", with co-workers, who just ten minutes earlier, were complaining about something, and all of a sudden, when they are facing the nurse manager, or supervisor, they are speechless.
I truly believe that the Powers that Be, work very hard to recruit nurses with this, "martyr mary" mentality. Anyone who ends up not fitting the mold, is pushed out the door. Others who remain, then are afraid to speak up becaue of what happened to, "you know who", who spoke up, and now he/she is gone.
Nurses are "socialized", in nursing school to be "good little girls and boys". Any gumption is almost beaten out of them. Along with the knowledge that there were perhaps, 100 applicants for every seat in nursing school. And you are supposed to feel "lucky" to have gotten in.
I don't know how to change things. I have seen this coming for a number of years, along with the deskilling of the nursing profession. I truly believe that the PTB, have been planning for a long time now, to bring down the nursing profession. We are the largest number of health care professionals. What we could do if we stick together. But, again, the PTB, are terrified that the nursing profession will finally rise up and take over our profession, and start to run things. THAT is what is behind all of these terror tactics.
It would be great if the NNOC and the CNA could start groups in every state to fight this. Encourage every nurse to join, and be the powerful group that we can be. If they could go into nursing schools, talk to the student nurses, and impress on them the importance of activism.
The roots of activism need to be planted in nursing school. That is where we lose nurses to become politically active. It is not taught in nursing school.
That, and becoming an Independant Contractor, (as opposed to being an employee), and forming practice groups, to hire our professional services to the hospital, and hire our own corporate attorneys to represent us. That would be ideal. Any nursing instructors who can incorporate this topic in their school curriculum? Plant the idea? If it is never introduced to the student nurses, they will never know that this possibility exists, and the situation will remain as status quo. JMHO and my NY $0.02.
Lindarn, RN, BSN, CCRN
Spokane, Washington
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May 24, 2009, 11:38 PM
Re: Emergency Nurse Relief Act 2009- Update Originally Posted by GilaRN Why disagree? Is patient care and the positive outcome not the bottom line? My argument is more hypothetical; however, I still think it is valid. Currently, I cannot find any evidence that foreign nurses improve patient outcomes. However, let's say a large double blinded peer reviewed trial concludes that Australian educated nurses lead to significantly improved outcomes in the United States? Lets even say several large trials over several years make the same conclusions? My stance is that if this were the case, then Australian nurses should be given the first pick of jobs.
Having good data and evidence is the best way to ensure jobs remain open to Americans. If we can gather evidence that supports having US nurses fill these positions, it will make defending our stance much easier. My argument is one of intelligence over emotion. Getting angry and crying about this will not help, get the evidence, make a strong case, and let the people know.
I disagree completely, if Australian nurses are getting better scores than we need to find out what they are doing differently and then teach our nurses whats lacking. It is imperative that our country hires American nurses for the survival of the country as a whole. I believe that we should not create any foreign dependence where it is not needed and as long as we have nurses here looking for jobs that who we should be hiring. Im not saying we should never hire foreign nurses. Hiring foreign nurses when there are American nurses looking for jobs increases unemployment which increases the amount of people on unemployment benefits/welfare which increases taxes and national debt. It may not be the frilly ideal "nuring school answer" but its the truth.
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May 25, 2009, 12:24 AM
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May 25, 2009 at 12:31 AM by Bronx_RN
Re: Emergency Nurse Relief Act 2009- Update
You would think that this would be an no-brainer. The economy is bad and the simple solution is to hire less foreign workers not more. Why is self-preservation such a dirty concept in this country?
Big corporations have nickled and dimed the American worker almost unto death and now they are crying because most of us can't afford to carry on with the business of consuming any longer. Healthcare employment is one of the few remaining sources of stable employment with a decent income and now it's about to taken away from us via in-sourcing.
Well I won't be able to afford to return to school to pursue another career and I'm getting to old for this nonsense anyway. I don't know what to think but I feel like a rat in a trap when I read articles like this. Originally Posted by Kristi_2003 I have to say that I am sick to death of American Jobs going to foreigners!! Americans should be considered first for a job in their OWN country! I could carry on about this subject all day but I'll keep it short, brief & to the point.... |
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